Newmarket Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 As per normal, he starts personal abuse. Badger has made some good points. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakama Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 12 hours ago, CrossCodes said: He should be more concerned about Consensus, poor old mare past her best being sent around making up numbers. Jesus....don't abuse his horses...last time I said his nz cup hope was a battler...he went right off...even sent me personal abusive messages....like I cared. Happy New Year LJM. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakama Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: Good to see What A Post ask the question of p4p, he is not sucked in. Sadly, Jack Sprat has been sucked in by the BS. Of course drivers do their homework on rival drivers, horses and stables, we all know that. But to have drivers texting each other to see who is keen to hold the front, or who wants to drop back?? FFS, if it is not race fixing what is it? You have 2 favoured front runners both drawn well, yet you know one is going back at the start, which one would the punters want to hop on??? Its dishonest whichever way you look at it, no ifs and buts. Small minority are gaining huge advantage, while rest of honest drivers, trainers, owners and punters are getting screwed!! Only molloy could see nothing wrong in this scenario, its a disgrace, been going on for ever, so now lets draw a line in the sand and charge a few Could not agree more... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I see nothing has changed over there, and the reason why anyone with a modicum of sensibility and self respect left the site. Same old, okay for one particular person to abuse all and sundry, as soon as those people hit back, we get this supercilious, condescending post about playing the ball not the man, or whatever. Come over here fella's, you can debate till your hearts content, without fear of school teacher mico management 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 37 minutes ago, hesi said: Come over here fella's Come on what a post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Come on what a post. Always thought What A Post had some great thoughts, Jack Sprat and Kilcoyne too, who knows, they may be on here posting under different name. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Oh dear, how funny is this. So we are getting personal over here?? You are hilarious Scoobs, once again you are defending your mate, do you tell him off for his nasty posts? Nope, you just change his reply to What A Post, to make it look like nice. In the past couple of months, i have not even bothered with rc, until p4p started on this. Only reason i wanted to copy here is for future reference. Gonna be fun Edited January 3, 2019 by Newmarket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 3/01/2019 at 2:34 AM, CrossCodes said: He should be more concerned about Consensus, poor old mare past her best being sent around making up numbers. She is past her best alright, Consensus died in 2009 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 18 hours ago, Newmarket said: Good to see What A Post ask the question of p4p, he is not sucked in. Sadly, Jack Sprat has been sucked in by the BS. Of course drivers do their homework on rival drivers, horses and stables, we all know that. But to have drivers texting each other to see who is keen to hold the front, or who wants to drop back?? FFS, if it is not race fixing what is it? You have 2 favoured front runners both drawn well, yet you know one is going back at the start, which one would the punters want to hop on??? Its dishonest whichever way you look at it, no ifs and buts. Small minority are gaining huge advantage, while rest of honest drivers, trainers, owners and punters are getting screwed!! Only molloy could see nothing wrong in this scenario, its a disgrace, been going on for ever, so now lets draw a line in the sand and charge a few I always thought of race fixing as 2 or more drivers colluding to bring about a certain result by helping one particular runner to win while impeding the chances of other runners, for financial gain. While drivers texting or calling each other to discuss tactics to gain an advantage for their horse may be dishonest, it is not the same thing as trying to arrange a pre determined result. Drivers are primarily required to drive in a manner that gives their horse the chance to obtain the best possible placing they can achieve. In traditional race fixing this does not happen, where as discussing tactics,( while it may be dishonest) at least the drivers involved are still doing their best to be competitive and win the race. Traditional race fixing therefore is a far more serious offence in my opinion compared to the latter example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It is going to be a very interesting time to see what actually eventuates! Personally don’t think that there will be many of any disqualified from racing as I don’t see any race fixing having occurred! Yes there will some that will get a suspension and a warning but from what I have gathered nothing untoward has really happened! If these charges are so damn bad then how come the RIU haven’t stepped in with all of their power and done something? Look they hammered an AMATEUR driver with a 7 month suspension for supposedly not giving his horse every opportunity which is an absolute crock! So for race fixing they sit on their hands and leave it to the police who have no idea about racing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 It is going to be a very interesting time to see what actually eventuates! Personally don’t think that there will be many of any disqualified from racing as I don’t see any race fixing having occurred! Yes there will some that will get a suspension and a warning but from what I have gathered nothing untoward has really happened! If these charges are so damn bad then how come the RIU haven’t stepped in with all of their power and done something? Look they hammered an AMATEUR driver with a 7 month suspension for supposedly not giving his horse every opportunity which is an absolute crock! So for race fixing they sit on their hands and leave it to the police who have no idea about racing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 31 minutes ago, Brodie said: If these charges