Mr riddle Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Cullen keeping the tradition going on premier night and separating the men from the boys 👏🏻 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr riddle said: Cullen keeping the tradition going on premier night and separating the men from the boys 👏🏻 why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr riddle Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 5 wins 6 placings next best dunns 2 wins with a few placings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Mr riddle said: Cullen keeping the tradition going on premier night and separating the men from the boys 👏🏻 Reality is that it is not Cullen alone is it! Nothing has changed, Purdon/Rasmussen stablehands lol. Amazing how the horses grow an extra leg when they are around! Just saying!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 27 minutes ago, Brodie said: Amazing how the horses grow an extra leg when they are around! FFS what is it with you and @the galah regarding losing and gaining legs? Purdon and Rasmussen always said they would be around to drive on the money days. Not coincidental that the horses are also trained to the minute for those days. Seems ideal to me. Sleep in, don't have to work any horses, no gear to clean and then a leisurely drive to the races. Then do a Maurie Holmes putting on the gloves and being handed the reins in the birdcage. Hell don't even have to get wet hosing them down after the race or have to take the gear off Bliss! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 don't believe half of what you read 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: FFS what is it with you and @the galah regarding losing and gaining legs? Purdon and Rasmussen always said they would be around to drive on the money days. Not coincidental that the horses are also trained to the minute for those days. Seems ideal to me. Sleep in, don't have to work any horses, no gear to clean and then a leisurely drive to the races. Then do a Maurie Holmes putting on the gloves and being handed the reins in the birdcage. Hell don't even have to get wet hosing them down after the race or have to take the gear off Bliss! Chief, just stating the facts! The horses do go a lot better when the professional stablehands are in Chch. Hopefully Cullen is paying them at least the new minimum hourly rate of $20 as they are worth it! Nothing has really changed and most know that Chief! If they wanted a break then why on earth are they still in circulation working in the cold etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 51 minutes ago, Brodie said: If they wanted a break then why on earth are they still in circulation working in the cold etc. If you were a Harness enthusiast and an expert race driver who actually liked the race day thrill of winning why wouldn't you pitch up for some drives on the best horses in circulation? Plus not have the responsibility of training, gearing or dunging out? I'm sure the Driver's fees and stakes % more than compensates them. Natalie last night picked up $680 in drivers fees and 5% of $130,000 in stakes which is $6,500 for a grand total of: $7,200. Not a bad night at the office - not as good as your punting Brodie but geez I'd put on an extra merino vest and another pair of gloves to go round in the cold for $7,200. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 WOW look at the improvement in UDR in a week. @the galah will be rapidly refreshing his analytics spreadsheet! Gone from 0.4060 to 0.4198 in a week. Statistics are funny things aren't they Galah? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Reality is that it is not Cullen alone is it! Nothing has changed, Purdon/Rasmussen stablehands lol. Amazing how the horses grow an extra leg when they are around! Just saying!! The reality is that Natalie Rasmussen is fantastic driver and she is worth a couple of lengths as horses generally keep going for her. Imagine how the Spitfire would go with Miss Rasmussen in the sulky mate! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Brodie said: Reality is that it is not Cullen alone is it! Nothing has changed, Purdon/Rasmussen stablehands lol. Amazing how the horses grow an extra leg when they are around! Just saying!! and a beautiful thing it is too!! don't wish it away Brodster, as that would be like wishing the AllBlacks didn't play anymore. If you're just too good for the opponents, Then You're Just TOO GOOD !!! lol.... just ask Jacinda. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Not a bad night at the office - not as good as your punting Brodie but geez I'd put on an extra merino vest and another pair of gloves to go round in the cold for $7,200. and Mark Purdon OWNS a big chunk of the 2 year old winner AKUTA last night (along with the Cullens synd) . First prize was $100,000 !! maybe Mark will retire to the luxury lounge of Superstar owners, since he was suspended last night, and just let Blair and Nat bring home the bacon each week? