Brodie Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) Surely it is high time Manawatu pulled the plug on racing at Palmerston North?? Meeting there tomorrow has 8 races and 65 starters at the moment! Michael House is taking up 26 horses to race the mediocre opposition.. Michael House team misses the boat or he didnt nominate and there are 39 horses over 8 races so 5 per race, so meeting sbandoned! This is not going to improve and surely now is a continuing drain on harness coffers? The turnover is going to be abysmal as well on a Tuesday arvo! Yes there are still some optimists in Auckland as well but this is based on hope rather than economics?! Edited November 14, 2022 by Brodie 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 I have thought this for many years. As an old Palmy boy, not only are the fields poor, but the track, facilities all look so tired. The whole site needs to be bull dozed and allow for the growth of another slum suburb like Highbury and Takaro. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Surely it is high time Manawatu pulled the plug on racing at Palmerston North?? Meeting there tomorrow has 8 races and 65 starters at the moment! Michael House is taking up 26 horses to race the mediocre opposition.. Michael House team misses the boat or he didnt nominate and there are 39 horses over 8 races so 5 per race, so meeting sbandoned! This is not going to improve and surely now is a continuing drain on harness coffers? The turnover is going to be abysmal as well on a Tuesday arvo! Yes there are still some optimists in Auckland as well but this is based on hope rather than economics?! On the money.sell it build housing and bring back forbury for racing. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 (edited) Should southland racing be closed as well,as after all they have abandoned a couple of meetings there recently because of nominations far smaller? Then what,all auckland racing over winter? If Manawatu can attract an average field size of 8 and run 8 races,and have minimum stakes of $10,000, then the ones that would be hurting the most from closure would be the owner/trainer/drivers who support them. For some who race there that would mean it would no longer be economically realistic to continue in the sport,and thus having a flow on effect to other clubs whose numbers will drop. If a club is financial enough to put on races for stakes as good as/ slightly better than say the upcoming meeting at banks peninsula or the previous methven meeting,then why would would it make any sense to close them? Edited November 14, 2022 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 16 hours ago, Brodie said: The turnover is going to be abysmal as well on a Tuesday arvo! On labour day,that mini meeting,the late quaddie at palmy was over 10 grand which compares well to a lot of other harness meetings and a lot of gallops too,(southern Fridays spring to mind) but on a Tuesday afternoon, the Melbourne Cup or the trotting Cup may do ok but palmy today, probably not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 Why would they run 8 x 5 horse fields Brodie? Have you been on the crank again? The Manawatu club may not have huge numbers or large turnover but the return on investment (ie the profit from each race versus what HRNZ fund the meeting) to the industry is MILES better than Auckland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 3 hours ago, mikeynz said: On labour day,that mini meeting,the late quaddie at palmy was over 10 grand which compares well to a lot of other harness meetings and a lot of gallops too,(southern Fridays spring to mind) but on a Tuesday afternoon, the Melbourne Cup or the trotting Cup may do ok but palmy today, probably not. Thanks for reminding me about my massive stuff up on that quaddie costing me close to 1k as I had it for 100% for $50.i made mistake on first leg on tab site wrong number but some compensation I backed run mason run at 14/1 in the last.the first quaddie payed good to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 15, 2022 Author Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Spatchcock said: Why would they run 8 x 5 horse fields Brodie? Have you been on the crank again? The Manawatu club may not have huge numbers or large turnover but the return on investment (ie the profit from each race versus what HRNZ fund the meeting) to the industry is MILES better than Auckland. I did say the meeting would be abandoned!! what is this CRANK????? Edited November 15, 2022 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 18 hours ago, the galah said: Should southland racing be closed as well,as after all they have abandoned a couple of meetings there recently because of nominations far smaller? Then what,all auckland racing over winter? If Manawatu can attract an average field size of 8 and run 8 races,and have minimum stakes of $10,000, then the ones that would be hurting the most from closure would be the owner/trainer/drivers who support them. For some who race there that would mean it would no longer be economically realistic to continue in the sport,and thus having a flow on effect to other clubs whose numbers will drop. If a club is financial enough to put on races for stakes as good as/ slightly better than say the upcoming meeting at banks peninsula or the previous methven meeting,then why would would it make any sense to close them? The clubs don't fund stakes they are bulk funded per meeting by HRNZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 5 hours ago, Unhinged said: The clubs don't fund stakes they are bulk funded per meeting by HRNZ So have you just said that stakes are "bulk funded per meeting by hrnz" and that "the clubs don't fund stakes". Is that statement actually true? If it were,then whats the point in clubs receiving money from other sources like sponsorship or poker machine grants or income from farming,or from rental of properites,etc,etc,etc. Where do they spend that if none of it goes towards stakes. Doesn't seem to make sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Lots