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I read about that, severe stomach pain from a fishbone that he swallowed, apparently it will dissolve

Classic

Thanks, I have a few more 1. How does the support work, is it part of a maintenance contract ?? People left to their own devices, can tend to stuff things up 2. Does Strathayr license out in each country and just become a project manager. ie growing of the turf, installation work etc 3. Had Eagle Farm been Strathayr, I presume there would have been no problems and they would have been racing there 2-3 years ago

Can we keep this thread low profile, god forbid Ted hears about it He must have already copy and pasted a telephone book off Whaleoil I suppose it keeps the traffic up on the liquorice all sorts site Might rename it Salmon Fishing in the Yemen

It's not dark anymore it's liquorice all sorted By that fella, is that the one that was predicting a Nats/Greens coalition Surely even Thomas could debate with someone who was so far off the mark

Catch 22 isn't it These people that have been charged are innocent till proven guilty They will defend their innocence in every court in the land. Meantime the integrity of the sport suffers with all the attention. This case is no different to the Cropp case, where she took it all the way to the Supreme Court and lost I remember it vividly, because at the time, she was riding the Chief Justice's horse in a big cup, and the Chief Justice, Dame Sian Elias, had to stand down from the case. The only difference with Cropp's case, at the time, the Rules of racing did not allow NZTR to suspend her license http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/279835/Racehorse-owning-judge-stands-down-from-Cropp-case

9.15 all up, just as a comparison, not that it matters, and no I didn't

If I recall correctly, this is the clause that went into the Thoroughbred rules after the Lisa Cropp case

Right then, a couple of weeks ago, with emphasis in the Messara Report on racetrack upgrades, I decided to email Strathayr and ask them if they would come on BOAY, to talk about Strathayr racetracks. Wasn't really expecting a reply, then this afternoon, I get a phone call from Bill Casimaty, who I think is the chief and guru at Strathayr. Anyway, if I haven't scared him off, he indicated he would come on BOAY, and I said I would set up a thread. Probably best just to fire away on any questions, I'll start with a few 1. Is there any reason to suggest Strathayr would not work in NZ 2. What is the updated data on abandoned race meetings on Strathayr tracks 3. What are the success stories with Strathayr around the world 4. What are the problems that have occurred around the world and why 5. Eagle Farm was a disaster, was it Strathayr, what happened and why Please note people from the NZ Racing Board and NZ Thoroughbred Racing read BOAY https://docplayer.net/65489652-The-strathayr-track-from-research-to-proven-performance-bill-g-casimaty-december-2005.html

Bill Casimaty the chief of Stathayr has agreed to come on BOAY and answer questions about Strathayr race tracks More detail to follow when I get home

7.60 to win all 4 races

Ellis only wants a synthetic track so it does not detract over Winter from him trialling and selling bloodstock to Asia and getting the best syndicated horses ready to race in Aus Great for him because that is his core business but only indirectly helps NZ racing

"What a difference the all-weather tracks will make. In the Waikato we receive about 55 inches of rain a year, with probably 70 per cent of that coming in June through to September. Checked his data 1981-2010 averages, and it is closer to 43 inches per year with 39% of it falling June through to September

"What a difference the all-weather tracks will make. In the Waikato we receive about 55 inches of rain a year, with probably 70 per cent of that coming in June through to September. The cost of having grass tracks for this period is huge. Just last week the trials for Saturday were cancelled, the races in Friday were cancelled. What is this costing owners, trainers, jockeys — the industry and the Government? A LOT OF MONEY." A wry smile after this comment from Ellis, after the Te Rapa track debacle

