Is this for real?

[Nowornever]

https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/hrnz-board-approves-application-from-disqualified-licenseholder/

Can not imagine the public perception will be that positive. They can read the room about as well as the current Government at the moment.

[Brodie]

6 hours ago, Nowornever said:

https://harnesslink.com/new-zealand/hrnz-board-approves-application-from-disqualified-licenseholder/

Can not imagine the public perception will be that positive. They can read the room about as well as the current Government at the moment.

This decision does not surprise me on the least!

There are just so many incompetents in important roles in many industries in NZ currently!

NZ citizens allow it to happen and are in the main apathetic and believe the BS that is fed to them by people who should not be in any decision making roles!

 

 

[the galah]

This Brad Reid,sure is a breath of fresh air with his willingness to openly express views that so many have strongly held for so long.

The norm has always been participants and punters saying this type of thing to one another,but not being willing to repeat them in other groups within the industry.Its for reasons somewhat hard to define to someone who may be looking in from the outside. 

Mr Reid stated "our own participants are the greatest threat to our industry and that now includes our own elected officers".  He provides the context in his article for saying that.

What i would say is when you have historical mindsets and behaviors formulating how many of our current participants think and act,depending on what they witnessed and experienced, combined with a history of those who have policed the rules having double standards and whom have looked the other way depending on who you are,then its no wonder integrity is an issue today.

For example. The stipes and the RIU  currently are far more pro active in policing the rules around integrity than they were ever in the past. They,whether by design or chance, recognise that the industry has got to the point where without proper and consistent oversight,there will be no viable industry in the future.

A consequence of that change in approach in recent years,has upset many within the industry who somehow believe they have every right to breach the rules,knowing what they do is unfair.In some ways that thinking is understandable because of what has happened in the past without consequence.

So who's at fault. Its certainly not those currently policing the rules as so many industry participants and even very disappointingly some elected officials would lead you to believe.

I believe its the fault of those who used to police the rules and created the history of double standards through inaction and favoritism, and its also to a degree the fault of all previous licence holders who knowingly cheated or did dishonest behavior, knowing they were doing so while operating in an environment of likelihood of little consequence.

I'm not referring to everyday stuff like whip rules. When we see drivers given seemingly harsh penalties for an offence the majority can relate to,it  does give those who seek to promote the "them and us"  approach,a bit of leverage, when that has nothing to do with the more serious integrity issues.

It is because of the reasons and context i have stated above,i personally don't have strong views either way around the decision to allow Mcgrath to break in horses.

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by the galah

[Blackie]

19 minutes ago, the galah said:

This Brad Reid,sure is a breath of fresh air with his willingness to openly express views that so many have strongly held for so long.

Is this the same Brad Reid who is employed by HRNZ as their Breeding Manager? A very brave individual if it is. Good on him.

[Taku Umanga]

12 hours ago, Blackie said:

Is this the same Brad Reid who is employed by HRNZ as their Breeding Manager? A very brave individual if it is. Good on him.

Formerly employed by HRNZ - now with Harnesslink I believe

[Chief Stipe]

14 hours ago, the galah said:

For example. The stipes and the RIU  currently are far more pro active in policing the rules around integrity than they were ever in the past. They,whether by design or chance, recognise that the industry has got to the point where without proper and consistent oversight,there will be no viable industry in the future.

Bollocks.  Inconsistent rulings weekly.  

If they can't get the small stuff right or the bread and butter rulings right how can anyone have any confidence in the big stuff?

Meanwhile the stench of Operation INCA hangs in the air.

[the galah]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Bollocks.  Inconsistent rulings weekly.  

If they can't get the small stuff right or the bread and butter rulings right how can anyone have any confidence in the big stuff?

Meanwhile the stench of Operation INCA hangs in the air.

Bollocks to your  bollocks and i raise you a bollocks.

[Robalan]

You will post anything to try and boost contributors to this site Chief

[Chief Stipe]

18 minutes ago, Robalan said:

You will post anything to try and boost contributors to this site Chief

 

4 hours ago, the galah said:

Bollocks to your  bollocks and i raise you a bollocks.

