Newmarket Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Well, we have all heard about the dodgy trainers, but let us name all the good guys. You know, the ones that are honest, the ones that must get pissed running against the cheats. THIS THREADS FOR THE GOOD GUYS !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Amber Hoffman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 Terry May Dean Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Well, we have all heard about the dodgy trainers, but let us name all the good guys. You know, the ones that are honest, the ones that must get pissed running against the cheats. THIS THREADS FOR THE GOOD GUYS !! Mark Purdon and Nat, Robert Dunn and John, Cran D... and anyone else that was having to compete against the convicted cheat Nigel McGrath? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Tim jellyman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 muzz edmonds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Mark Purdon and Nat, Robert Dunn and John, Cran D... and anyone else that was having to compete against the convicted cheat Nigel McGrath? Not a good example, trying to find trainers that have not been charged with anything, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Amber Hoffman Leif Erikson disqualified 2012, seems trainers said horse eating poppies! Owners not happy, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Not a good example, trying to find trainers that have not been charged with anything, Perhaps you should have defined your criteria a bit better. I would consider the first criteria of a "good" trainer was one who trained winners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Leif Erikson disqualified 2012, seems trainers said horse eating poppies! Owners not happy, Full details please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Leif Erikson disqualified 2012, seems trainers said horse eating poppies! Owners not happy, The link to the JCA determination - just so readers can make their own mind up. It should be mentioned also that poppy's were located growing on the property by the Racecourse Inspector (Barry Kitto) and it was he that proffered the defence for the morphine positive. http://jca.org.nz/non-race-day-hearings/non-raceday-inquiry-riu-v-gj-anderson-and-al-hoffman-26-february-2013-decision-dated-5-march-2013/?searchterm=amber hoffman leif e* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Well, we have all heard about the dodgy trainers, but let us name all the good guys. You know, the ones that are honest, the ones that must get pissed running against the cheats. THIS THREADS FOR THE GOOD GUYS !! Mate you can downvote me if you want above, for answering your question , just because you do not agree, I'm saying disqualified Trainers are your 'dodgey' ones , my list up above you want to downvote, is of your Champion Ones , who by definition are the GOOD GUYS who lead the premiership tables . so more than good guys they are the CHAMPIONS. !!! and they are honest professional horsemen (and women) hardly deserving of demeaning with not being honest. AND just as likely as Anyone else, they could be pissed off running against convicted cheats like McGrath. ANYWAY I think they are all GOOD GUYS IMO , so get Downvoting (everyone doesn't have to have your opinion) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share Posted February 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Mate you can downvote me if you want above, for answering your question , just because you do not agree, I'm saying disqualified Trainers are your 'dodgey' ones , my list up above you want to downvote, is of your Champion Ones , who by definition are the GOOD GUYS who lead the premiership tables . so more than good guys they are the CHAMPIONS. !!! and they are honest professional horsemen (and women) hardly deserving of demeaning with not being honest. AND just as likely as Anyone else, they could be pissed off running against convicted cheats like McGrath. ANYWAY I think they are all GOOD GUYS IMO , so get Downvoting (everyone doesn't have to have your opinion) Ok, Ok, I want a list of NZ trainers that have never been charged for anything that results in a disqualification of a horse, licence, or fined, due to one of the many substances we have heard about over the years. It is not about those at the top of the Premiership tables, we know the history of those mentioned. This is all about the guys that have escaped all that, they should take a bow, must be hard to sit back while others gain an edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, Newmarket said: I want a list of NZ trainers that have never been charged for anything that results in a disqualification of a horse, licence, or fined, due to one of the many substances we have heard about over the years. So that unfairly discounts Amber Hoffman? Actually I guess it doesn't because morphine from poppy's isn't one of the "many substances we have heard about over the years." It would help if you listed those substances that we have heard about. TC02, Cobalt, ....um anything else? 20 minutes ago, Newmarket said: This is all about the guys that have escaped all that, they should take a bow, must be hard to sit back while others gain an edge. Why? They could be smart enough to not get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 I am biased and will say it again. They live not far from me but I vote the Williamsons. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Don’t know much history or past previous disqualifications, a guess who would not resort to unlawful tactics. K Marshall please correct me if I have guessed wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Karrots said: Don’t know much history or past previous disqualifications, a guess who would not resort to unlawful tactics. K Marshall please correct me if I have guessed wrong. Karrots I wouldn't bother playing this game with Newmarket. The implication from the Topic Title is that those name in the thread are the "Honest Trainers" and therefore those that aren't are the "Dishonest Trainers". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Karrots I wouldn't bother playing this game with Newmarket. The implication from the Topic Title is that those name in the thread are the "Honest Trainers" and therefore those that aren't are the "Dishonest Trainers". Ok, no guessing games for Karrots today, was lining up another guess too. Maybe we could do another selections game sometime in not to distant future. I see they deciding whether to have Alex on Fri or postpone. That would of been a good 1 to do with all the Group races. What and see what happens, then maybe selections game 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 39 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Ok, Ok, I want a list of NZ trainers that have never been charged for anything that results in a disqualification of a horse, licence, or fined, due to one of the many substances we have heard about over the years. It is not about those at the top of the Premiership tables, we know the history of those mentioned. This is all about the guys that have escaped all that, they should take a bow, must be hard to sit back while others gain an edge. Fair enough, I did see the Dunn's copped a fine and had 3-4 horses disqualified for Caffiene at Nelson in 2018. They swear they were nobbled so guess that takes them off your list for honesty. Why everyone thinks these large operations like ALLSTARS, DUNN's and TE AKAU , etc, are 'risking' Positives , is a bit of mystery to me. More likely NOT TO BE in my opinion, great set-ups ,pre-racing training, great riders/drivers, farriers , vets, STOCK and Horseman and women. and a huge operation to look after. Is FAR MORE LIKELY for someone on your Battlers list to 'Try something dodgy" to KEEP up , if you ask me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Jason teaz , Micky mouse ,sunny jacobs and blossom lady in her day was not bad hard to beat in the lady drivers racers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Gerard O'Reilly Alister Black Amber Hoffman B. Shirley Brett Gray Nathan Williamson Clark Barron... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: (Barry Kitto) blast from the past that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsfan Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 Hopes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Gammalite said: Fair enough, I did see the Dunn's copped a fine and had 3-4 horses disqualified for Caffiene at Nelson in 2018. They swear they were nobbled so guess that takes them off your list for honesty. Why everyone thinks these large operations like ALLSTARS, DUNN's and TE AKAU , etc, are 'risking' Positives , is a bit of mystery to me. More likely NOT TO BE in my opinion, great set-ups ,pre-racing training, great riders/drivers, farriers , vets, STOCK and Horseman and women. and a huge operation to look after. Is FAR MORE LIKELY for someone on your Battlers list to 'Try something dodgy" to KEEP up , if you ask me. Where's the evidence to support your theory that a battler trainer is far more likely to try something dodgy than the trainers on your list? Name a couple of battlers with similar records relating to positives to those you have mentioned on the harness side? I don't see why you have singled out Mcgrath when the dunn,dalgety and the all stars stables have had just as many issues. Doesn't matter who they are,i don't believe anyone would give their horses something that they thought would return a positive if tested. You put the trainers you have mentioned as being better than others,fair enough.No arguement there from me.. But why do you think for some reason they are not ahead of the game when it comes to the use of performance enhancers that will not show up in testing. Thats are very selective approach. Edited February 28, 2021 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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