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The art of buying a yearling that goes on to be a Stallion
Gammalite replied to Murray Fish's topic in Galloping Chat
The algorithms are designed by human at the moment . Fact and Opinion are common are common in daily life. especially on forums lol π even at the start of a Person's day you could say there are facts and opinions in play from the get -go. Say even about the weather (It's not raining currently ) so that's a fact , and opinion might be that it might rain later on. another example is > the traffic is heavy now as people head off to work is a Fact . a slow trip in to the city. but later on it might clear and I'll get into town a lot quicker , is just an opinion though , until it actually happens. totally BASED off previous trends. So A.I will use Past events as FACT , as they have happened already. and coming events as OPINION , with a degree of inaccuracy. The event hasn't happened yet. So a big rate of inaccuracy will always be there, based on the conditions surrounding the event being described. such as selecting a yearling to be a stallion like in this thread ?? . a near impossible Task. we all know this based on previous trends. and like Most things in the amazing Racing field , is just a matter of Opinion . Punting is a great topic for A.I to handle though Chief. You see so many people on forums that have the 'Ideal' strategy in their minds and even shout down others that approach it in a different method. It's quite funny how volatile people get about it actually π Forgetting there are lots of methods. And results are extremely VARIABLE. I copped abuse on Hesi's forum one time, for suggesting weights and barrier draws are part of the variables in your chance of winning a race. Think those blokes need some A.I to help them along a bit ππ€£ They have a lot of trouble differentiating between Fact and Opinion , just like the A.I . All you can do is go off past trends = (facts) to form future Analysis = (opinion) just like reading the form guide Chief. -
The art of buying a yearling that goes on to be a Stallion
Gammalite replied to Murray Fish's topic in Galloping Chat
Means what it says . the accuracy of the information given by the A.I source was getting near 80% in certain situations. If the algorithms used were suiting the task. Still means a LOT of inaccuracies are involved, but things are improving as time progresses. Is/Will be especially useful where you mentioned above for BOOKMAKER activity. It's a very interesting topic . The A.I use in horse racing. here's the snippet I got that from . accurate unless A.I wrote the article ππ€£π We tested several popular algorithms that are used for classification in AI and also developed our own. No algorithm was perfect; the best ones β even one we developed specifically for this task β achieved an accuracy rate of about 80%, -
The art of buying a yearling that goes on to be a Stallion
Gammalite replied to Murray Fish's topic in Galloping Chat
You guys are correct in that on-line A.I is just a developing technology . Accuracy rates have been deeply scrutinized as they gather more information and the accuracy rate on topic news articles was a rather poor 50% of articles with inaccuracies earlier this year. Of course as time passes , the Algorithms that Chief mentions are developing at a great rate and some that are Topic specific are showing data at 80% accuracy , so improvement is there. just needs more time. something is better than nothing afterall. (just like racing forums actually lol π) They'll never have the ability to predict what a yearling might do from a yearling sale though π, nor the ability ( or possible ability ) of said animal to be a racing prospect. There are WAY TOO Many variables. be a stallion ? seriously ? You best to win the Coolmore or something as a 2 year old , and then you might just scrape in as a stallion prospect. No art involved. just the human intervention on horses training will help decide it's future course. The only hope with Yearling sales is the trained eye and experience level of the observor/purchaser to get a Good race-horse of the future. and weight of numbers purchased by the one buyer of course. The more purchases by one buyer , the chance of getting a 'Race-horse' double each time. A.I might be of help in the future with selecting notable attributes/accomplishments in a horses pedigree or stuff like that, that you used to just find in the Catelogue fine print . A.I could give more expansive information on any yearling you like at some stage , so All is not bleak. It's a developing field as in all technology. quite amazing really. -
Grand Circuit Champions. NZ horses dominate this century.