The new RIB has taken Ruling inconsistentcy to new heights.  Still has closed down INCA.  They've increaed staff numbers in the face of declining revenue to the point the codes are going to have to reach into their funds to keep them afloat. 

To even infer the RIB is doing a grand job is bollocks.

[Chief Stipe]

25 minutes ago, Robalan said:

You will post anything to try and boost contributors to this site Chief

If I was worried about numbers I'd just throw money at competitions, cry with insincerity over every industry death be it horse or human, post congratulations for every horse win anywhere that had a remote connection to NZ and sign every post off with JMHO.

Instead I allow anyone, including myself, to post any blunt opinion they wish.

[the galah]

 

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

 

The new RIB has taken Ruling inconsistentcy to new heights.  Still has closed down INCA.  They've increaed staff numbers in the face of declining revenue to the point the codes are going to have to reach into their funds to keep them afloat. 

To even infer the RIB is doing a grand job is bollocks.

Whats any of that got to do with what i said? Beats me. 

[Brodie]

Not sure why anyone wants to attack Chief Stipe on here????
He allows people to have their say on most topics whether it be Harness or important issues that affect the citizens of NEW ZEALAND!
As you will be well aware several of the intelligent posters were shut down from that other site for having an opinion!

I every now and again have a look at what they are on about and yes there are some good topics but generally very boring.

If you want to be entertained, learn stuff and have friendly banter then Bit Of A Yarn is the Premier site!

If you want to be bored and have to follow rules and be surrounded by people who go off their tree quite often then that might be your better bet.

There is no requirement here to have a crack at Chief who runs a very fair site, if you did this on the other less enjoyable site, you would be shut down!

[mikeynz]

2 hours ago, Brodie said:

Not sure why anyone wants to attack Chief Stipe on here????
He allows people to have their say on most topics whether it be Harness or important issues that affect the citizens of NEW ZEALAND!
As you will be well aware several of the intelligent posters were shut down from that other site for having an opinion!

I every now and again have a look at what they are on about and yes there are some good topics but generally very boring.

If you want to be entertained, learn stuff and have friendly banter then Bit Of A Yarn is the Premier site!

If you want to be bored and have to follow rules and be surrounded by people who go off their tree quite often then that might be your better bet.

There is no requirement here to have a crack at Chief who runs a very fair site, if you did this on the other less enjoyable site, you would be shut down!

Some of the stuff I posted on my free for all forum, in political yarns would have been frowned upon on another site, sometimes I just try to jazz it up, nought wrong with a bit of humour, music or comment to add a new dimension to a website.

I note Djockovic is welcome back to aussie for the tennis despite no vaccine, good on him for standing up for his principles.

Edited November 19, 2022 by mikeynz

[the galah]

3 hours ago, Brodie said:

Not sure why anyone wants to attack Chief Stipe on here????
He allows people to have their say on most topics whether it be Harness or important issues that affect the citizens of NEW ZEALAND!
As you will be well aware several of the intelligent posters were shut down from that other site for having an opinion!

I every now and again have a look at what they are on about and yes there are some good topics but generally very boring.

If you want to be entertained, learn stuff and have friendly banter then Bit Of A Yarn is the Premier site!

If you want to be bored and have to follow rules and be surrounded by people who go off their tree quite often then that might be your better bet.

There is no requirement here to have a crack at Chief who runs a very fair site, if you did this on the other less enjoyable site, you would be shut down!

Agree its a good site. But don't agree anyone has a crack at the chief without provocation first.

And reading previous posts on this topic,i'm not sure why you have posted it on this topic. 

Edited November 20, 2022 by the galah

[Brodie]

2 hours ago, the galah said:

Agree its a good site. But don't agree anyone has a crack at the chief without provocation first.

And reading previous posts on this topic,i'm not sure why you have posted it on this topic. 

Galah, great that people have differing opinions as that is what makes a great forum..

Air an opinion and see what others think!

Chief has opinions and expresses them just like Brodie and several others do.

