The Centaur Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 The BGP get together at Ellerslie racecourse an interesting concept. Although common overseas there hasn't been any great enthusiasm here in NZ for phantom meetings. With numerous TAB closures and racecourse facilities sitting idle I would have thought more of a push to create racing entertainment venues. Therefore was there any atmosphere at Ellerslie? Was the event a success? etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Don't know but the bookies sure were kind to them giving them lots of favours that the common punter doesn't get. @Brodie I'm sure would be ecstatic to be allowed to put $100,000 on. I note the Tote win pools were very small. Around $75k just before closing. I'd hope the Fixed Odds pools were significantly higher and that the bookies didn't take a bath. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Better question is Was there any atmosphere at Pukekohe? Far, far smaller turnout than what would have turned up if the racing had been Ellerslie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 45 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Don't know but the bookies sure were kind to them giving them lots of favours that the common punter doesn't get. @Brodie I'm sure would be ecstatic to be allowed to put $100,000 on. I note the Tote win pools were very small. Around $75k just before closing. I'd hope the Fixed Odds pools were significantly higher and that the bookies didn't take a bath. I heard they returned 50% of their outlay, some very big bets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, Huey said: I heard they returned 50% of their outlay, some very big bets. So the TAB won? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So the TAB won? Boys Get Paid Thank to every one of you who got involved this year; we had close to 15,000 people watching, which is an exceptional effort. There will be a refund heading your way very soon of around 50% of your initial stake. Time to crack a beer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 What are the thoughts on these TAB favours to one group? Does it justify an artificial turnover? Were the turnovers per race that great for the "best race meeting in NZ"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Anyone have the stats on how many times BGP has returned a profit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Whatever they are they are saviours of NZ racing, they keep losing like that the TAB just might not need to go to the next NAT Gov asking for a handout......gee, how good would that be? now, if they licence corp bookmakers and on-course bookies, something wonderful just might happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Special Agent said: What are the thoughts on these TAB favours to one group? Does it justify an artificial turnover? Were the turnovers per race that great for the "best race meeting in NZ"? Preferential treatment to one group of punters is just not on! All punters should be treated equally but the NZ TAB do not treat all punters the same!!! NZ Bookies, rethink your business plan and allow ALL PUNTERS to have the same rights as BOYS GET PAID! You are costing the racing industry big time with your narrow minded thinking!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Preferential treatment to one group of punters is just not on! All punters should be treated equally but the NZ TAB do not treat all punters the same!!! NZ Bookies, rethink your business plan and allow ALL PUNTERS to have the same rights as BOYS GET PAID! You are costing the racing industry big time with your narrow minded thinking!!!!! But @Brodie you scare them because unlike the BGP they know you have and will take them to the cleaners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I've already said on here Tab treat their customers, well their best ones to treats like I mentioned somewhere here. Invited top punters to avonhead tavern where they were handed kit envelopes with vouchers containing credits etc, food and booze were handed out. About 100? Asked. I knew about 3or 4 , 1 guy surprised me. He was my bankng guy. BTW I punted every race with no return. Crowds looked amazing, seemed a great day out? Hj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I may be wrong but I thought they had 13 bets for 2 collects. We've seen things come and go over the years. This looks like just another gimmick to me. I used to love just watching the top horses compete, now they mostly go off shore. I don't think giving one group of punters what they want, a Grand Tour, and any other marketing plan with money thrown at it is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, Special Agent said: I may be wrong but I thought they had 13 bets for 2 collects. We've seen things come and go over the years. This looks like just another gimmick to me. I used to love just watching the top horses compete, now they mostly go off shore. I don't think giving one group of punters what they want, a Grand Tour, and any other marketing plan with money thrown at it is the answer. No the best answer is having the best tracks racing the best horses and a competitive betting product. Simple really. But we've squandered the best tracks and mothballing the best that are left. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Honestjohn said: I've already said on here Tab treat their customers, well their best ones to treats like I mentioned somewhere here. Invited top punters to avonhead tavern where they were handed kit envelopes with vouchers containing credits etc, food and booze were handed out. About 100? Asked. I knew about 3or 4 , 1 guy surprised me. He was my bankng guy. BTW I punted every race with no return. Crowds looked amazing, seemed a great day out? Hj HJ I am not quite clear. Were you at Avonhead or Pukekohe? With COVID fear around for some time I feel catering for out door crowds most of the year round a good option. Or does it not matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, The Centaur said: HJ I am not quite clear. Were you at Avonhead or Pukekohe? With COVID fear around for some time I feel catering for out door crowds most of the year round a good option. Or does it not matter? I'm in chch so it was avonhead here. About 4? Years ago. Pre covid . Hj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: But @Brodie you scare them because unlike the BGP they know you have and will take them to the cleaners. all I ask is for the TAB to play fair! They restrict everyone to the same amount or have no restrictions! When a group like BGP can get hundred of thousands on and others are restricted to microscopic amounts is certainly is not a fair playing ground. They should take the good with the bad as they are a gambling monopoly in NZ for racing. I am up for the challenge but they aren’t