Gammalite replied to Gammalite's topic in Trotting Chat
BTW . Anyone can enter this quiz π . Not just Ranga as he will push for 'domination' if he gets a roll on.π See if you can head him off before he get's the whip cracking, and get some of the answers . 12 Great horses that we are looking for that are the Champions of New Zealand and Australia. clues above. -
Leap To Fame was this week crowned The Grand Circuit Champion for the 3rd Straight year. Congratulations to him and connections. Can you Name some of the previous Champions from the Clues given below ?? post Horse number and name below and i'll try and find photo of them as we go. Good Luck !! The Grand Circuit comprises of the 7 Biggest Traditional races on the annual Calender. LEAP To FAME surprisingly Only Won one of the 7 races this year/season . The Interdominion Grand Final in July only . But got plenty of points for 2nds in the Hunter Cup , NZ Cup and Miracle Mile and the Blacks A Fake QLD championship last weekend. as well as a 3rd in the Victoria Cup. He took the points decision comfortably from his twice conqueror this season in DON HUGO ( the current Miracle Mile Champion ) Lets have a Look at the list of Grand Circuit Champions over the last 20 or so years. ( nearly All NZ or QLD horses which delights me no end lol π ) Name these winners from the Clues . name any WINNER from Horse 2 on to Horse 13 and see how you go ?. i've named the others already. Post any answer here please. ππ Horse 1/ 2025, 2024 , 2023 GC winner = Leap To Fame Horse 2/ 2022, 2021 , 2020 GC winner clue = NZ bred horse of Luke McCarthy . One of only 4 horses to win the GC on 3 occasions. Horse 3/ 2019 GC winner clue = NZ bred horse that reached open class while NZ trained. then won the Interdominion for Australia Horse 4/ 2018, 2017 GC winner clue = This fine horse not only won the GC title twice but took out 2 NZ Cups as well . Horse 5/ 2016 GC winners clue = A dead heat this year between LennyTheShark (Vic) and this NZ trained horse that won the Interdominion for MP . Horse 6/ 2015, 2014 GC winner clue = This double winner of the Grand Circuit from NZ was driven by the 'voted best driver in the world' lad from Canterbury. Horse 7/ 2013 , 2011 GC winner clue = Yet another DOUBLE GC winner , and bred in NZ as well , before becoming one of the All time greats in WA Horse 8/ 2012 GC Winner clue = NZ bred Victorian who rose to stardom , even after having the Interdominion removed from his win list via DQ. Horse 9/ 2010 GC winner clue = Another NZ megastar , who was trained in NZ and smacked the Aussies hard wherever he went. Horse 10/ 2009, 2008 GC winner clue = This Queensland wonderhorse was the best ever QLD runner before Leap To Fame. trainer went to NZ ? π Horse 11/ 2007 GC winner clue = this amazing Tasmanian became a QLDer for just $20,000 then became a NZer too, to raid NZ Cups . Horse 12/ 2006 GC Winner clue = Another Queenslander ! This horse started the McCarthy Family Rise to the TOP . the horse that did it all for John McCarthy. Horse 13/ 2005 GC Winner clue = Kiwi bred owned and trained and his big White face went on to record many victories for the North Island. Horse 14/ 2004 GC Winner = The FALCON Strike NZ bred horse wins big for the Hall's in Western Australia Horse 15/ 2003 GC winners = dead heat between Double Identity (NSW) and Young Rufus NZ , who I think was Mark Purdon's ?? Horse 16/ 2002 GC winner = Smooth Satin (NSW) Horse 17/ 2001 GC Winner = Atitagain (NSW ) NZ bred out of open class mare 'Rain Girl ' of Mitchell's Horse 18/ 2000 GC Winner = D J Holmes for NZ and Mr Barry Purdon the legend himself. Horse 19/ 1999 GC winner = the amazing superstar stallion Christian Cullen from Canterbury tales the title. and Horse 20/ 1998, 1997 double GC Winner = Our Sir Vancelot a NZ bred , triple Interdominion winner for NSW and Brian Hancock. Won't go back further as you won't remember any of them like the triple winner's Gammalite and Westburn Grant. See if you can name ANY of horses 2 through 13 on the list ? Post here any you might work out from the clues given.