Editorial: Messara report on racing offers familiar answers 4 Sep, 2018 5:00am 3 minutes to read Racing industry reviewer John Messara acknowledges he is proposing the same solution recommended as long ago as 1965 by the Reid Committee and endorsed in 1970 by the McCarthy royal commission. Photo / Getty Images NZ Herald The report on the racing industry commissioned by its minister, Winston Peters, and released last Friday, is one New Zealanders have read many times before. Peters' industry reviewer, an Australian racing administrator and breeder, John Messara, acknowledges he is proposing the same solution recommended as long ago as 1965 by the Reid Committee and endorsed in 1970 by the McCarthy royal commission. Namely, that New Zealand has too many race tracks. The theory is that with fewer tracks there would be more money in the industry to improve prize money, providing better returns for the owners, breeders and trainers of race horses and giving New Zealand a stronger bloodstock industry. Yet more than 50 years after this theory was advanced, there are still nearly 50 thoroughbred racecourses in New Zealand, many of them in small towns and holding just one or two meetings a year. And they are no more willing to close now than they were 50 years ago. Messara notes that racing clubs are not the owners of the land they use and suggest these assets should be vested in racing's regulator for the benefit of the thoroughbred industry. About 20 of tracks could be sold, he suggests, generating sufficient capital to renovate the remaining racing venues, few of which are up to the standard he believes racegoers and punters expect. Maybe so, but it seems a draconian solution to impose on small racing clubs that might not be the legal owners of the land but their local community regards it as their racecourse, which is how so many have survived. They may hold only one or two meetings a year but those race days are usually big events on the town's calendar, attracting visitors from near and far. Across all New Zealand courses, the average is 6.7 meetings a year which is only one fewer than the average for Australian courses. Messara prefers a comparison with Ireland, with a similar population to New Zealand, which has half the number of courses, an average of 13.7 meetings a year on each track and a thriving thoroughbred industry. The reason New Zealand's industry is in decline, producing fewer foals each year, probably lies deeper than the number of race tracks. As Messara observes, racing has become a largely off-course betting and entertainment attraction. His most controversial suggestion is likely to be outsourcing the TAB to an international betting operator to add to the TAB's products, upgrade its technology, improve its customer services and offer New Zealand punters, "a compelling global product". An industry financed by gambling will struggle to find favour with the present Government and a foreign takeover of the TAB might not appeal to Peters, but those are not reasons to resort to public funding and additional tax breaks. Industries need to find strength within themselves for sustained success. New Zealand's breeders and trainers have a good reputation in a global industry, they should look offshore for more of the returns they need. That would wake up local clubs and the TAB. Racing should not be relying on a politician for direction. It must stand on its own four legs.

David Ellis: Like other sports racing deserves government support 12 Sep, 2018 5:00am 4 minutes to read Does this great country actually want a racing and breeding industry? Photo / Supplied NZ Herald By: David Ellis COMMENT: Last Tuesday's editorial in the Herald on the racing industry in New Zealand lacked balance.The article stated racing shouldn't rely on the government for support but must "stand on its own four legs". Is this for real? Does this editor/journalist live on the same planet as I do? Don't you think the writer should have explained to readers the hundreds of millions of dollars the racing and breeding industry has paid governments of the day in tax over the past 10 years? Wouldn't that have put at least some balance into the story? Should the writer not have mentioned the 30,000 people employed in our industry? Think just how much PAYE tax the Government collects from this — not forgetting all the GST, ACC levies (which are exorbitant) etc. Did the writer mention the export dollars our industry generates at the yearling sales? In addition to all the private overseas sales of bloodstock? Did this writer think to mention the number of people who come to New Zealand from overseas for the yearling sales at Karaka — at a time of the year when Auckland is away on holiday and the eateries, hotels etc are empty? All of these visitors put a smile on the face of cab drivers, restaurateurs, airlines, hoteliers ... Did the writer criticise the Government for gifting the Rugby Union some $38 million for the Rugby World Cup? No. Did the writer criticise the Government for gifting NZ Cricket around $24m for the Cricket World Cup? No. Perhaps the writer criticised the Government for the millions and millions gifted to various America's Cup campaigns? No. What about a criticism of the Government for tiding the America's Cup team over with a transitional $5m to give them some help? — No. Did the writer remember that the Government gave the Michael Hill golf tournament around $3m? And speaking of golf, funding for Lydia Ko. I could go on and on but before I continue, I want to add that I think the above contributions were a good use of taxpayer money to promote New Zealand. However, to deny our industry, which does so much in terms of taxation and export revenue for government coffers is blatantly wrong. The New Zealand Herald needs to ask itself one question, does this great country actually want a racing and breeding industry? If the answer is "yes" then the Government has to stop the TAKE, TAKE, TAKE and contribute something back and encourage racing to double its export earnings and to go from employing 30,000 to 50,000. The New Zealand thoroughbred has a stellar worldwide reputation and our horses punch well above their weight on the world stage. Why on earth would we not want to see that reputation grow and flourish in the interests of this country as a whole — remember the industry employs young people — and many others — vets and their staff, farriers and theirs, physios, chiropractors, equine dentists, saddlery makers, equine pharmacists — it is a massive industry that is a huge contributor to this country's economy. I take my hat off to Winston Peters — the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Racing understands that without some assistance from government, the Government and Treasury will be the losers and we will finish up being a third-world racing jurisdiction. What a difference the all-weather tracks will make. In the Waikato we receive about 55 inches of rain a year, with probably 70 per cent of that coming in June through to September. The cost of having grass tracks for this period is huge. Just last week the trials for Saturday were cancelled, the races in Friday were cancelled. What is this costing owners, trainers, jockeys — the industry and the Government? A LOT OF MONEY. Not everything in the latest Messara Report might be able to be implemented but I strongly support 90 per cent of it. This is a unique opportunity — if the industry doesn't seize it, our future is very bleak. With this support — the industry will more than "stand on its own four legs" as the editor suggested it should, it will run on them. • David Ellis is Principal of Te Akau Stud.

