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Fair point You're not leading people on to think she will actually be singing, she can barely talk

Here is the actual wording in the report I think he is just stating, as you have, that when the money is available through strategies stated in the report, that the matrix of money will total enough across the racing calendar to effectively double stakemoney on offer "We have worked closely with NZTR on this and we propose that the following Prizemoney Matrix should apply in New Zealand as and when at least $110 million of prizemoney can realistically be funded, which should be the situation if the other recommendations in this report are adopted. ....... the proposed Prizemoney Matrix would result in an approximate doubling of New Zealand prizemoney overall, and a doubling of the returns to owners, which is absolutely required for the reasons outlined elsewhere in this Review."

Absolute classic Jess, brilliant writing, did you do that, if so, you're wasted mucking around with horses

Doppelganger

It is NZRB that has the wildly out of control costs(200 mil plus), NZTR's costs are only about 8 mil and represent about 10%

To all you Ronstadt officiandos, of which there appear to be many on BOAY, that particular live version that Curious put up, is way inferior to Carrie Underwood's, and both are inferior to the studio version In all seriousness though, why can't Love Racing(NZTR) put up a video of Weigh In each week. They have 3 video episodes of that Boys Get Paid crap. At least Weigh In is mildly informative crap

I did say almost all her songs for that very reason, a few very much unknown early in her career that she wrote

Alright let's see how authentic you supposed Ronstadt fans are Undoubtedly the finest female voice in American popular music, but almost all her songs had something in common? Can't Google this one

Okay okay back off fellas I'll put up Linda when I get home You have to admit though Carrie does a superb cover, best I've seen Michael Nesmith's version is awful and he wrote the song Go girl power

I'm just wondering, in the video section, if they can put up the video of each Weigh In episode that gets played on Trackside

Surely Greyhounds could not survive on one third of what they get now

Being objective(that was a struggle), and doing a bit of basic maths, they have had about 300 posts on threads relating to the Messara report and BOAY has had about 280, but spread over more threads and including threads as well in Harness and Dogs. As Ashley said though, the debate on BOAY has been a lot more reasoned and mature, in general of course. Many good posts on both channels. Unexpectedly I might add, that that is pretty good for the new kid on the block, don't you think?

There will be Wagering NZ

Hate to say it, but after reading all the posts, and most of the report, I think there is going to be a strong backlash to the report, based on The contentious 'land grab' Focus on thoroughbreds Focus on thoroughbreds in Hamilton/Cambridge(what is the point of a synthetic training track that will be sold in 8 years) Parochialism, lack of consideration, call it what you want against harness and dogs, even though they ride in on many of the recommendations

Surprised there has not been comment on this "Based on the recent Size and Scope Report prepared by IER in February 2018 the revenue foregone by Government would be distributed to the Codes in the following proportions:" Thoroughbred 67.2% (2018 53.7%) Harness 27.1 (29.6) Dogs 5.7 (16.7) If you run the figs, then approx 40% of the extra money to raise stakes for thoroughbreds to 100 mil comes from the change in percentages

He was quite emotional when interviewed on Trackside after Melody Belle's win yesterday, you could see he had a tear in his eye, particularly when talking about his team, who he gave all the credit to, for Melody Belle's win. His said he was just the name in the book.

The problem with the NZRB, was they were suckling so much money out with costs, there wasn't enough to go around even for stakes. One would hope that under any new regime, after the 100 mil for stakes there is also a substantial budget for R&M. Also one would hope, that Racing NZ, have a substantial budget for marketing and promotion, as this has been one of the things that has got Racing into the doldrums, not marketing to the new generations coming through

The other question to ask about sustainability is, once/if the recommendations are in place, will there be a budgetary allocation for ongoing maintenance. 15 years of 20 mil put aside for upgrades etc, instead of going on excessive costs, would have seen the facilities side of racing in a lot better shape

Hypocrisy, a case for many of these people, of run with the hares and hunt with the hounds How many of them went out on a limb and demanded previous Ministers, CEOs of RB's and NZTR use their position to bring about change. Why, they were all busy doing alright, breeding horses, trading horses, racing horses in Aus.