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probably was the right answer Brodie. the horse undoubtedly had a change of training routine. What else can they say?? . The horse had good drivers before in Orange and that . so the driver wasn't the difference. The horse placed 4th in 1.57 MR last january as it's absolute best run ever. not that quick , but that's way faster than Oamaru win?. and finally YOU Know how respected the HOUSE team are already ?? at taking out of form horses to Manawatu for other owners and trainers , and WINNING too. so it's nothing out of the Blue that they have achieved. Weaver is no -one i've heard of so probably just a country class trainer , where-as HOUSE team can race at Metro city level at times. They are only moderate performers in town . but don't have the 'Secrets' of Allstars, Dunns and Cullen etc π€£π Wilson needed to work elsewhere to learn some tricks of the trade. (like Crystal and Harrison Orange do)
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well it doesn't really Brodster. In this case the horse did have a form improvement like you said but nothing serious. times ran was not serious at all. The Mandorian won in a slow 2.5 mile rate with a last half of 58 seconds. slower than most maidens. A recent thread on here I did showed a horse Improving 40m (about 4 seconds ) in a week. But you can still have to guess how the trainer did it. Getting the horse Bold Medley Jujon off a leading trainer in Grant Dixon. Of course JASON GRIMSON was improving old crocks , many times the past few years. Boncel Benjamin and I Cast no Shadow won the Interdominion Grand Final even ?? how ? Well there is No way a Trainer has to TELL anyone ( Even Stewards or Public ) how he trains and treats his horses. There is NO COP OUT by NOT devulging how you Prepare your horses ??π No Trainer tells others Exactly what they do or they would lose their edge. I could tell you how Barry Purdon trains, or how Jimmy won the Interdominion with Lightning Blue or how Vinnie Knight won race after race but we just Don't tell mate. these are the secrets that stay with each Stable . even as I travelled from stable to stable I didn't reveal anything from previous establishments as that is a SERIOUS BREAK in Confidential and Personal stuff. unique to each stable. and you would lose the participants respect very quickly indeed. example : Cullen shifting from Allstars to Telfers was never Gunna work , as would be impossible for him to devulge the Allstars secret to Telfer. so they didn't need him and he departed again lol π€£π€ What did you want to know ? what The Mandolonian had for breakfast ? and how fast Wilson worked it during the week ?? it didn't do much improving mate really mate . send it to Grimson 's π if you want a fast Win.
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Mark Walker tops $1m so far this Season In Victoria
Gammalite replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
While everyone is sinking the boot in on NZ racing forums (is the weather Cold there or something? ) one good thing to remember is this never before achieved achievement by a great stable to Trifecta one of the major races on the Annual Calender. This goes down to All his great staff too. The love and dedication to get these majestic horses over the jumps is a true credit to them . And Te Akau this year . here's an article on it > Te Akau trainer Mark Walker made history at Ballarat on Sunday with an unprecedented trifecta in the A$400,000 Ecycle Solutions Grand National Steeplechase (4500m). Walker saddled Leaderboard (Street Cry) for a 25-length win in the showpiece steeplechase, with The Mighty Spar (NZ) (Savabeel) second and Prismatic (NZ) (Savabeel) third. It capped an enormously special Sunday for Walker and the Te Akau Racing team, who also took three runners to Taupo and came away with three winners β Carsolio, To Bravery Born and In Haste. Former Gr.3 Wellington Cup (3200m) and Listed New Zealand St Leger (2600m) winner Leaderboard settled in second spot on Sunday for jockey Will Gordon before taking command when topweight Stern Idol began to tire. Leaderboard and the favourite Noonday Gun seemed set to fight out a tight battle to the finish, but Noonday Gun fell at the final fence and left Leaderboard to cruise to a runaway win. βI canβt really believe it,β Gordon said. βI went out there without any pressure, just riding my race, riding the horse. Going down the back the last time, I thought, βIβve still got a bit of horse here and might be in the finish.β βHeβs a legend of a horse. Everyone that rides him, or has anything to do with him, just loves and adores him. -