of strange things go on between trainers and staff up there.? Hj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On 11/15/2022 at 11:33 AM, mikeynz said: On labour day,that mini meeting,the late quaddie at palmy was over 10 grand which compares well to a lot of other harness meetings and a lot of gallops too,(southern Fridays spring to mind) but on a Tuesday afternoon, the Melbourne Cup or the trotting Cup may do ok but palmy today, probably not. 6500 yesty the late quaddie., I checkout all the quaddies, I note a lot of the 25000 guaranteed or whatever dont go over, the commingled pools are large from Vuctoria and West Australia but some of the doubles, place 6 etc etc from aussie are very small, I dont think there is as much bet on aussie racing as we may think there is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 (edited) On 15/11/2022 at 6:40 PM, Unhinged said: The clubs don't fund stakes they are bulk funded per meeting by HRNZ Just looking at the hrnz business plan for 2021/22 it says the bulk funding covers funding for the minimum stake,and in the case of other races that receive higher funding,its required the clubs pay a stake of at least what they have been funded. So what is the minimum stake all clubs are funded,is it the $10,000 manawatu pay.? If it is $10,000 how come rangiora today had 6 of the 8 races below that stake. How come some of the clubs that have more in the bank and better revenue sources don't seem to pay out more than the clubs that haven't, given clubs don't seem to contribute much of their reserves to pay stakes of most of their races? Edited November 16, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 29 minutes ago, the galah said: Just looking at the hrnz business plan for 2021/22 it says the bulk funding covers funding for the minimum stake,and in the case of other races that receive higher funding,its required the clubs pay a stake of at least what they have been funded. So what is the minimum stake all clubs are funded,is it the $10,000 manawatu pay.? If it is $10,000 how come rangiora today had 6 of the 8 races below that stake. How come some of the clubs that have more in the bank and better revenue sources don't seem to pay out more than the clubs that haven't, given clubs don't seem to contribute much of their reserves to pay stakes of most of their races? The minimum for a non race winner is 10,000 ,the clubs can use their discretion for the remainder of the races but must pay back anything not spent on stakes, clubs are currently under funded to hold a race meeting and maintain there properties. If you get time take a look at their yearly results . Under the current funding model clubs are not rewarded on turnover or meeting attendance. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Harness needs to be promoted both in the Manawatu & Taranaki. Look what happened to Hawkes Bay & Wellington and latterly Northland. Need to keep locals interests up or more followers/participants will be lost for ever 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 2 hours ago, eljay said: Harness needs to be promoted both in the Manawatu & Taranaki. Look what happened to Hawkes Bay & Wellington and latterly Northland. Need to keep locals interests up or more followers/participants will be lost for ever Yes Needs to be promoted Eljay. However there is next to no one training in the area and no young trainer is going to set up in the area as too gar away from the Metro tracks! Once Michael House gets the stitch, racing in Central NZ will not be happening. Just reality unfortunately. You will note that even the Nelson and Blenheim trainers have basically stopped trekking across the strait now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Brodie said: You will note that even the Nelson and Blenheim trainers have basically stopped trekking across the strait now! Most of the trainers from that region that used to regularly travel to Manawatu have either moved further South to Canterbury, retired or passed away unfortunately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Brodie can you pull the plug on your computer please then throw it in the Avon River. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Taku Umanga said: Most of the trainers from that region that used to regularly travel to Manawatu have either moved further South to Canterbury, retired or passed away unfortunately. It costs about $600 plus per horse to take a double float to Palmy from Blenheim (Ferry, accom) With the 2 day meetings of the past that's $300 per start With a 1 day meeting that's $600 per start. Edited November 24, 2022 by Mikie Because Brodie's too thick to follow unless things are spelt out for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 24, 2022 Author Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Spatchcock said: Brodie can you pull the plug on your computer please then throw it in the Avon River. Mr Cockhead, If I chucked a plug into the Avon River, can you guarantee that you will jump in with it? Edited November 24, 2022 by Brodie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Spatchcock said: Brodie can you pull the plug on your computer please then throw it in the Avon River. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Highest I’ve seen The Avon in awhile. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 On 11/24/2022 at 6:02 AM, Taku Umanga said: Most of the trainers from that region that used to regularly travel to Manawatu have either moved further South to Canterbury, retired or passed away unfortunately. How many trainers left in the top of the south? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 11/25/2022 at 1:50 PM, mikeynz said: How many trainers left in the top of the south? Feck all Mikey2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) Perhaps the plug should be pulled on Auckland judging by this week's fields - Manawatu will get more participants next week? Edited November 28, 2022 by Taku Umanga 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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