Chief Stipe Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Fantastic fields for Friday 2 December 2022 at Riccarton - NOT! https://loveracing.nz/raceinfo/51340/meeting-overview.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Fantastic fields for Friday 2 December 2022 at Riccarton - NOT! https://loveracing.nz/raceinfo/51340/meeting-overview.aspx He's making a stand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 23 minutes ago, Freda said: He's making a stand So they are finally replacing the old stand ? 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Freda said: He's making a stand If this is correct , i applaud him , only wish him and many others thruout the country had done this for many other issues to do with racing . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 I thought he was the biggest advocate for the AWT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Doomed said: I thought he was the biggest advocate for the AWT. I'm an advocate of the AWT too. I'm not an advocate for replacing long programmed grass meetings with AWT meetings especially when they are outside the NZTR scheduled AWT season. Good on him. It's another shocking piece of fallout from the CJC's behaviour with respect to the management of their grass course in recent months Edited November 30, 2022 by curious 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Has anyone been fired/ walked the plank/ resigned for the Cup day debacle? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Freda said: He's making a stand As in Custer's? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 8 hours ago, Ludwig said: Has anyone been fired/ walked the plank/ resigned for the Cup day debacle? Nope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: As in Custer's? Well, it certainly won't be Pitty. Good on him for making a point. I doubt anyone else will be putting their hand up to play that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Freda said: Well, it certainly won't be Pitty. Good on him for making a point. I doubt anyone else will be putting their hand up to play that role. Bit late now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Freda said: Well, it certainly won't be Pitty. Good on him for making a point. I doubt anyone else will be putting their hand up to play that role. While I agree with that as already noted, Pitty is the National Vice President, South Island of the Trainers' Association. Shouldn't that be the vehicle for taking forward a proposed solution to this. From that role, it seems he could be building support for same and taking a plan to NZTR. While I fully support the right to protest, individually or collectively, if you want change, you have to be for something rather than against something. “I was once asked why I don't participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there.” —Mother Teresa Edited November 30, 2022 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 Michael Pitman may be voting for change of governance, better conditions for all involved in racing or just plain common sense, all of which look positive triggers for protest to me. There is still the option for others to vote before 7.30am race morning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, curious said: While I agree with that as already noted, Pitty is the National Vice President, South Island of the Trainers' Association. Shouldn't that be the vehicle for taking forward a proposed solution to this. From that role, it seems he could be building support for same and taking a plan to NZTR. While I fully support the right to protest, individually or collectively, if you want change, you have to be for something rather than against something. “I was once asked why I don't participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there.” —Mother Teresa C'mon Curious, the solution is right in front of everyones noses but the fools captaining the titanic refuse to budge on it . Open & utilise the tracks/venues that the hopeless "good bloke" BS closed in his reign of incompetence! Centralisation doesn't/hasn't worked in a place like NZ. Has the new CEO got the gonads to actually send the industry in a different direction? How many times does an industry need to bang its head on the wall to know hat its currently doing isn't the answer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 You are not too old Michael. Sell up. pack up and take Mathew, your staff and your team to OZ....and do it now. The NZ industry is donald ducked and there will not be change here for decades. All those who have faith in Petone or McAnulty are deluded. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 18 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: You are not too old Michael. Sell up. pack up and take Mathew, your staff and your team to OZ....and do it now. The NZ industry is donald ducked and there will not be change here for decades. All those who have faith in Petone or McAnulty are deluded. All those that have faith in Petone or McAnulty are insane. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, curious said: While I agree with that as already noted, Pitty is the National Vice President, South Island of the Trainers' Association. Shouldn't that be the vehicle for taking forward a proposed solution to this. From that role, it seems he could be building support for same and taking a plan to NZTR. While I fully support the right to protest, individually or collectively, if you want change, you have to be for something rather than against something. “I was once asked why I don't participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there.” —Mother Teresa I agree and what about the representation on the Programming Committee? Many of us pointed out months if not years ago what was going to happen yet key stakeholders have done nothing. Unfortunately self-interest and selling the hype to survive has meant neglect of the fundamentals by those that need good tracks to safely race their product on. Perhaps it is all part of the master plan - drive Clubs to their knees and sequester any capital NZTR can lay their hands on and build a couple of mega centres. Forget about utilising all those great turf tracks that were the cornerstone of the strength of our industry. I've always argued that there was a limit to how many tracks you could close down before the central big tracks failed especially if no remediation work was done. We could still utilise a lot of tracks facilitating the repair of the major ones. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 40 minutes ago, Huey said: Open & utilise the tracks/venues that the hopeless "good bloke" BS closed in his reign of incompetence! Exactly. Who cares if the Grandstands are run down. It isn't the point anymore! I know myself and owners like Curious would stand in the rain and hail to watch our horses get a run on a safe track when the horse was ready. FFS a hip flask would keep me warm! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Huey said: C'mon Curious, the solution is right in front of everyones noses but the fools captaining the titanic refuse to budge on it . Open & utilise the tracks/venues that the hopeless "good bloke" BS closed in his reign of incompetence! Centralisation doesn't/hasn't worked in a place like NZ. Has the new CEO got the gonads to actually send the industry in a different direction? How many times does an industry need to bang its head on the wall to know hat its currently doing isn't the answer. Not much point having more tracks open if the likes of NZTR and the CJC won't utilise them in these circumstances. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 36 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Perhaps it is all part of the master plan - drive Clubs to their knees and sequester any capital NZTR can lay their hands on and build a couple of mega centres. Forget about utilising all those great turf tracks that were the cornerstone of the strength of our industry. I've always argued that there was a limit to how many tracks you could close down before the central big tracks failed especially if no remediation work was done. We could still utilise a lot of tracks facilitating the repair of the major ones. Part of the master plan is to deprive industry participants of any information that could be used to make, or justify, decisions. Surely they know how much it costs to run each type of race meeting and what level of turnover is needed to show a profit or break even? But none of this information is made available. It may well be that some of these small meetings are a drain on the industry and should be cut: we just don't know. I assume that a meeting like Cromwell last Friday would have been quite profitable, whereas some feature meetings at metropolitan tracks probably run at a loss. But we have no way of knowing this as industry participants are treated like children with no right to be kept informed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Huey said: C'mon Curious, the solution is right in front of everyones noses but the fools captaining the titanic refuse to budge on it . Open & utilise the tracks/venues that the hopeless "good bloke" BS closed in his reign of incompetence! Centralisation doesn't/hasn't worked in a place like NZ. Has the new CEO got the gonads to actually send the industry in a different direction? How many times does an industry need to bang its head on the wall to know hat its currently doing isn't the answer. That useless BS was championed by C Wood, therein lays your problem, the disaffected north dictating to the seriously effected south, the mindset of of the north is seriously questionable, the CD don't have a mindset or a brain to bless themselves with, look at the Awapuni debacle as an example and the SI is now the poor relation, reading BDL this morning it's the same old same old, moving to Cambridge eh? lock stock and barrel, and the associated costs eh? if this wasn't so tragic and sick it would be an ongoing Monty Python skit....... Sadly the NZ I once knew is gone, a great place, a little boring, but generally a great place to bring up your kids and enjoy world class sports, racing included, this government has it's faults, but they can't be blamed for racings demise and we need someone to blame, so maybe ourselves, the ''consultants' to the Gov, to Winston even, who were they again? people with private agendas perhaps? coat tuggers, urgers, mainly misinformed and misguided laymen, who either unknowingly or worse, knowingly assisted our industry to become a ''corner store'' rather than the department store it once was. To save the SI it will take militant action, if any owner doesn't back their trainer in that, then they should FUCK OFF........ Thank you. Joe. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 That "old boys" network is alive and well in Canterbury. Chris College, St Andrews and St Bedes. The solicitor set is like the mafia. The very small circle of people who benefited from the Rolleston growth made eye watering amounts of cash. In the know = in the dough. Pitty is pissing into the north wester, but I totally admire his action. Unfortunately he will get wet trying to deal with those old boys. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 (edited) If this is about the cup day debacle I applaud the man. Is the boss still making excuses? Do they read these boards? Maybe they just don't care? Hj Edited November 30, 2022 by Honestjohn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 Rain tomorrow and 14 degrees. Mmmm I hope there aren't too many scratchings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 On 30/11/2022 at 8:42 PM, Ludwig said: Has anyone been fired/ walked the plank/ resigned for the Cup day debacle? No doubt swept under carpet, similar to a previous episode of leaving road cones on track for the field to hurdle in first (flat) race of the day approx five years ago. A bit late to remedy the course proper now, Millsey, it should've been seen to after the Grand National meeting in August, in fact it should have been seen to many moons ago. Do you (and a few others) still have the Boards backing, Millsey? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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