Brodie

Galah, have read about this awful behaviour bt the Chinese snd Mongolians previously! I am sure you are probably correct about what is hsppening! what would the owners be getting for their mares, it cant be too much or the buyers would just need to buy hacks wouldn't they? Think people should be more concerned with this practice than the use of the whip on harness horse?

I believe that the 2 drivers in question just lack the ability to be a successful driver. You can see why the top drivers like Blair Orange, John and Dexter Dunn, Herlihy, Carter etc. just have more nous than the poor drivers. They have more up top and the desire to actually do well rather than just jumping in the cart and seeing what happens. It is very frustrating when you offload and you nave no control over what the driver does out on the track!!!! As I say there needs to be change so that the punters have some confidence or they will drop out. Absolutely pointless owning a horse and putting on drivers if they are going to sit at the back and run home! Put them in the race or let someone professional drive them!!!!

Before offloading on them, I knew they were both below average in driving ability! However in small fields it was hard to see either of them out of the first 3 placing unless they drove poorly! Yep they both drove poorly. Punters invest with the TAB on good faith and should be able to expect that drivers have a modicum of respect for this. the owners pay the large training bills and also should expect the driver to do best to win $ for them! It doesn’t actually do a lot for the harness racing industry when these poorer drivers are out on the track being so timid that they give their horse absolutely no chance of winning for the punter and owner. Start fining these ones who are just passengers in the cart and they will change their way of driving! Harming the industry

I am not going to name them, but if I was the owners of the 2 horses that I off loaded on, both drivers should not be on them again! That isnt going go happen with these horses, however I believe that both should be fined more-so than Colin de fillippi who has been fined many times for trying too hard to win. If they started handling out fines for these poor drives, it might damn well make them try harder! The TAB would be happy if Brodie stopped investing with them, but if these drivers are going to continue to drive poorly and not put their horse into the race till too late, then he may do!

Had a couple of goes on what I considered to be certainties to run in the money!!! Only problem is that they both were extremely poorly driven! Yes I know that you take your chances when you back anyone but the good drivers! However in small fields and stakes of $15k you would think the drivers would have enough intellect to put the horse in the race, and not flash home too late?? Yes talking through my wallet however it is pathetic that the Stipes will accept this as acceptable! You can see why some drivers get outside drives snd others dont!

The problem is though that it is currently far too expensive to have a horse trained compared to stake money that you can win, unless you are one of the few in the top echelon! Yes owners get a great thrill when they win a race, but then again most of the owners nowadays are past mid age without a doubt. It is very difficult to attract people to ownership when it is costing probably in excess of $3k per month have a horse in full work, with a top trainer! Syndication by several people is greatly appreciated but seriously it is only a drop in the bucket really! There is no one answer as to how to stop the decline, but to have new participants into harness racing, we need to get them to attend oncourse! Highly doubt training fees will ever come down, and can not see how stake money is going to increase as turnover needs to be increased! Entain are trying to improve things which is great obviously but there needs to be change to TAB policies.

Yes the Stallion fees are ludicrously high to make breeding financially viable unless you have the top mares to breed from! All the other costs as you say associated and then you are very lucky if you break even racing them! The number if people breeding horses in the future is only going go drop unfortunately. People dont breed from our colonial stallions as they are not commercially attractive if you want to sell them overseas.

That Girl, you are obviously associated with Bloke? This is a forum to enable people to post their thoughts! There is a problem at the moment with many New Zealand citizens in that they believed every word and action that Labour Losers enforced on them! I have realised just how easily led so many people are and need to be controlled unfortunately. The other thing is that the country has never been so divided and this has been caused by the looney left ideas, and these actions by Ardern and Robertson have set the country back decades. There is this element of discontent from the people who are not as well off financially as others and they do not think this is fair!!! So they want the people who are more financially better off to give them their wealth! Well there is a reason that most people who are financially well off, and that is that they deserve to be, they work harder, make better choices and dont continually moan about how unfair everything is!!! To be fair Ardern and her cohort Labour loonies policies and actions actually made the wealthy better off and the ones who are not so wealthy, poorer by their actions!!!

Very alarming running a two horse race a Addington for any reason! Think there is something very fishy with the scratchings today in that first race? why wouldnt you line up a horse to run 3rd for the stake money??? Surely the horses were ready to race or they would nkt nave been nominated and left in the field? Looks like they were nominated so that a race had to take place and scoop the stake money?