the Champion of Australia and NZ beats Leap To Fame again
Gammalite replied to Gammalite's topic in Trotting Chat
Still the same Newmarket . this year 'Larry' had 21 starts for 15 wins and 5 x 2nd placings. Had a Massive Clean sweep of the Interdominion in July. Last year he had the 15 wins and one 2nd from 16 starts. and didn't start in the NSW Interdominion , which was won by Don Hugo . Don Hugo going on to defeat Leap To Fame fair and square in the Miracle Mile this year in very fast time to show his quality , and also beat him last Saturday night in QLD. a very fine race-horse. Leap To Fame did beat him (Don Hugo) in your Big Slot race at Cambridge this year so got one back on him anyway. Leap To Fame is running the same race times still as last year. (very quick ones that break hearts lol π ) and yes you're right with KINGMAN , a stable-mate of Don Hugo , has improved greatly this Spring and Won the Victoria Cup and NZ Cup very well over Leap To Fame. Luke McCarthy is such a good horseman , and is the best in Australia. so that's what it takes to beat 'Larry' and has done it a few times now. Footnote : Luke drove a 25-1 shot (Encipher) to beat Leap To Fame (2nd) just over 2 years ago in Australia's richest race too . The $2,000,000 Eureka . so Luke is proving a bit of a thorn in the side of the champ at times lol π. -
John Dunn and Carter Dalgety are hands and heels above the others. They drive with a lot of aggression these days , and like the best Aussie drivers, sure aren't scared to work their horses early , and are often on the move Mid-race to apply pressure up front . Time and time again they pull off a victory with the great proactive driving. yes . sometimes they get caught out and drop away. But when you look what is happening with GOT THE CHOCOLATES and REPUBLICAN PARTY , they have developed in to 2 of the hardest to beat horses in the country , because of being driven boldly , and are winning some BIG ones. Marketplace still doing well though , and we've had discussion before about him getting beat with very cold drives , so is good to see the NZ Derby Winner driven with more 'Gusto' lately , and rightly getting the Big Derby Win .
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wow , that's a crazy bet on a 6 start maiden trotter. $5000 ? sanity is gone in NZ for some ? lol. π Best thing to do would be tell them just have $50 on like you and I would, and live without misery π€£. and just enjoy the racing lol. Must say Nathan Williamson did the same in race 3 as well. took far too long to get HILLARY up and running. She came home well but he gave it NO chance to get there. Nathan is well down on driving form lately. wouldn't touch a thing he drives. 'Hillary' is 8 year old as well. (9 next month) so is running out of time to break maidens ranks ? ππ€£π
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funny you should say that , as was thinking John Dunn races a lot of trotters . Had the very best in Sundee's Son in recent times. But nearly all of his can fly to piece's any old tick of the clock as well . not just at Addington but grass and country racing too. He has as many gallopers as any other trotting trainer so not sure the Woodend Beach is your complete answer to the problem at all. HOPE's team train there too , and don't have as many gallopers , and are trotting specialists , so there is the chance that Beach training is of some help as you say. Habibti Pat a bit erratic at times , but great Win in the trotting Derby recently. They're quite a fickle beast to train the old trotters.
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Why ? they just had race 1 and nothing happened . ( they all got over it without galloping) It does look like a quick rise and fall as you go across it though. This might not suit the trotters , where balance is important. So maybe you'll see something gallop at it in Race 2 shortly ? Don't know about soft ?? not a great description ? more likely use that for POMMIE Batsmen at the Ashes lol π but the harness horses generally race with their heads up a lot Higher than thoroughbreds Chief. Just so they can keep their pacing or trotting gait at high speed. But they are prone to spotting things out the corner of their eyes accordingly rather annoyingly at times. so > Hence the common use of blinds and shadow rolls and all sorts of head gear to keep them concentrating.