No we wont always agree with everything one says but this is what we need in NEW ZEALAND, there are so many people who have an opinion but never express it. 
This is one of the major reasons that people and the country are in the biggest mess we have ever been in, because they have followed the most incompetent bunch’s rules and regulations without thinking about things or expressing their opinion.

We have been dictated to by  Ardern and Robertson who are absolute lightweights but being in power has put the country back decades!!!

 Either of them or their caucus have any skills to run a country and yet we have let them them control us!

What an achievement by Ardern this week in that she has arranged for cheaper LIMES to be imported into NEW ZEALAND so great for those CORONA drinkers!

Voters at the last election that voted for Labour should really hang their heads in shame and normally I would think you deserve what you are getting, however it is worse than that!!!

Personally dont think the ones that voted for her last election should have the right to vote again, but obviously that will not happen!

Edited November 20, 2022 by Brodie

[the galah]

3 hours ago, Brodie said:

Galah, great that people have differing opinions as that is what makes a great forum..

Air an opinion and see what others think!

Chief has opinions and expresses them just like Brodie and several others do.

No we wont always agree with everything one says but this is what we need in NEW ZEALAND, there are so many people who have an opinion but never express it. 
This is one of the major reasons that people and the country are in the biggest mess we have ever been in, because they have followed the most incompetent bunch’s rules and regulations without thinking about things or expressing their opinion.

We have been dictated to by  Ardern and Robertson who are absolute lightweights but being in power has put the country back decades!!!

 Either of them or their caucus have any skills to run a country and yet we have let them them control us!

What an achievement by Ardern this week in that she has arranged for cheaper LIMES to be imported into NEW ZEALAND so great for those CORONA drinkers!

Voters at the last election that voted for Labour should really hang their heads in shame and normally I would think you deserve what you are getting, however it is worse than that!!!

Personally dont think the ones that voted for her last election should have the right to vote again, but obviously that will not happen!

While i didn't give my party vote to labour,i did vote for one of their candidates in the district i live. Never again will i vote for Labour in any way.I never thought they would discriminate against certain groups who held opinions opposite to theirs,but thats what they did to the unvaccinated. Adern and Labour are fake.How people ever believed "have the shot,stop the spread" or its a pandemic of the unvaccinated" does make me wonder. Anyway i'm still unvaccinated,and still haven't had covid.

 

Edited November 20, 2022 by the galah

[hunterthepunter]

On 18/11/2022 at 7:33 PM, the galah said:

This Brad Reid,sure is a breath of fresh air with his willingness to openly express views that so many have strongly held for so long.

The norm has always been participants and punters saying this type of thing to one another,but not being willing to repeat them in other groups within the industry.Its for reasons somewhat hard to define to someone who may be looking in from the outside. 

Mr Reid stated "our own participants are the greatest threat to our industry and that now includes our own elected officers".  He provides the context in his article for saying that.

What i would say is when you have historical mindsets and behaviors formulating how many of our current participants think and act,depending on what they witnessed and experienced, combined with a history of those who have policed the rules having double standards and whom have looked the other way depending on who you are,then its no wonder integrity is an issue today.

For example. The stipes and the RIU  currently are far more pro active in policing the rules around integrity than they were ever in the past. They,whether by design or chance, recognise that the industry has got to the point where without proper and consistent oversight,there will be no viable industry in the future.

A consequence of that change in approach in recent years,has upset many within the industry who somehow believe they have every right to breach the rules,knowing what they do is unfair.In some ways that thinking is understandable because of what has happened in the past without consequence.

So who's at fault. Its certainly not those currently policing the rules as so many industry participants and even very disappointingly some elected officials would lead you to believe.

I believe its the fault of those who used to police the rules and created the history of double standards through inaction and favoritism, and its also to a degree the fault of all previous licence holders who knowingly cheated or did dishonest behavior, knowing they were doing so while operating in an environment of likelihood of little consequence.

I'm not referring to everyday stuff like whip rules. When we see drivers given seemingly harsh penalties for an offence the majority can relate to,it  does give those who seek to promote the "them and us"  approach,a bit of leverage, when that has nothing to do with the more serious integrity issues.

It is because of the reasons and context i have stated above,i personally don't have strong views either way around the decision to allow Mcgrath to break in horses.