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: WOW look at the improvement in UDR in a week. @the galah will be rapidly refreshing his analytics spreadsheet! Gone from 0.4060 to 0.4198 in a week. Statistics are funny things aren't they Galah? Like i've said ,if you cant see the drop off in how they run in comparison from a couple of years ago then in my opinion that makes you are poor judge. Last night changed nothing in my opinion.They still will be using and paying top dollars for their vets. Don't underestimate how much that can help a horse "peak",but thats available to everyone else if they have the money. I personally didn't see them grow a leg last night on recent performances.There was improvement,but i put that down to the driving ability of rasmussen.Her ability to rate her horses at a consistent speed and make the moves at the right time is exceptional,and if anything i think the other drivers seem to almost concede their tactical positions almost as if its inevitable,which sometimes is rather meek. I've said,and still believe that Cullen has shown he is not far behind purdon/rasmussen,just doesn't use all the tools in the tool box that were being used a couple of years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, the galah said: I personally didn't see them grow a leg last night on recent performances.There was improvement,but i put that down to the driving ability of rasmussen.Her ability to rate her horses at a consistent speed and make the moves at the right time is exceptional,and if anything i think the other drivers seem to almost concede their tactical positions almost as if its inevitable,which sometimes is rather meek. Right so when they improve it is only because of the driver they use. Who happens to be the same driver that they have used in past seasons. 25 minutes ago, the galah said: I've said,and still believe that Cullen has shown he is not far behind purdon/rasmussen,just doesn't use all the tools in the tool box that were being used a couple of years ago. What are the other tools? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 23 minutes ago, the galah said: Like i've said ,if you cant see the drop off in how they run in comparison from a couple of years ago then in my opinion that makes you are poor judge. Last night changed nothing in my opinion They are going exceptional now, NZ Cup and Auckland Cup , that 2yearold Akura last night, Bettor TWIST ?? brilliant. I'm Not a Poor judge , and just to see who was racing 2 years ago Premier night , Let's seeeee That Nevele R 3 year old won by Belle of Montana (hey that's the one from QLD owner!) Allstars Only 2nd and 3rd with Kayla and Tiffany) Oscar B DID win the trot (he was 2nd last night) and Ashley Locaz won the fast class, from Alta Orlando ( 2 Gammalite fav's ,what rippers Ashley and Orlando(Dunns horse now at McCarthys) are!!! try their guts out ) American Pride PULLED UP in that 2 year old trot feature (won by Dunn's last night) 2 years ago. Cullen has AP winning now???? lol.....won Thurs at Auck. yeah yeah needed time blah blah and FOUR favourites ALL BEATEN !!!in support races as well !! the Moonshadow, Dina Bolt, Kings Landing, and Only Me ??? Seems Cullen has improved the Strike Rate significantly from 2 years ago !!! no poor judging by Chief at all .???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Seems Cullen has improved the Strike Rate significantly from 2 years ago !!! Gammalite has 'Gone the early crow ' Galah . you may/must be better than a crow.!!! The week 'after' Premier night 2 years ago . NZ OAKS 150k Princess Tiffany and Kayla Marie 1st and 2nd (Belle of Montana for Barry only 3rd) SIRES STAKES 2yearolds Allstars trifecta :One Change, Flyingeven bettor,Virgil, in colts. SIRES STAKES 2yearolds Allstars win with Amazing Dream ,in fillies. Sires stakes trot 2 yearold Tailored Elegance 1st for Allstars, and yeeeeees one got beaten !!! Cheerful ! was cheerfully beaten in the 3yearold sires stakes trot. But 4 Massive Wins for Allstars 2 years ago !! Will you settle for a draw with the poor Judging ??? hehehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Right so when they improve it is only because of the driver they use. Who happens to be the same driver that they have used in past seasons. What are the other tools? Its not sinking in what i have said. The horses that ran last night are not the same ones that ran2,3,4,5 years ago. Rasmussen has not been driving until recently. How about you go ask her why?? One thing that i know,punters can rate the horses on ablilty,but drivers are a factor.N rasmussen is much better than m purdon and heaps better than say o thornley.Another example is b hope seems to have great success with trotters,but several pacers he gets off improve when the likes of john dunn drives them. Another example was a race just run at winton. Some of those horses had won 3-8 races,yet they only ran the mile in 