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The Galah posted some interesting China articles a little while ago . He might know what they are doing there. As a teen in the early 80's in NZ , I saw quite a few horses exported to MACAU for racing there, as well as the usual plane loads going to Aus and USA. thankfully I flew with some to Aus instead of Macau which would seem like the End of the World I imagine. and would not be about the horse racing enjoyment there. just the money. Macau harness racing folded after a time anyway and became a Big 'CASINO world Hotspot' for the mega-rich Chinese. The horse that improved 40m in this article thread, BOLD MEDLEY JUJON has made his way to NSW now, and thundered to another very easy victory last night. I wonder if he will 'flame-out' shortly though ? .
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Luke McCarthy has done it again . fresh off his crushing NZ Cup win with KINGMAN over Leap To Fame , the Master Blaster Luke has beaten LTF again tonight in the Queensland Pacing Championship . DON HUGO the 2024 Interdominion Grand Final winner , has beaten the Champ by a nose in a great race tonight. must of been near a world record for the 3 great horses fighting out the finish well clear by many lengths from the rest of the field. Don Hugo of course defeating Leap To Fame in this years Miracle Mile as well , as did Kingman in the Victoria Cup in October . Luke has mastered the great horse and beats him nearly every time now? π . You can't just keep death seating and expect to Win all the time. Some great news for you hardy BOAY yokels is that the 3rd horse tonight , just a head behind them running 3rd , is THE JANITOR . a beautiful horse who Pete McMullen has said is now ear-marked for New Zealand next year to bring a NZ CUP to Queensland , when he takes GUS back next November to defend his Dominion / NZ trotting FFA crowns. will be quite a moment for Queensland. can't see Got the Chocolates even getting near these QLD absolute beast horses π
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exactly . The Entain company (operating as Ladbrokes in Queensland ) allocates so much funding per year that is divvied-Up between the racing and harness codes at a rate that is compatable with the stakemoney being offered for the races. The Computer systems sort the funding and annual allocation in a way , to have the Best horses racing and some good feature racing as well as any lower class racing that needs the funding. this happens with other companies input as well . such as Garrards Horse and Hound that pour a significant amount of their annual profits back into all 3 codes , to sponsor bucketloads of races in both NZ and Aus. Unfortunately those like Brodie here , that forever accuse the powers that run the show of incompetent Business management ( when the racing has Never been better nor Raced for such great prizes in history) when it is all done on Computer that is smarter than them/him . just a doomsayer approach all the time instead of enjoying the racing.
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Thousands of under 35's sign up to Thoroughbred Racing!
Gammalite replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
excellent advice Chief. It's gotta be for the love of horses for sure, and not 'Win some money' interest. But there's still some that do , and would love to race a horse. Well that's what it all amounts to in the end really . My best mate bought into a thoroughbred Filly yearling with a big time Victorian syndicator. His first horse. About 6 years ago. Wanted a 20th share because at that marker you get your name in the Racebook. (up to 20 names as listed owners) . I imagine that would be the same in NZ. His horse got to start as a 2 year old as well . 17 starts for 3 wins in the end of 4 year old racing career, including a Flemington and MV win and a Group 3 3rd placing at Caulfield. Initial buy-in was $3,500 for the 20th share. and with on going fees and whatnot the prizemoney was come and gone and it was a break even venture. she was Sold off at the broodMares sale they have every year GC for 200k odd . (same where Melody Belle went ) After all the sale fees and cuts for managers/trainers and that , was just a 'break even' venture. Even though horse seemed above average. so all in all , only made money off punting it he reckoned, and feels had No say whatsoever on Where it ran , and things like that , even after writing to the Syndicator. so was put off with the minor conflicts, and is not going to race another one at any stage now.Too much of a just a lack of control with your money. might as well just have