Chief Stipe Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 7:34 PM, JJ Flash said: . I posted earlier that my sources were multiple ex owners of the stable. The news is stable closed under somewhat of a cloud and potential investigations may occur Expand Brilliant so the fact is you were conveying you knew more than the rest of us but in fact you know SFA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 6:09 PM, Chief Stipe said: You go first after all you stated first there was more to it and you have "respectable sources" even if they do use the "bush telegraph". Expand Yes if what ex owners are hearing is true re missing funds. This drew the comment below. Once again you only ask me questions not other s On 23/11/2020 at 6:20 AM, Blossom lady said: All I will say is if the allegations I’ve been hearing are true then he should get life!! Expand If convicted i agree. BTW , love the Dark Side comment , I'm sure Scoobie is ok with it . Are you allowed to post on there or are you banned like a few on here On 23/11/2020 at 6:16 PM, Happy Sunrise said: Still waiting for you to say what you heard. Expand See above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 7:43 PM, JJ Flash said: Yes if what ex owners are hearing is true re missing funds. This drew the comment below. Once again you only ask me questions not other s Expand Geez it's like drawing teeth! Any more detail? On 23/11/2020 at 7:43 PM, JJ Flash said: If convicted i agree. BTW , love the Dark Side comment , I'm sure Scoobie is ok with it . Are you allowed to post on there or are you banned like a few on here Expand Why don't you post it here? Or do you prefer your own echo chamber? I assure you I'm not banned from any forum and those that are tend to wear that as a badge of honour. I choose where I want to post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 7:42 PM, Chief Stipe said: Brilliant so the fact is you were conveying you knew more than the rest of us but in fact you know SFA! Expand I do know a lot more but why bother posting it here when you attack everything i post. One question leads to another and so on .Your the expert know it all on here and everywhere else , you tell us Im amazed given your history that you took so long to start your usual questions after i post something or have you been too busy studying TAB accounts for 19/20 season that were tabled in Parliament last week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 7:46 PM, Chief Stipe said: Geez it's like drawing teeth! Any more detail? Expand Not for you On 23/11/2020 at 7:46 PM, Chief Stipe said: I assure you I'm not banned from any forum and those that are tend to wear that as a badge of honour. I choose where I want to post. Expand That was addressed to Blossum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 7:49 PM, JJ Flash said: I do know a lot more but why bother posting it here when you attack everything i post. One question leads to another and so on .Your the expert know it all on here and everywhere else , you tell us Expand Oh now you know something.....we've all seen that before. On 23/11/2020 at 7:49 PM, JJ Flash said: Im amazed given your history that you took so long to start your usual questions after i post something or have you been too busy studying TAB accounts for 19/20 season that were tabled in Parliament last week. Expand I don't have time for works of fiction! Of course you don't post your erudite cogent analysis of the financials because you know you will be torn to shreds! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 7:49 PM, JJ Flash said: I do know a lot more Expand a know all?????? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 7:49 PM, JJ Flash said: I do know a lot more but why bother posting it here when you attack everything i post. One question leads to another and so on .Your the expert know it all on here and everywhere else , you tell us Im amazed given your history that you took so long to start your usual questions after i post something or have you been too busy studying TAB accounts for 19/20 season that were tabled in Parliament last week. Expand I won't attack you JJ. I'm still curious. Maybe now more curious. Mental health, sickness/health-wise or needs a break then I take the - let them heal and let it be route. Heading down another track and I'm interested in the details. The factual details. I guess if nothing comes out on here, maybe something might come out elsewhere at a later date ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 7:34 PM, JJ Flash said: The news is stable closed under somewhat of a cloud and potential investigations may occur Expand So you are not free to say what the 'cloud' is on a website like this as it is not appropriate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 8:48 PM, hunterthepunter said: a know all?????? Expand unsure about all knows and see's much much more than this fella 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 9:11 PM, Happy Sunrise said: So you are not free to say what the 'cloud' is on a website like this as it is not appropriate? Expand Regardless of what is going on re Mitch this unfolded 5 days ago and as you've mentioned nothing from harness media