Bloke, going by your name you obviously are a bit unsure of your sexuality!! If you think I am racist then that is an opinion you can hold! What I do know is that the TPM party is the biggest bunch of racists that is possible! They stated that they are superior to the NZ europeans and if that is not racist, the what is? They want preferential treatment for everything at the expense of every other citizen in NZ. Maori have had mega billions gifted to them over the years and still have their hands out, and it needs to stop! If speaking the truth hurts you BLOKE, then so be it!

The reverse rascism in NZ is repugnant. Firstly to have a Maori Party and its BS is appalling and should be outlawed! It is a true racist party and what the members including the tattooed face says is abhorrent! But we are not allowed to say anything against them or we are racist white honkies!!! The problem is that for 6 horrible years in NZ history while the Lefty Losers were in power and controlling NEW ZEALAND there was this continued MAORIDOM promoted in so many way which was totally wrong! With respect most do not want to learn the Maori language as it is just an absolute waste of time as it is not a used language around the world. If you want to learn it then do so, but do not ram it down our throats. The issue is now that the Coalition in power at the moment are righting the wrongs that Labour pushed on to us, and the Maori do not like it. We are a small country and just can not afford the privileges that Maori are afforded currently in NZ! Do not consider myself racist at all, but just totally over the crap that NZ citizens have been pushed on to them giving preferential treated to Maori. We are one country but Liebour’s actions for the last 6 hears set us back decades!

Wasnt necessarily questioning Geddes’s ability to be out on the track driving! He is not a nil driver, he obviously enjoys being out there and we still need the owner/ trainers in the industry big time! Had Sods Law been driven by a pro during its career it possibly may have been retired earlier? The current system allows horses to win a lot if races if it has a lot of starts, and many are doing this. Not putting Mr Geddes down, but he would be getting outside drives if owners thought he could do the job! Anyway, great to see stalwarts get good results.

Back on, work to be done!

Still offline, the important parts of HRNZ ! Apparently they are not available for maintenance? Not what they said yesterday lol

Sods Law originally was a grass tracker and couldnt win on the all weather tracks! The horse always had ability but was more often than not driven less than averagely, as I supported it on many occasions. Had some good collects but also had some good losses due to the way it was driven. Sods Law is clearly in a great vein of form and this has been due to the sudden change of driver and the way it is being driven! The Geddes’s are apparently nice down to earth people and have been in the harness racing game for many decades, and great to see them with success. We do actually need the part time trainers in the industry to keep it going, and most do it for the fun of it rather than the money! What I do know is if the trainer jumps back in the cart, the winning will stop!

There is a reason for the winning form! Wonder if the change of driver has something to do with it? There are many horses that would turn their form around if they had a change of driver!

Then they have no bloody WIFI! Power outage my xXXX!! Must be the only place in CHCh with no power!

Yep. It has been out for hours. Supposed power outage according to the web site. They do not want punters doing their homework, they want you betting blind

Galah, I have seen many articles and videos on what Ardern and Co forced citizens of NZ to have injected into their bodies. Pure evil and yes the consequences of peoples health is shocking! Many people who were forced or voluntarily allowed them to be jabbed, just do nkt want to hear the truth, and I suppose I can understand that. I havent heard of anyone keen to have toxins injected into them again, but they have another couple of new VACCINES for covid available now FFS!!! Biden says IT IS FREE, WHY WOULDNT YOU GET IT??? LOL Free arsenic injections, WHY WOULDNT YOU GET IT IN? IT IS FREE!!

No doubt it possible to do it on self service machines. Not possible to do many bets on the machines including Top 4! Betting options like Head to Heads when they rarely have them on harness also are a waste of time cos they bring them out so late now. Seriously there appears to be a lack of intelligence with a lot of the TAb’s decisions and unfortunately that is going to continue the decline in the TAB for racing. Entain bought in so it had control of sports betting and other Options.

Was Besse Scott trained by someone Petit from AshVegas?

All Punters being treated equally allowed to take up the fixed odds offered and for a reasonable amount! They are Bookies after all arent they, and if they arent prepared to take the good with the bad, when they have the monopoly in NZ, then get out of the business!

Advertising for a new CEO at the moment for harness Nz! Whoever it becomes has surely got their work cut out? Double award winner, Nigel Armstrong/harness unhinged is doing the most active promotion for harness racing in Nz, and he is UNPAID??????????

Why do they continue to hsve Auckland compete with Addington on the same night? There is only so many $ to be spent on the one night! most punters are going to be investing on Addington rather than the Auckland oroduct that isnt that inspiring!

Are they actually paying $140k for a maiden winner? $300k for a 3 year old winner of a couple? Sounds a bit high TAB? If thats the case no wonder owners selling