Freda Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Joe - as a former rider - and Reefton, as an administrator of much experience, must have seen a myriad of stewards reports. Were they as chock full of incidents as they are now? Leaving out the silly mistake about Kin and his vet cert, I'm astounded at all the horses that misbehave at the barrier, feel 'indifferent ' in their action, 'lay in' ( or out ) ...and the grammar there pisses me off but that's just me being pedantic....run up on to the heels of...causing a check, overrace, were unsuited by the track conditions/ corners/the muddling pace....ffs are there any horses that just jump out and gallop around without hanging, pulling, or hating the track ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 15, 2022 Author Share Posted October 15, 2022 To add, I never used to read them, years ago, but have to wonder if they contained as much drivel as now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 I think they are so bored shitless it's just to pass the time away. You reckon.? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Joe Bloggs said: I think they are so bored shitless it's just to pass the time away. You reckon.? Justifying their wage probably. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 Just now, Doomed said: Justifying their wage probably. If there paid by performance what would you pay them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 They're ....sorry, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Freda said: Joe - as a former rider - and Reefton, as an administrator of much experience, must have seen a myriad of stewards reports. Were they as chock full of incidents as they are now? Leaving out the silly mistake about Kin and his vet cert, I'm astounded at all the horses that misbehave at the barrier, feel 'indifferent ' in their action, 'lay in' ( or out ) ...and the grammar there pisses me off but that's just me being pedantic....run up on to the heels of...causing a check, overrace, were unsuited by the track conditions/ corners/the muddling pace....ffs are there any horses that just jump out and gallop around without hanging, pulling, or hating the track ? I read both meeting reports last night and was struck by how many jocks of all levels of experience are still getting done for excessive use of the whip , slow learners some of them , or all by the looks . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted October 15, 2022 Share Posted October 15, 2022 I don't know much about them really but I do note that on the big days they tend to be more 'comprehensive' than on the minor. Perhaps because there are more stipes on duty so more has to be done to justify their existence? Couple of little ditties though - on one of the few times I did the raceday secretarial work myself (most of the time I had one Michael O'Brien to do that job) after each race you had to wait for the stipes to check the placings sheet and sign it off before it became official. That isn't the dividend bearing placings which were usually signed off immediately correct weight was declared and protest time over but the sheet detailing finishing order and distance from the winner. Usually took 15 minutes but after the last race when they had 150 miles to drive home miraculously it only took about 2 minutes. And then there was the time though misunderstanding that we ended up without a typist for the stipes room. I had to call up my wife who was planning a social day. She regaled me with a story of a jockey friend of ours, considered a bit of an angel throughout his career, smirking at her as he attempted to extract himself from a charge with a line of bullshit. She found her day in the stipes room to be rather amusing. And once again becuase they had a long way to travel home the report was short, sweet and signed off very promptly. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Reefton said: I don't know much about them really but I do note that on the big days they tend to be more 'comprehensive' than on the minor. Perhaps because there are more stipes on duty so more has to be done to justify their existence? Couple of little ditties though - on one of the few times I did the raceday secretarial work myself (most of the time I had one Michael O'Brien to do that job) after each race you had to wait for the stipes to check the placings sheet and sign it off before it became official. That isn't the dividend bearing placings which were usually signed off immediately correct weight was declared and protest time over but the sheet detailing finishing order and distance from the winner. Usually took 15 minutes but after the last race when they had 150 miles to drive home miraculously it only took about 2 minutes. And then there was the time though misunderstanding that we ended up without a typist for the stipes room. I had to call up my wife who was planning a social day. She regaled me with a story of a jockey friend of ours, considered a bit of an angel throughout his career, smirking at her as he attempted to extract himself from a charge with a line of bullshit. She found her day in the stipes room to be rather amusing. And once again becuase they had a long way to travel home the report was short, sweet and signed off very promptly. So bush justice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So bush justice? Stupid question. Same jockeys, same stipes, same set of rules. The same thing would happen at Riccarton or Ellerslie. It was well known that there were some extremely talented judicial room operators(Lance O'Sullivan being an obvious example) and some less talented. There is a BOAY poster who was very sharp in the enquiry room in his day. Doubt there was 'bush' justice. There may well have been swift justice. And God knows the entire country could do with some swift justice at times. Besides which I never said the