are so damn bad then how come the RIU haven’t stepped in with all of their power and done something? Are you suggesting the RIU should superceed the police investigation and court proceedings with there own proceedings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: Are you suggesting the RIU should superceed the police investigation and court proceedings with there own proceedings? The reality is that the RIU didn't have sufficient evidence to justify the JCA suspending license holders. That is they tried their own proceedings and fell short. Some on forums have argued that the police are keeping their powder dry. Which seems surprising when an amateur bush lawyer is spouting off that he has read 200 pages of evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: Are you suggesting the RIU should superceed the police investigation and court proceedings with there own proceedings? he has very little idea and his comments should be taken with a grain of salt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 22 minutes ago, Rangatira said: he has very little idea and his comments should be taken with a grain of salt Ranga, if there is all this evidence of race fixing then how come they are still allowed to ply their trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Brodie said: Ranga, if there is all this evidence of race fixing then how come they are still allowed to ply their trade? the right to the presumption of innocence springs to mind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rangatira said: the right to the presumption of innocence springs to mind Then why did the RIU try and fail to suspend the licensees based on the evidence they had? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 28 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The reality is that the RIU didn't have sufficient evidence to justify the JCA suspending license holders. That is they tried their own proceedings and fell short. Some on forums have argued that the police are keeping their powder dry. Which seems surprising when an amateur bush lawyer is spouting off that he has read 200 pages of evidence. If he is representing the accused, he would have access to the 200 pages concerning those he is involved with. The RIU had to involve the Police, that was the only way the Inca situation exsists to this day, because the police had the authority to look into bank accounts, texts, calls, emails, overseas accounts etc. If the RIU didnt act, we would still have drivers fixing races, thats what it is. If one driver knows that another is not trying, that is dishonest, its cheating and yes it is race fixing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Then why did the RIU try and fail to suspend the licensees based on the evidence they had? Just normal proceadure, while RIU started investigation, it is now Police investigation, so while Molloy is wanking on how he can save those on charges, he is dreaming. No difference to 2 opening bowlers, texting each other, one reckons he may bowl a few easy balls, do you think a few runs may be scored in first few overs?? Dishonest, Cheating, Fixing, call it what you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Then why did the RIU try and fail to suspend the licensees based on the evidence they had? when this broke their ability to go on a racecourse was taken away but after a period of time X and Y via a hearing got the right to go back on course. it naturally followed that all can go back on course. Edited January 4, 2019 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rangatira said: when this broke their ability to go on a racecourse was taken away but after a period of time X and Y via a hearing got the right to go back on course. it naturally followed that all can go back on course. Look if there was sufficient evidence against the accused, the so-called Racing Integrity Unit should’ve had the ability or power to keep them off racecourses! Reality is that there was a hearing and the ability and it was overturned! Mountain out of a molehill and it is costing the taxpayer, accused and harness NZ big time financially and bad publicity! Sooner it is over the better, and by people saying that they are all guilty of race fixing is not helpful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Look if there was sufficient evidence against the accused, the so-called Racing Integrity Unit should’ve had the ability or power to keep them off racecourses! Reality is that there was a hearing and the ability and it was overturned! Mountain out of a molehill and it is costing the taxpayer, accused and harness NZ big time financially and bad publicity! Sooner it is over the better, and by people saying that they are all guilty of race fixing is not helpful! at anytime prior to sept 04 did you notice you were being followed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Look if there was sufficient evidence against the accused, the so-called Racing Integrity Unit should’ve had the ability or power to keep them off racecourses! Reality is that there was a hearing and the ability and it was overturned! Mountain out of a molehill and it is costing the taxpayer, accused and harness NZ big time financially and bad publicity! Sooner it is over the better, and by people saying that they are all guilty of race fixing is not helpful! If anyone works for an employer, which the RIU was, and you involve the police what happens. Well, your employer has to suspend you on full pay, or let you still work until court proceadures are completed. So RIU didnt want to suspend, also would be liable if some not charged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Rangatira said: at anytime prior to sept 04 did you notice you were being followed Yes I did notice a few hot ladies following Brodie! One wasn’t you Ranga? Edited January 4, 2019 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, Newmarket said: If anyone works for an employer, which the RIU was, and you involve the police what happens. Well, your employer has to suspend you on full pay, or let you still work until court proceadures are completed. So RIU didnt want to suspend, also would be liable if some not charged. You saying that the RIU employ the trainers and drivers but don’t actually pay them? Surely it is illegal by the RIU ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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