I can find.... This Kid is/was one of the best conditioners and produced some super quick horses in the last few years, he's not a bloke with only 5 horses like Dennis the Menace but a full time industry participant with a large stable/property/staff/investors etc and from a betting point of view a decent punting stable ... So where are these harness media blokes and do they care or are they told to ignore certain lines of stories. Matt Markham Mick Guerin Dave Di Somma Andrew Fitzgerald Garrick Knight Barry Lichter Jonny Turner Joshua Smith Most of them are on Twitter and are very selective on what they comment on and this topic is no different. No wonder punters lose confidence in this industry, too much secret squirrel stuff goes on but it all stems from the top, they turn a blind eye to nearly everything and just hope the tough issues just fade away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) On 23/11/2020 at 9:11 PM, Happy Sunrise said: So you are not free to say what the 'cloud' is on a website like this as it is not appropriate? Expand Yes. If i had PM function would be more than happy to tell you what 2 sets of owners have told me. As this may go further im not going to speculate on any forum as to its potential outcome. A bit like INCA they are all innocent until proven guilty in my book Edited November 23, 2020 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 9:39 PM, Dougie said: Regardless of what is going on re Mitch this unfolded 5 days ago and as you've mentioned nothing from harness media I can find.... This Kid is/was one of the best conditioners and produced some super quick horses in the last few years, he's not a bloke with only 5 horses like Dennis the Menace but a full time industry participant with a large stable/property/staff/investors etc and from a betting point of view a decent punting stable ... So where are these harness media blokes and do they care or are they told to ignore certain lines of stories. Matt Markham Mick Guerin Dave Di Somma Andrew Fitzgerald Garrick Knight Barry Lichter Jonny Turner Joshua Smith Most of them are on Twitter and are very selective on what they comment on and this topic is no different. No wonder punters lose confidence in this industry, too much secret squirrel stuff goes on but it all stems from the top, they turn a blind eye to nearly everything and just hope the tough issues just fade away. Expand Great post, especially the last part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 9:53 PM, JJ Flash said: Yes. If i had PM function would be more than happy to tell you what 2 sets of owners have told me. As this may go further im not going to speculate on any forum as to its potential outcome. A bit like INCA they are all innocent until proven guilty in my book Expand FFS what are you actually smoking? Happy to spread information in private messages using this forum but not post publicly what you know. Which means one of two things - you actually know nothing or what you think you know wouldn't stand up to scrutiny. As for INCA - have you found anyone guilty yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 9:54 PM, JJ Flash said: Great post, especially the last part Expand But you, who apparently knows more than the rest of us, is happy to be a "secret squirrel". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) On 23/11/2020 at 9:53 PM, JJ Flash said: Yes. If i had PM function would be more than happy to tell you what 2 sets of owners have told me. Expand no pm function seems rather odd probably just a temporary glitch in a well oiled chat site Edited November 23, 2020 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 10:09 PM, Rangatira said: no pm function seems rather odd probably just a temporary glitch in a well oiled chat site Expand Nope JJ lost his privilege of using PM. That happened when I was informed that he was actively promoting and trying to encourage posters to move to another site and making derogatory comments. The PM function isn't a right nor is removing it a conflict with the principle of free speech. Now he will say that is hypocrisy on my part as I condoned it when others did it when moving here. That is not correct either. Not only did I not have the power to stop people I didn't condone or encourage it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 (edited) On 23/11/2020 at 10:15 PM, Chief Stipe said: Nope JJ lost his privilege of using PM. That happened when I was informed that he was actively promoting and trying to encourage posters to move to another site and making derogatory comments. The PM function isn't a right nor is removing it a conflict with the principle of free speech. Expand will he be out of the naughty corner by the days end ? seems he has some goss to privately share yours etc rangatira parker Edited November 23, 2020 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 10:20 PM, Rangatira said: will he be out of the naughty corner by the days end ? seems he has some goss to privately share yours etc rangatira parker Expand Nope. If he does indeed have "goss to share" he can share it publicly. Otherwise it is just gossip. Harness racing seems to be very good at bringing down its own. If he is sure