Mark D Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 @AndrewBensley · 24m It’s been announced this morning that New Zealand trainer Andrew @Forsman_Racing and @lhowls will be the trainers at Macedon Lodge from March. Bruce Dixon the new owner confirms Matt Tillett as new GM and Mark Player will be chairman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 A good move for Forsman, but probably the one trainer NZ Racing couldn't afford to lose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Good onya Andrew, a great setup there, Andrew will be a big player, he wont look back, although he might, and say.....Why the fuck didn't I do this years ago instead of poking my eyes out with a blunt stick....... Jamie Richards would have made it here too, never too late, and if any of the other trainers with talent and ambition wanted to, they just might kick goals here, some are struggling, like Rachel Frost, and M Enright, and Bryce Heys, the young bloke at Deagon is setting the place on fire, Jack Bruce, but mostly with horses sent to him by his old bosses, Waller and Baker Jnr. These guys are leaving purely and simply because stale, pale males have fucked NZ racing, with a shot put exponent in the mix as well.....and they were allowed to let it happen, how bloody shameful. The Irish blamed the potato famine for their massive exodus to fresh fields and opportunity, what excuse does NZ offer for all this talent leaving NZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: The Irish blamed the potato famine for their massive exodus to fresh fields and opportunity, what excuse does NZ offer for all this talent leaving NZ? The Irish left because they said there was no food when the potato famine hit , but there was a paddock of cabbages next door that they wouldn't look at , too focused on their misery . NZTR are like the Irish , if only they looked to either side they might find a solution to the industries plights . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 We should get ready for the avalanche to start , we have all been saying for a while that an exodus of trainers to Aus would happen . Forsman is getting in early . After the rest of this season , where stakes are being artificially propped up due to the 8.5mil shortfall in TAB funding , that shortfall could become 15mil for the 23/24 season if the TAB can do nothing to halt the slide . That equates to 329k per week in loss of stakes funding for the galloping code , what sort of stakes are we going to be racing for if that number is realized . Any decent young trainer with some real ability and some connections and conviction has to make the jump , even someone like TA have to look seriously look at getting set up over there , NZ for development of young horses then shipped to Australia to race for money . 329k a week , the figure is staggering , the industry is staggering if this figure come to fruition . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 but,but but, what about our artificial million dollar races coming up.Can't he see the potential. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 It's not going to matter, cause all of a sudden it doesn't matter if youre not at the actual race track to watch the races. So they can all shift to Aus to train and we'll sit on the lawn at an NZTR approved track and watch them race. The hypocrisy of this sport is astounding! https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/punters-up-for-horseless-race-day/USDYIFAMIREIFMWWP7PJQSCIFI/ 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanut Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 doesnt read like he is leaving NZ ..yet. https://www.racingnews.co.nz/forsman-to-operate-victorian-stable/?fbclid=IwAR2duXJHoi9iOYBbHI3R8gi4wak7XF_rzFINc4ylu7VuA_bFl1GinRSuz9Y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 It may be similar to the Moroney/Gerard operation, maintaining stables in both areas. However, I couldn't see him having a great presence back here. Why would he need to? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 The issue will be that the horses we require to be racing in our better races to make them competitive and keep the ratings up will be racing in Australia . And i fully understand the reasoning . The problems really begin when even the younger progressive horses start getting shipped there also . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Freda said: It may be similar to the Moroney/Gerard operation, maintaining stables in both areas. However, I couldn't see him having a great presence back here. Why would he need to? Go back a couple of decades and Waller did the same thing. Not for long though. More of an insurance policy I think and maybe a feeder for horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 There has been several setup shop in Victoria and soon retreat. Quite frankly Forsman is silly doing that unless its secondary to the NZ side of things. We are already at the start of World War 3 and like previous wars restrictions will come into play. Coupled with global warming which includes forest fires in Australia and also Covid along with a financial recession everything points to hard times. Cutting equine horse air travel or else making it too expensive will hit racing hard. Racing in Australia may sound rosy but needs to consolidate. Going there is not the panacea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, The Centaur said: There has been several setup shop in Victoria and soon retreat. Quite frankly Forsman is silly doing that unless its secondary to the NZ side of things. We are already at the start of World War 3 and like previous wars restrictions will come into play. Coupled with global warming which includes forest fires in Australia and also Covid along with a financial recession everything points to hard times. Cutting equine horse air travel or else making it too expensive will hit racing hard. Racing in Australia may sound rosy but needs to consolidate. Going there is not the panacea. Perhaps we should be sending them some of our administrators rather than our trainers to help them get through the tough times? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, The Centaur said: There has been several setup shop in Victoria and soon retreat. Quite frankly Forsman is silly doing that unless its secondary to the NZ side of things. We are already at the start of World War 3 and like previous wars restrictions will come into play. Coupled with global warming which includes forest fires in Australia and also Covid along with a financial recession everything points to hard times. Cutting equine horse air travel or else making it too expensive will hit racing hard. Racing in Australia may sound rosy but needs to consolidate. Going there is not the panacea. Not silly at all if any of what you say comes to fruition, as any one of those areas is likely to push NZ racing closer to oblivion than its ever been ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 2 hours ago, The Centaur said: There has been several setup shop in Victoria and soon retreat. Quite frankly Forsman is silly doing that unless its secondary to the NZ side of things. We are already at the start of World War 3 and like previous wars restrictions will come into play. Coupled with global warming which includes forest fires in Australia and also Covid along with a financial recession everything points to hard times. Cutting equine horse air travel or else making it too expensive will hit racing hard. Racing in Australia may sound rosy but needs to consolidate. Going there is not the panacea. In theory you are correct TC, however thankfully over here on the mainland we have a gambling culture, a true gambling culture, the envy of all boring bastards, and as history shall repeat, if what you say comes to fruition racing here will boom, as it did during the Great Recession, world wars and Gough Whitlam who was worse than all the events I mentioned. You will be far better then over here, if there are nearly 800,000 Kiwis here now, how many you reckon by say 2025?......it's pretty good here TC, Andrew thinks so, as does Chris, Mike, Bjorn and many many more........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 11 hours ago, The Centaur said: We are already at the start of World War 3 and like previous wars restrictions will come into play. Coupled with global warming which includes forest fires in Australia and also Covid along with a financial recession everything points to hard times. Cutting equine horse air travel or else making it too expensive will hit racing hard. Racing in Australia may sound rosy but needs to consolidate. Going there is not the panacea. You've missed mentioning the plague of Cane Toads in Queensland. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 11 hours ago, Huey said: Not silly at all if any of what you say comes to fruition, as any one of those areas is likely to push NZ racing closer to oblivion than its ever been ! There are so many crazy things going on I don't know where to start. If we go to the radio for guidance we get... SENZ... promos for the SENZ app. i.e self propaganda BBC.... anti Russian propaganda RNZ.... Maori propaganda Newstalk.... anti Labour government propaganda. Christian Channels.... usual rubbish. Then the great logic for businesses that can't open because of weather bombs... bring in more staff from overseas. But as far as racing goes I get back to most crazy of all... pay the TAB CEO a million per year and everything will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 12 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: In theory you are correct TC, however thankfully over here on the mainland we have a gambling culture, a true gambling culture, the envy of all boring bastards, and as history shall repeat, if what you say comes to fruition racing here will boom, as it did during the Great Recession, world wars and Gough Whitlam who was worse than all the events I mentioned. You will be far better then over here, if there are nearly 800,000 Kiwis here now, how many you reckon by say 2025?......it's pretty good here TC, Andrew thinks so, as does Chris, Mike, Bjorn and many many more........ Its a curly one. Australia has got the feel of wide open spaces which gives confidence in fighting against Covid. Maybe country racing can boom and city regress then again due to financial restraints the other way around. I really think business such as horse trainers should button up and adjust to the market reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 34 minutes ago, The Centaur said: I really think business such as horse trainers should button up and adjust to the market reality. It's going to happen naturally, wait till the true reality of feed prices kicks in , coupled with racing for ribbons in the not too distant future and the outlook is anything but good. We should be exempt from it though as we have to put up with NZTR incompetence for starters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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