a punt. Felt he had as Much ownership as 'Just a Punt every time it starts' as you suggested . (and a ticket to the birdcage photo if it won lol.) + 3 race-win photo's on his office wall. I raced Pacers straight out ownership in the 90's ,(or had some in half shares) so could pick drivers , where they started etc. especially enjoyed prepping them myself , as ended up getting 3 mates their race driving licenses in the end , to have a bit of fun in some country races , with the slow horses. was great to have your sport as hobby work. The 'Baker' mate won a few and was pretty good. cooked a few though as well π€£ . My best man (a 'welder') was ok and helped a lot with the training , more so than race driving , where he would stick to the fence a lot π€£ . The 'Carpenter' was a dead loss. he Put the hammer down in the races far too early most of the time π and was always nailed in the home straight lol. Don't think he ever won a race actually. -
Pretty slick Green Mile . 1.55 and a bit. Gerard should give Mick Boots a ring as he will smiling after some more Big recent wins , and loves buying the NZ horses . could get $250k for her ? Esmeralda could be the TOP mare in Australasia in the right hands . and win all the Big Mares races through 2026. worth near a million dollars of races. Pushing for Auckland Cup now, and that against the boys a big ask for a 16 start horse. probably not the best idea as could flatten her a bit
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Just tuning in for the Green Mile , and see Carter has Won another race today of the championship . (no surprises there) Has he nailed the Championship then ? The Brodster will be proud if he can do it. π A great driver in 90% of his drives so hope he wins the day ok. π
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Apologies Mr Galah . I know you are a great supporter of all the levels especially the lower class horses racing, so sorry to sound as if I didn't recognize this. I think HRNZ do a good job laying on the smaller meetings , and is great the hobby trainers ( and even the major 30 stables of NZ today) get a go on the grass today for example. should be some great racing and sounds great they generate revenue too. I just assume with our local QLD harness for example, that the turnover is near zero so never have known , nor have any idea about how much is actually bet in these races. Same as for NZ. so you'll just have to excuse my ignorance on those matters. On a brighter note , Grimson is back in action with the NZ bred Hi MyNameisJeff , who thundered around Albion Park in near 1.49 to victory last night. A fantastic effort and these horses are just EYE-Popping amazing. The Next NEW ZEALAND Cup winner ( you heard it here a year out) THE JANITOR death seating to a narrow 2nd for Pete McMullen. This horse will be a Super star , nearly as good as Leap To Fame. shame about the poor name π. they rattled along in 26 seconds for both the last 2 quarters . Absolutely Jet engine flying. I've never seen such amazing animals. They left last years Interdominion winner ( and the current Miracle Mile Champion) Luke mcCarthy's DON HUGO 4 lengths behind in 3rd/4th photo. that shows how good The Janitor really is. Wait till he hits NZ shores. You thought GUS was good. This bloke is gunna Blow your socks off. ππ
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Great driving by Monika. Showing all her great trotter driving with Donna's Boy blasting them away. Great for the Northerners !! The Chch Local Brodster Pin-uP boy Carter D, driving the perfect race on 'Harriet' getting 2nd too. On to the grass on Sunday will get them sorted out a bit . Both Pacer heats so the girls lose the trotter advantage. Should of just run the GREEN TROTTERS MILE as the junior drivers event. Would of been a good one to see the youngsters go in ππ Muscle Mountain would of been a good drive to get lol.
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Well you think Carter would Lap the youngsters after All his USA, Aus and Group 1 Experience. He is off to a good start too , winning a Cambridge race yesterday. Looks like Monika Ranger and Emily Johnson are pushing him hard for the North Island. and both drive well on trotters too. Two in form trotters coming up in Race 7 Addington tonight, have been drawn by them too. Hope the young ladies run the Quinella and give Carter something to chase . Carter is on Champion trotter trainer Phil Williamson horse too. so could get in the road of the Northern girls who won't know Addington too well. If Carter Dalgety can get Harriots Moment home he will have a Very handy lead , so let's see if he can do it.