of his "sources" and what "he knows" then he should share it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 To get back on topic. This case is disturbing. If true it is another step closer to the graveyard for harness racing. Sad but true. I think it would be fairly easy to con someone into buying and paying training fees for a non-existent horse if the owner was naive about racing or living overseas. Why does a young fella like this do something like this? Has he had it too good? Perhaps, he frequents dodgy circles. It's madness how the hell did he think he was going to get away with it forever? These are just my random thoughts and I am not accusing anyone of any criminal intent. If allegations true, or worse, it will damage harness racing irreparably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 10:31 PM, Davis said: To get back on topic. Expand well done double dee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 10:31 PM, Davis said: To get back on topic. This case is disturbing. If true it is another step closer to the graveyard for harness racing. Sad but true. I think it would be fairly easy to con someone into buying and paying training fees for a non-existent horse if the owner was naive about racing or living overseas. Why does a young fella like this do something like this? Has he had it too good? Perhaps, he frequents dodgy circles. It's madness how the hell did he think he was going to get away with it forever? These are just my random thoughts and I am not accusing anyone of any criminal intent. If allegations true, or worse, it will damage harness racing irreparably. Expand Exactly, between him and former stable driver/foreman Matt Anderson many many questions need to be asked........ the need to do the above requires intent to deceive and lets be honest if you're doing something a little dodgy and getting away with it you go again and again and again and more than likely try and find another sucker to do it to as well. Imagine the owners in some of the syndicate's of his horses, could potentially be dozens or hundreds of them, they'll get the shits with the industry and get out but telling their mates how corrupt the harness game is and so on and so and so on..... until word of mouth and mud sticking talk equates to 1000s of potential harness racing owners or punters are wiped out, all the while the suits sit back with crossed fingers that they'll still have a nice job and perks without even caring they haven't got off their ass to clean up the public perception of the business. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodlum Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 10:31 PM, Davis said: These are just my random thoughts and I am not accusing anyone of any criminal intent. If allegations true, or worse, it will damage harness racing irreparably. Expand Hang on a bit it happens in the other codes too. Lesson one: never ever be an absentee owner if you own a horse. If you don't see it physically from time to time then I'd question why you were in the game. Lesson two: Most horse trainers, if not all, are traders. Especially in NZ as that's the only way they can stay afloat. If you accept that then you will view your ownership differently. Now with those lessons in mind you'll notice a whole lot of other rorts. For example and this is a Thoroughbred one - the Pre-Trainer fees vs the Trainer fees. I was at the trials with a couple of friends and we were watching one of their horse's. "How long has your horse been at the Trainer's?" "About 5 weeks - why?" "Well how come it hasn't been groomed like the trainers others - tail and mane cut etc?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 10:47 PM, Dougie said: Exactly, between him and former stable driver/foreman Matt Anderson many many questions need to be asked........ the need to do the above requires intent to deceive and lets be honest if you're doing something a little dodgy and getting away with it you go again and again and again and more than likely try and find another sucker to do it to as well. Imagine the owners in some of the syndicate's of his horses, could potentially be dozens or hundreds of them, they'll get the shits with the industry and get out but telling their mates how corrupt the harness game is and so on and so and so on..... until word of mouth and mud sticking talk equates to 1000s of potential harness racing owners or punters are wiped out, all the while the suits sit back with crossed fingers that they'll still have a nice job and perks without even caring they haven't got off their ass to clean up the public perception of the business. Expand Van Beynen of the press will be sharping his pencil for another hit job on Harness Racing. The sport he loathes and is determined to bring down. All Stars gone, now this... harness has a bleak future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 11:40 PM, Davis said: Van Beynen of the press will be sharping his pencil for another hit job on Harness Racing. The sport he loathes and is determined to bring down. Expand van beynen hardly on the money with inca 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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