which continues to be a disappointment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It sure doesn't take a big bet for the alarm bells to go off, and a cut in price. I agree with you Brodie, we should all be treated the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Brodie said: all I ask is for the TAB to play fair! They restrict everyone to the same amount or have no restrictions! When a group like BGP can get hundred of thousands on and others are restricted to microscopic amounts is certainly is not a fair playing ground. They should take the good with the bad as they are a gambling monopoly in NZ for racing. I am up for the challenge but they aren’t which continues to be a disappointment! BoysGet Paid started off with about a $1,000,000 Saturday invested for a large amount of players. The finish total was about 1/2 million , so all the players are refunded half their original stake. There was a lot of players so you are being tricked by the one leader title of BGP. very much bit like everyone being tricked rubbishing their political 'leaders' when it is the party behind the scenes that is the driver of a political party. Labor voted back in here but things still the same ... inflation.. cost of living ... yadda-yadda-yadda.... Casinos have a limit , but can invite high -rollers to 'behind closed doors ' big bets if they feel like it. You have to have a limit for Joe Blow punters though. Some would do there arse completely otherwise ??? more than who would win anyway. You might win Brodster (kerry Packer the 2nd you are 😂) but PLENTY would lose mate .NOT Good 😩. better to have a controlled outlay like those punters that pop some in with BGP. Way better discipline that way ,and they back GOOD horses too... good on em !!!!!!!!! i like them for the FUN they bring to the table 🏆😉💰🍟 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Gammalite said: BoysGet Paid started off with about a $1,000,000 Saturday invested for a large amount of players. The finish total was about 1/2 million , so all the players are refunded half their original stake. There was a lot of players so you are being tricked by the one leader title of BGP. very much bit like everyone being tricked rubbishing their political 'leaders' when it is the party behind the scenes that is the driver of a political party. Labor voted back in here but things still the same ... inflation.. cost of living ... yadda-yadda-yadda.... Casinos have a limit , but can invite high -rollers to 'behind closed doors ' big bets if they feel like it. You have to have a limit for Joe Blow punters though. Some would do there arse completely otherwise ??? more than who would win anyway. You might win Brodster (kerry Packer the 2nd you are 😂) but PLENTY would lose mate .NOT Good 😩. better to have a controlled outlay like those punters that pop some in with BGP. Way better discipline that way ,and they back GOOD horses too... good on em !!!!!!!!! i like them for the FUN they bring to the table 🏆😉💰🍟 BGP are great for racing Gamma! However, they are allowed on for hundreds of thousands and yet others are allowed on to win a few hundred? This Anti Money Laundering Bill excuse they use to ensure that the NZ TAB knows everyone that places bets of $1k or win $1k is a load of BS!!!!! Seriously, they reckon that someone that puts on a small amount and wins $1k is potentially a money launderer???? it is all about total control! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Brodie said: BGP are great for racing Gamma! However, they are allowed on for hundreds of thousands and yet others are allowed on to win a few hundred? I'm sure they could show the 'books' if you like to the TAB bloke taking the bet. EXAMPLE >>>Say BGP want $100,000 on a horse for 2000 BGP players. thats $500 each. surely the Tab still takes $500 on a gallops meeting? and might as well take it as one bet that piddling around listing the 2000 players one by one ??? can't see a problem with it myself. great publicity and all. 2 hours ago, Brodie said: This Anti Money Laundering Bill excuse they use to ensure that the NZ TAB knows everyone that places bets of $1k or win $1k is a load of BS!!!!! yeah .. definitely . these small amounts amongst hundreds of people is people having Fun on the horses. nothing to do with money laundering. BGP small fry in the global scheme of things. Star Casino in Sydney in real trouble with money Laundering with the HUGE spending Chinese trying to get absolute HUGE bets on , and get the money to China or where-ever. Huge amounts involved and they (Star) were investigated and were stopped trading at one stage last year. but have paid their way out of it somehow. A REAL problem now and going forward.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Takes balls to put a $39 000 bet on the quinnela of a race that legarto got beaten. I laughed at the result. I would never be involved in a punters club. Hj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 On 23/01/2023 at 11:56 AM, Honestjohn said: I've already said on here Tab treat their customers, well their best ones to treats like I mentioned somewhere here. Invited top punters to avonhead tavern where they were handed kit envelopes with vouchers containing credits etc, food and booze were handed out. About 100? Asked. I knew about 3or 4 , 1 guy surprised me. He was my bankng guy. BTW I punted every race with no return. Crowds looked amazing, seemed a great day out? Hj General admission was free on Saturday, and you would not call that a large crowd. The Women's Football at Eden Park attracted probably 4 times as many. NZ's Racing's most costly day after having to subsidise one of NZ's richest by $650k. It will be interesting this Saturday to see how many turn up at Trentham with $50 general admission. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Bloke said: General admission was free on Saturday, and you would not call that a large crowd. The Women's Football at Eden Park attracted probably 4 times as many. NZ's Racing's most costly day after having to subsidise one of NZ's richest by $650k. It will be interesting this Saturday to see how many turn up at Trentham with $50 general admission. The crowd I saw were all young with a lot of Doris s with little on. And drinking a lot. From a TV viewing perspective it looked a good day out. Hj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bloke said: General admission was free on Saturday, and you would not call that a large crowd. The Women's Football at Eden Park attracted probably 4 times as many. NZ's Racing's most costly day after having to subsidise one of NZ's richest by $650k. It will be interesting this Saturday to see how many turn up at Trentham with $50 general admission. I've never paid to go to the races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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