 

starting to sound like the under taker

[the galah]

3 hours ago, hunterthepunter said:

starting to sound like the under taker

The Wrestler from texas? Probably not the same one you are referring to. Does remind me of On the mat with steve rickard and ernie leonard. Used to watch them when i was a kid. Remember king kong would get them to foam at the mouth,then there was the fella who did the sleeper hold,and samoan joe. Great entertainment. Not much to do with harness racing but still a nice trip down memory lane.

[Rangatira]

22 minutes ago, the galah said:

The Wrestler from texas? Probably not the same one you are referring to. Does remind me of On the mat with steve rickard and ernie leonard. Used to watch them when i was a kid. Remember king kong would get them to foam at the mouth,then there was the fella who did the sleeper hold,and samoan joe. Great entertainment. Not much to do with harness racing but still a nice trip down memory lane.

 

[Gammalite]

25 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

Used to watch them when i was a kid. Remember king kong would get them to foam at the mouth,then there was the fella who did the sleeper hold,and samoan joe. Great entertainment.

Think you are talking King Curtis there . My dad's hero when I as a kid in South Auckland watching the great 'wrestling action. That guy Sure could Pull some faces !!!!!!!   always thought he was Maori but see he is Hawaiian . He Became super popular 'beating' a lot of the up and comers. His scarred forehead looked great !! lol....... grand Nz stuff.

 

[the galah]

31 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Think you are talking King Curtis there . My dad's hero when I as a kid in South Auckland watching the great 'wrestling action. That guy Sure could Pull some faces !!!!!!!   always thought he was Maori but see he is Hawaiian . He Became super popular 'beating' a lot of the up and comers. His scarred forehead looked great !! lol....... grand Nz stuff.

 

Yes i did mean king curtis. Didn't realise i had typed king kong until now....Loved that show....Those were the days.

[aquaman]

5 hours ago, hunterthepunter said:

starting to sound like the under taker

Speaking of undertakers, I put a post up on here of an interview with an English undertaker by the name of John OLooney explaining all the huge rise in deaths that his business was attending to especially in rest homes after vaccination. It was most informative. Also what he was seeing when embalming bodies. It was put up in the Covid 19 Yarn segment. Why am i saying this, well the Chief Stipe censored it and took it down which pissed me off, especially since there was very little wrong with it. Since then a well known NZ undertaker has now come out and endorses everything that John OLooney was saying as he was seeing the same things in his business.

So don't be fooled, censorship is alive and well even on this site, although nowhere near as bad as that other site run by a chap that has a funny name called scooby.

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, aquaman said:

Why am i saying this, well the Chief Stipe censored it and took it down which pissed me off, especially since there was very little wrong with it.

 

11 minutes ago, aquaman said:

So don't be fooled, censorship is alive and well even on this site, although nowhere near as bad as that other site run by a chap that has a funny name called scooby.

I think you must be mistaken.  I don't delete anything.  What may have happened is you posted it in the wrong sub-forum and or the wrong topic.  With the latter you were probably well off topic.   All I would have done is move it to the appropriate part of BOAY. 

[aquaman]

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Replied: September 26, 2021

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On 26/09/2021 at 11:40 AM, aquaman said:

Hi Chief, just wondering if you removed a u tube clip that i posted on one of the covid threads. It was a testimony from an English undertaker. I put it up yesterday but see its disappeared. Cheers

I haven't removed it per se.  It is hidden.  When I viewed it there was Nazi insignia displayed at the beginning.  Although I have a fairly open policy of what can be posted on BOAY I have to be careful about some stuff.  

I already have enough problems with some arseholes that deliberately post inflammatory stuff and keywords in an attempt to attract the authorities.  

So my approach is to fact check and to make sure that there is no references to extreme organisations.  The Nazi insignia failed the first pass.

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[aquaman]

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Replied: September 26, 2021

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OK, at least i know where it went. Nazi signage put me off too, but it was not in reference to the post in so much as it compared to medical experiments and a comparison to whats happening in todays world post covid. I think it was an important message from the coalface. Cheers.