Racing: Move to challenge race meeting bans 13 Sep, 2018 5:00am 3 minutes to read Harness racing returns to Addington tomorrow night despite a crisis in the industry. Photo / Supplied NZ Herald High profile harness horsepeople banned from going to the races look set to challenge that today. All of the industry participants charged under Operation Inca last week, which saw several horsepeople arrested in Canterbury, were issued with race meeting bans. Although their notice of exclusion from race meetings is overseen by the Racing Integrity Unit, that role was actually secondary because most were banned from attending racing meetings under their bail conditions. But those conditions were lifted by the courts when many of those charged had their first hearings on Tuesday, meaning they are free to apply to the Racing Integrity Unit to have their exclusion notices withdrawn and be able to attend the feature Addington meeting tomorrow night. Herald sources suggest at least some of the lawyers acting on their behalf may seek for the RIU to allow them to work at race meetings until their cases are heard. New Zealand racing has little precedent for these cases. With most of those charged denying the allegations in court and the consensus being at least some are going to defend them, the cases are certain to drag into next year and potentially much longer. Some could be asking if it is fair the horsepeople involved can have a major source of income taken away while still presumed innocent but there will also be those suggesting they must stay banned for the good of the industry. That decision appears to lie with the RIU and they would not comment yesterday on the exact process to have the exclusions lifted. Often serious RIU matters go before a Judicial Control Authority panel but that looks unlikely here. The ban doesn't just apply to race meetings but to trials and workouts.

Never been a big Te Akau fan, but you have to applaud them for starting 4 very promising horses at Wingatui today, for minimal stakes. Not sure how much it will help the turnover though, as all are 1.60 - 1.80 shots

You do of course, with the liquorice all sort, muddled, merged, micro managed site. 6 months ago, dominant market leader, with just 1 small competitor. Now a competitor, with many committed posters, that has established an unshakable beach head, and goes from strength to strength each week. More threads, more posts each day, slowly but surely, people seeing the light, and wanting to engage in intelligent and stimulating debate and FUN, from lots of other racing folk, rather than being bombarded by everything and anything. Keep it up though, a few of us still visit for a daily or weekly fillip of laugher at the rank hypocrisy that pervades a once great site. Didn't the line used to be "It costs me money to provide this site, so people can have the privilege of posting their views"

Makes you forget about the ills of the industry, for a short while anyway, when you see horses win like this https://loveracing.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f201809%2f20180912MATA04_BB.mp4&i=%2fCommon%2fImage.ashx%3fw%3d720%26h%3d400%26a%3d1%26o%3d1%26bg%3deeeeee%26p%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f201809%2f20180912MATA04_BB.jpg&r=Race+4+-+NZB+INSURANCE+PEARL+SERIES+RACE&s=https://loveracing.nz/Common/SystemTemplates/Modal/Video.aspx?v=http%3a%2f%2fwww.racingreplays.co.nz%2fmedia%2f201809%2f20180912MATA04_BB.mp4

After the Lisa Cropp debacle, the rules of racing were amended to allow NZTR to do this. Much the same situation of putting the integrity of NZTR at stake

What I can't quite get, and I'm sure one of you very intelligent trot guys will oblige. Under the rules of racing, they have been charged and excluded as below, even though all vehemently claim they are not guilty, thus denying them the rights of an innocent person. The assumption therefore, is that the RIU have taken the action they have, based on the fact they have been charged and arrested by the police ??? Media Release Operation Inca - Wednesday 5 September 2018 posted Sep 4, 2018, 7:13 PM by Karin Attwood [ updated Sep 4, 2018, 7:13 PM ] The Police and Racing Integrity Unit are investigating Race Fixing in Harness Racing. As a result of the investigation to date the Police have arrested a number of persons and charged them with race fixing. In view of the serious nature of the charges the Police have laid the Racing Integrity Unit (RIU) has taken action under the Rules of Harness Racing to exclude, all those charged by the Police from entering a race course to attend race meetings, workouts and trials. The RIU has also charged those concerned with Serious Racing Offences, Rule 1001 (1) (v) (i) of the Rules of Harness Racing.

How does that work Police have charged 10 and 8 have name suppression RIU have banned all 10 from entering a racecourse, which must mean some publication of names by RIU, or how would race clubs know who to stop from entering ???