guy got off. I have no recollection whether he did or not but it was clearly a minor incident and an amusing sequel for Diane an outsider and not used to the environment that is. Though of course she had met the likes of Kevin William Morton and heard the tales of shenanigans these jockeys got up to. Fairly harmless stuff and it certainly wasn't a carve up like the race at Hastings on Saturday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 Carve up indeed. Even years ago, there were instances of top jocks seemingly 'getting away' with stuff that lesser riders just wouldn't have. But I can't recall anything quite as blatant as Opie's transgression at Hastings. And it's not the first time. He nearly extermjnated a young Gosen Jagoo by doing almost exactly the same. Competitive riding, it was called. Another couple of 'ditties; that former partner of mine got pinged for something he clearly didn't do. I was righteously indignant. That's not fair. Appeal! I said, full of importance. Those stipes don't know what they're looking at. He listened to me for a bit, then said, ah, no worries, they got me this time, but they missed the last dozen they didn't see. Fair cop, he added. And another; A little horse we had won at Westport, on a very wet track, by a margin of some six or more lengths. After returning to this side of the hill, and being given plenty of time to recover from his trip, he lined up at Riccarton a pretty warm favourite. As it happened, he was one of the first beaten and was allowed to coast home a long way back. Into the room went his rider, facing the old 'not running on his merits' charge. After a lot of talk, accusation and finally being told ' you've pulled him up ' exasperation set in and the stipes on the day were given an old-fashioned dose of reality. If I had pulled him up, you clowns, do you think I would have drawn attention to the fact by letting him drop out? He's obviously not right. We'll get him checked by the vet. And - by the way, when I do pull a horse up, you'll never know. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 So as we reminisce once again of the good old days perhaps we should get back to the here and now..... The RIB is out of control cost wise and contrary to the expectations set when the structure was proposed the level of adjudication has got worse not better. I wonder where they are going to find the funding shortfall of millions of dollars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 Suspended Riders: Craig Grylls | From close of racing Sunday 23 October to close of racing Sunday 30 October Sam Spratt | From close of racing Saturday 22 October to close of racing Sunday 30 October Lily Sutherland | From close of racing Saturday 22 October to close of racing Friday 28 October Tayla Mitchell | From close of racing Wednesday 19 October to close of racing Friday 28 October Opie Bosson | From close of racing Saturday 29 October to close of racing Friday 9 December Kate Hercock | From close of racing Sunday 23 October to close of racing Friday 28 October Lynsey Satherley | From close of racing Wednesday 19 October to close of racing Friday 21 October Crystal Lindsay | From close of racing Sunday 16 October to close of racing Sunday 23 October Wiremu Pinn | From close of racing Saturday 22 October to close of racing Friday 28 October Rahul Beemud | From close of racing Friday 21 October to close of racing Sunday 30 October Courtney Barnes | From close of racing Saturday 1 October to close of racing Saturday 29 October Megan Taylor | From close of racing Saturday 15 October to close of racing Saturday 22 October Niranjan Parmar | From close of racing Saturday 8 October to close of racing Wednesday 19 October Sam Weatherley | From close of racing Saturday 1 October to close of racing Saturday 3 December Callum Jones | From close of racing Saturday 27 August to close of racing Saturday 27 March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 18 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Suspended Riders: Craig Grylls | From close of racing Sunday 23 October to close of racing Sunday 30 October Sam Spratt | From close of racing Saturday 22 October to close of racing Sunday 30 October Lily Sutherland | From close of racing Saturday 22 October to close of racing Friday 28 October Tayla Mitchell | From close of racing Wednesday 19 October to close of racing Friday 28 October Opie Bosson | From close of racing Saturday 29 October to close of racing Friday 9 December Kate Hercock | From close of racing Sunday 23 October to close of racing Friday 28 October Lynsey Satherley | From close of racing Wednesday 19 October to close of racing Friday 21 October Crystal Lindsay | From close of racing Sunday 16 October to close of racing Sunday 23 October Wiremu Pinn | From close of racing Saturday 22 October to close of racing Friday 28 October Rahul Beemud | From close of racing Friday 21 October to close of racing Sunday 30 October Courtney Barnes | From close of racing Saturday 1 October to close of racing Saturday 29 October Megan Taylor | From close of racing Saturday 15 October to close of racing Saturday 22 October Niranjan Parmar | From close of racing Saturday 8 October to close of racing Wednesday 19 October Sam Weatherley | From close of racing Saturday 1 October to close of racing Saturday 3 December Callum Jones | From close of racing Saturday 27 August to close of racing Saturday 27 March That's enough for a whole race. Perhaps there could be a race just for suspended jockeys. Bit like an amateur race, no riding fees or percentages. Perhaps all wear the same coloured prison like silks, with different coloured caps. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted October 16, 2022 Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So as we reminisce once again of the good old days perhaps we should get back to the here and now..... The RIB is out of control cost wise and contrary to the expectations set when the structure was proposed the level of adjudication has got worse not better. I wonder where they are going to find the funding shortfall of millions of dollars. its all the stakeholders fault 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So as we reminisce once again of the good old days perhaps we should get back to the here and now..... The RIB is out of control cost wise and contrary to the expectations set when the structure was proposed the level of adjudication has got worse not better. I wonder where they are going to find the funding shortfall of millions of dollars. We learn from history, Chief. To look forward, you must have an understanding and appreciation of matters from bygone days. Never think the past has nothing to teach us . 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 16, 2022 Author Share Posted October 16, 2022 Besides, it was fun then. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 17/10/2022 at 5:41 AM, Freda said: Carve up indeed. Even years ago, there were instances of top jocks seemingly 'getting away' with stuff that lesser riders just wouldn't have. But I can't recall anything quite as blatant as Opie's transgression at Hastings. And it's not the first time. He nearly extermjnated a young Gosen Jagoo by doing almost exactly the same. Competitive riding, it was called. Another couple of 'ditties; that former partner of mine got pinged for something he clearly didn't do. I was righteously indignant. That's not fair. Appeal! I said, full of importance. Those stipes don't know what they're looking at. He listened to me for a bit, then said, ah, no worries, they got me this time, but they missed the last dozen they didn't see. Fair cop, he added. And another; A little horse we had won at Westport, on a very wet track, by a margin of some six or more lengths. After returning to this side of the hill, and being given plenty of time to recover from his trip, he lined up at Riccarton a pretty warm favourite. As it happened, he was one of the first beaten and was allowed to coast home a long way back. Into the room went his rider, facing the old 'not running on his merits' charge. After a lot of talk, accusation and finally being told ' you've pulled him up ' exasperation set in and the stipes on the day were given an old-fashioned dose of reality. If I had pulled him up, you clowns, do you think I would have drawn attention to the fact by letting him drop out? He's obviously not right. We'll get him checked by the vet. And - by the way, when I do pull a horse up, you'll never know. I thought you said it was little girls and dark skinned riders causing the carnage? You have no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: I thought you said it was little girls and dark skinned riders causing the carnage? You have no idea Don't be so bloody precious. Clearly Pam would have a bloody sight more idea than most. This turned into a bit of a reminiscing thread and you have to try to stir up shiite. Take a deep breath and forget about it Besides which the people being referred to on this, given their records, were well and truly proven to be safe operators. Had they not been. they would have got their arses booted(in some cases literally) by stipendary stewards, apprentice masters and senior riders of the time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Aren't the penalties set already for rider indiscretions regardless of the degree of carnage created? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 17/10/2022 at 7:01 AM, Chief Stipe said: So as we reminisce once again of the good old days perhaps we should get back to the here and now..... The RIB is out of control cost wise and contrary to the expectations set when the structure was proposed the level of adjudication has got worse not better. I wonder where they are going to find the funding shortfall of millions of dollars. The good ole days, the best ole days I reckon, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Aren't the penalties set already for rider indiscretions regardless of the degree of carnage created? Yes. Starting point 1 month for careless riding causing a fall. Pretty consistent with Oz and elsewhere. One might argue that the Opie incident was verging on reckless but that's not what he was charged with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 If you remember, Hugh Bowman and Tommy Berry caused terrible falls over here, one, the death of a horse and ending a jocks career and the other a death of a horse, they received a smack on the wrist in the big scheme of things, and the fallen jock [Corey Brown] seems almost conciliatory toward the offending rider, so God alone knows where racings heading. I thought Corey would have taken Tommy through the civil courts and maybe still will? do you think any of Bosson's victims would have prosecuted should they have been permanently maimed last Saturday? The only way to curtail this barbaric riding is to exit them for extended time, and massive financial imposts, it wont be long until we witness an event so bad that racing will be front-page news, but for all the wrong reasons...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 43 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: The only way to curtail this barbaric riding is to exit them for extended time, and massive financial imposts, it wont be long until we witness an event so bad that racing will be front-page news, but for all the wrong reasons...... That happened only a few weeks ago with the demolition at Cambridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 What I found most interesting about the Bosson incident was that there wasn't even a cheeky protest thrown in, or did I miss that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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