Definitely deserves another thread, if generating of 190 mil for upgrades to 28 tracks is the first foundation block of reform, then outsourcing is the second. I note that Messara recommends a sub Board be set up, whose only role is to progress the outsourcing I have purely looked at it in broad terms, from the viewpoint that NZRB generate 350 mil net betting revenue per year, but because their costs are over 200 mil, less than 150 mil is distributed to the 3 codes. There is a lot of cash sloshing around there, that had things been run more efficiently, it would have been available for grassroots racing So if you are looking at outsourcing then the bottom lines, whoever gets the contract, NZ racing wants a lot more than 150 mil. You would have to assume with a bigger more competitive operator, that they could easily beat NZRB's efforts, and achieve this I'm assuming of course, that with outsourcing of the TAB and devolving of racing responsibilities, the NZRB will be a very much smaller operation with a lot lower costs

Well well well, he really was welling up, talking on Trackside about Melody Belle's win with particular emphasis on his team Good on him, never really liked him before, but he hit a note today. Here's a great song for ya Jamie

I note also in the report that justification for assets being owned by NZTR is "The Clubs have only continued to exist because they have been licensed to hold race meetings by the relevant authority and on which meetings there is licensed legal betting that generates almost all their income." This is not correct is it? Profit on betting is only a small part of the income of most clubs. Profit on food, drink and hospitality packages is a big contributor. I suppose it could be argued that this could not be earned unless there was a race meeting Can of worms

Racing: Axing clubs is NOT a done deal 1 Sep, 2018 5:00am 3 minutes to read Officials from Avondale Racecourse in Auckland have been raging against the dying of the light for years. NZ Herald Thoroughbred racing bosses vowing to listen. The closure of 20 racetracks around the country suggested in the Messara report is far from a done deal. And thoroughbred racing bosses say they will listen to cases put forward by those clubs whose tracks are facing the axe. The Messara review of racing was released by Racing Minister Winston Peters on Thursday and the most emotionally jarring recommendation was the closure of 20 thoroughbred tracks to save costs and in some cases for the land to be sold to contribute to racing's future. The economics of closing at least some of New Zealand's 48 thoroughbred tracks is indisputable, the major problem being nobody wants it to be their club. Although those behind the jewel in the crown of racetrack closure, Avondale, won't officially comment on the proposed sale of their track with the money to go into industry coffers, they have raged against the dying of the light for decades so don't look likely to sell up and give up. Others such as Rotorua and Timaru, who between them have 18 meetings this season, are simply against closure and believe their local communities will be too. "We have a meeting to discuss the report, and obviously our recommended closure, next week," said Rotorua chairman Andrew Bryant. "But I am absolutely certain we will make our case to stay open. We are disappointed because we were never consulted about any of this. "And even if the about 50 per cent of the track we own outright was ever closed and sold, I am sure the local community would want that money staying in Rotorua, not going to meetings in Tauranga. "I don't think that makes long-term sense." Timaru president Noel Walker says their track is the best racing surface in the South Island and the industry wouldn't be getting any of the club's money. Although the track closures were a key recommendation of the Messara report, NZTR boss Bernard Saundry says the 20 tracks suggested are not all certain to close. "Obviously we can't survive with 48 tracks, we can't afford to run them all and I think everybody in the industry agrees on that," says Saundry. "But the minister was very open about the fact there would be room for consultation and we will listen to what clubs have to say, of course we will. "Some clubs may want to sell and then restructure and we will listen to their ideas." While Messara's list is a starting point and the majority of the tracks mooted for closure will almost certainly do so, few people at even the highest levels of New Zealand racing have yet got their heads around how the acquisition of any funds from those sales will go. The exact legal footing under which New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing can annex the proceeds from any racetracks sold was hazy to most of the dozens of industry participants the Weekend Herald spoke to yesterday. Confusing matters further, the three codes have been working together on their own future venue plan, to be released in October, and some of the tracks Messara has suggested closing were not on the code's hit list so could be saved. Chopping block The 20 tracks mooted for closure are: Dargaville, Avondale, Thames, Rotorua, Wairoa, Stratford, Hawera, Waipukurau, Woodville, Reefton, Greymouth, Hokitika, Motukarara, Timaru, Kurow, Oamaru, Waimate, Omakau, Winton and Gore.

??? Must have been quite a bit of work done on it somewhere, as they have an estimated cost of 110 mil 4. Build an exceptional new racing and training venue in the Waikato within the next 8 to 10 years at an estimated cost of at least $110 million and then close and sell the Te Rapa, Cambridge and Te Awamutu racecourses to fund the development. There would then be 27 thoroughbred venues racing in New Zealand.