1.59.8. I could have run faster until the 400m.Only s tomlinson moved up where as the likes of s ottley(who is driving very negatively in recent weeks) and t nally(who seems to lack any judgment of pace, sat at the back. Had n rasmussen driven them they run 2nd,instead of 2nd last. So drivers are a factor,but i've been comparing how the horses run now,to how they ran forever 2-5 years ago. I think we are going in circles. Same thing,different day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, the galah said: Rasmussen has not been driving until recently. How about you go ask her why?? She took a publicly announced break. So no need to ask her. 7 minutes ago, the galah said: The horses that ran last night are not the same ones that ran2,3,4,5 years ago. Precisely. Now we are getting somewhere at last. So you cannot say that the Purdon/Cullen stable is doing worse than a couple of seasons ago by measuring UDR alone unless you adjust for a number of factors. If you do that you will find that my assertion that they aren't doing worse than a couple of seasons or indeed their average season would hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: She took a publicly announced break. So no need to ask her. Precisely. Now we are getting somewhere at last. So you cannot say that the Purdon/Cullen stable is doing worse than a couple of seasons ago by measuring UDR alone unless you adjust for a number of factors. If you do that you will find that my assertion that they aren't doing worse than a couple of seasons or indeed their average season would hold up. How about i end this by saying i agree purdon,rasmussen or cullen or whoever the all stars may be at the time get their horses to perform to the best of their ability. I don't accept what the likes of m guerin says when he says purdon or rasmussen spending a few days with the horses leading into the big races improves their performance. Guerin makes it out to be a big thing,but i don't believe just their presence changes anything. Maybe guerin actually thinks that,or has convinved himself that,but i don't believe that driving a couple of fast works makes much difference,when you already had the likes of tim williams driving them in work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 18 hours ago, Mr riddle said: Cullen keeping the tradition going on premier night and separating the men from the boys 👏🏻 And it is so boring. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Davis said: The reality is that Natalie Rasmussen is fantastic driver and she is worth a couple of lengths as horses generally keep going for her. Imagine how the Spitfire would go with Miss Rasmussen in the sulky mate! Nat doesnt tend to drive on the grass too much so do not think The Spitfire would go that flash for her on the all weather tracks! Edited May 15, 2021 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 29 minutes ago, Ludwig said: And it is so boring. yawn. really should we feel like watching a NZ gallop or dog race instead.? yawn. Some of the best racing in the world and you're bored. A total Natalie master driving class . should be applauded. Lazarus and Adore Me some of the greatest performances ever seen on harness racing tracks ever.. How can anyone be bored. Mr riddle is right and great to see the tradition continue with amazing performances these days as well. Did you see that BETTOR TWIST performance? pure pacing power. and driver judgement . fantastic. I take it you meant Allstars and not just bored on Premier night lol... Cullen doing good job? why knock him ? Bored with winning . lol.... Actually the ROWE Cup was boring recently, as the best horse (defending champion Sundee's Son, was given a absolute 'Gift' barrier one , instead of the traditional handicap that race used to have), so rivals had NO CHANCE. so that sort of made it boring in a way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Ludwig said: And it is so boring. Excellent racing today at Winton. Good honest heartland racing, with wins being shared by different stables and drivers. Just how I like it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Ludwig said: Excellent racing today at Winton. Good honest heartland racing, with wins being shared by different stables and drivers. Just how I like it. sounds boring ! lol (just kidding) , not being FEATURE racing or anything. (like run of the mill Brisbane harness racing lol) although the Gallops are high class in Brisbane today. no sign of kiwi's like Rough Habit these days though. kiwis must of got bored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 9 hours ago, Davis said: The reality is that Natalie Rasmussen is fantastic driver and she is worth a couple of lengths as horses generally keep going for her. Imagine how the Spitfire would go with Miss Rasmussen in the sulky mate! What has happened to the spitfire? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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