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did a lot of laps there. Magnificent place was old ParKlands. reclaimed by the State government to build Athletes village for the 2018 Commonwealth games . 2 weeks of sports that killed off decades of the traditional Gold Coast trotting. a real tragedy really. think students rent the accomadation now while attending a nearby campus. It may of well been if you say so, but the televised events and Group racing is the PRIDE of the Sport. I appreciate that you and Brodie like some here at BOAY like the traditional stuff and see it's importance. that's very good. But as you say the focus is on those that pour the money into the sport. I mentioned a few names above. these guys will keep it going . Not owner trainers. We have the owner trainers and Very small team trainers with very slow horses racing at this VERY minute at Redcliffe. The SPORT would/could survive without them Mr Galah. BUT > We are lucky to have Entain /Ladbrokes that still put on this cheap 'Bush' racing for the hobby enthusiasts at Redcliffe and Marburg , that get nothing when they go to town. no horses fast enough. They're ALL with the Millionaire Owners and Trainers as is Exactly the case in New Zealand. You could just have city centre racing for the Rich and the classy? . (best owners, horses, trainers and drivers) If we didn't put on these 'Grass roots racing ' and it stopped . no one would barely notice as far as Punters go. You guys have been calling for Cambridge to stop .you're probably right and It probably will at some stage. like Hutt Park and Forbury with the changing times. I've seen Manawatu bagged relentlessly as well . you guys are the sports enthusiasts and still don't like it ? lol. sound like thoroughbred blokes half the time that always talk like that too. you are so lucky HRNZ doesn't close it and keep the few going , by offering some races and prizemoney still. for your grass roots participants. and they run great Sires and Group racing all year round. bloody great stuff really βΊοΈ but you still say they (HRNZ) allocate All wrong the funding for owners and races ? . No they Don''t is my answer. I've listed Plenty of reasons listed on this thread.
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exactly . that's society in general. It panders to the rich. Horse racing is dominated by Millionaires like a Lot of other sports. You know this. My thinking is not flawed . It's the reality. Harness racing is great because it does Put on a PRODUCT that ALL can have a go at if they're good enough. UNFORTUNATELY with the Depth of Talent in Trainers and Drivers in Australian and New Zealand Harness racing ( the best in the world) the small guy is NOT going to get any of the Big money off these blokes. The NZ Cup Trifecta of Luke McCarthy , and Grant Dixon , and Barry Purdon have been doing this stuff since the day they were Born almost. They are best on the planet. (same for Pete McMullen winning the trots, the Butts, Dunns , Dalgety'sand Jones . The Small guy will NEVER beat them. So you support these guys (that are the best in the world. ) By Putting races on for them , and Sires Stakes to support the breeders. Who breed the horses the Owners of these stables buy . (nearly All millionaire owners because that's the way it is and they get a foot in the door with their money. Every ALLstar's owner for example. It's so obvious HRNZ MUST support these guys by having rich races for them to put the best in the land in. We're running a Group race this Saturday night at Albion Park . Only the Best will be in it. (horse , driver, and trainer) The rest of the everyday folk will just paddles around Redcliffe, Oamaru, Mildura Gore and that with little attention and little prizemoney. always been the way. I used to race Rocklea against Grant Dixon and the Rasmussens every Saturday afternoon. we raced for $500 mate. it's just a hobby bit of fun for the small bloke. People that get their horses running SUB 1.55. well that takes skill . And they deserve the Money . And they get it. So my Thinking is not flawed . It's WHAT is ACTUALLY Happening in Aus and NZ. you are the One Criticising it and dreaming of the 'Level Playing field for All'. Mate, the 2 year old Sires Stakes and Jewels racing indeed gives the 'Battler a Even Chance ' to get some. Say JUMAL for Reid and next tier level driver winning a few is an example. excellent program. been going years. BUT you hate the 2 year olds getting Big money too, so with your flawed thinking , it's just Problem after problem lol. I think you've lost a grip on why and What actually happens so just blame people doing their Jobs ? ( the HRNZ and Entain) π€ I do appreciate you have an excellent grasp on driving tactics and , race outcomes and stewards etc though ππ