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They are looking to amend the wording of the Racing Act, so not so much rape, as unlawful entry

Just quoting the Messara Report

Wanganui – Venue with 11 race meetings in 2017/18. Good location. Training. Requires renovation of course proper and general facility improvements and landscaping. Leased/Freehold. Cromwell – Venue with 1 race meeting in 2017/18. Iconic one meeting venue. Fair location but growing population area. No training. Requires renovation of course proper, general facility improvements and landscaping. Leased. Both being retained Some should read the report before going off half cocked

Many punters would do this on an ad hoc basis, as opposed to a scientific. ie, Look at a horses price, think that is paying too much and has a better chance than that, so take the horse as overs. Garbage data in, garbage out

Thanks for that, very interesting. It all hinges though on your ability to rate the chances of each horse in a race.

Great thread thanks Further to VC's post about assessing form, how do you allow for undisclosed form, such as how well a horse is working. In Barry's post "Yesterday Espresso Martini at Ellerslie had heaps on it early which suggests a sharp punter had done the form, back it fixed elsewhere when first noticed and you are ahead of the steam." Would this not have been a case of people associated with the horse, knowing how well it was doing, and punting it early, as opposed to a sharp punter doing the form

Seemed pretty good, picking winners was not easy Barrier attendant in the last had a close shave

Won at this meeting last year also Omen bet My mother's name was Joy, and she was a Joy of joys

very clever

Could someone explain where an extra $59 mil will come from in a years time. 20k maidens, G1's 400k, G2 200k, G3 140k

And they're off: It's a new start for thoroughbred industry, says racing and breeding veteran 1 Dec, 2018 5:00am 9 minutes to read David Ellis pictured in 2012 at one of his regular haunts - the Karaka yearling sales. Photo / Richard Robinson By: Andrea Fox Business Reporter, NZ Herald andrea.fox@nzherald.co.nz The sun is coming out on New Zealand's near-$1 billion thoroughbred racing industry, out in the cold so long that one of its most successful businesses, David Ellis' Te Akau Racing, came within a nose of going overseas. The dominant New Zealand buyer at the annual Karaka yearling sales for many years, outlaying more than $80 million, Ellis says he came close to moving his nearly 40-year- old racing and syndication business, which spans the Waikato, Australia and Singapore. "We were so disappointed in the prize money and the Government's take, take, take," says the racehorse buyer, owner, breeder and bloodstock consultant. "Big clients wanted us to take our business to NSW and Victoria, and 18 months ago we were very close to it." But last year the thoroughbred industry found itself with a Beehive champion with real clout - coalition kingmaker and big racing fan, NZ First leader Winston Peters. As Minister of Racing, Peters wasted no time in alerting Kiwis to the perilous state of the racing and bloodstock breeding industry. Part of his deal for forming a Government with Labour was that the Provincial Growth Fund would stump up the money for three new all-weather racetracks – expected to cost about $30m in total – and this year he announced new tax rules for depreciation, to promote investment in thoroughbred breeding. Now there is light at the end of the tunnel, says Ellis, who is also principal of Te Akau Stud, a picturesque 1600 hectare horse, beef and sheep spread on the Waikato's west coast. Combined, the Te Akau Stud farming operation – which is made up of multiple adjoining properties and hosts up to 150 horses – and the New Zealand and overseas racing stables pull in annual revenue of more than $30m. Ellis reckons Peters' policies will spawn a doubling of prize money in the next year, rejuvenating interest in racing and breeding. Importantly, he says, breeders will be able to afford much-needed new international bloodlines. Total prize money for the thoroughbred racing code last year was just over $59m, according to NZ Thoroughbred Racing. It would have been "a huge loss" to New Zealand if Ellis had decamped, says former Auckland Racing Club chief executive Cameron George, now chief executive of The Warriors. "The industry can't afford to lose someone like David Ellis and his knowledge, professionalism and expertise," says George. "He's so passionate about the New Zealand racing industry and he not only demonstrates that domestically, but he's very vocal about it internationally." New Zealand Bloodstock managing director Andrew Seabrook says no one has done more for the industry here than Ellis when it comes to buying young horses, "on spec really", and drawing new people into the sport of kings by selling shares through syndication. "What he's done for the New Zealand industry is quite incredible. It would be a lot poorer without him." But now, Ellis is staying put. The punters, he says, are already responding to the new mood of optimism. "My wife Karyn and I have syndicated 57 horses in the past 11 months and we have over 155 new first-time owners and 800 investors. Horses have never sold so quickly. "There's a lot of interest in racing – [Auckland's] Soul Bar told me [last month's] Melbourne Cup day lunch was their most packed ever and Ellerslie had a great day. New Zealand Cup day at Riccarton was sold out." Ellis says former Finance Minister Bill English "certainly didn't get it" when it comes to the thrill and pageantry of racing and its "beautiful animals". "He was against gambling but he still gave $38m to the Rugby World Cup and he watched the final. There was way more gambled on that than on any race meeting in the history of New Zealand. "It's called the sport of kings, but it's been anything but in New Zealand. The racing industry is an important contributor to the economy and a huge employer of young people – just in our little business, we employ 85 people full time. "And we take a lot of tax from those people for the Government. We pay a fortune in GST, also collected for the Government. "Over the years, all Governments have done with racing is take, take, take." "Bad management" by the Racing Board has also contributed to the industry's slide over the past decade, he says. This is forceful talk for Ellis, widely considered a humble, warm and thoroughly genuine chap. He has a horror of being thought a braggart, or anything more than a cog in the Te Akau machine. Asked why there has been such strong interest in buying shares in Te Akau horses this year, and why the business has been successful, he says it's "probably" due to the stable's string of premiership race wins in New Zealand, Australia and Singapore. Immediately, he forbids the interviewer from making him sound "all I, I, I" or "showing off". But the fact is that horses Ellis has purchased have won more than 150 stakes races and he can claim more than 40 Group One race winners. Horses he has bought for syndication include Maroofity, Warhorse and War Affair, which were champion 2-year-olds in New Zealand and Singapore; Princess Coup and Darci Brahma, champion 2-year-old, champion 3-year-old and champion sprinter/miler - and that's to name only a few.

Hopeless isn't it Pete, glad I did not put any bets on, based on the forecast. The forecast is still showery though, on a G3 track, that in itself should have alarm bells ringing. In NZ racing that would be a recipe for a 50% chance of an abandonment

Well how about the new Ellerslie track Raining all day tomorrow in Auckland if the forecast is to be believed, so the first real test. An abandonment would be the last straw for some

31 to 18's for the Derby

Some good horses to come out of today's racing, Whiskey Neat, Rhinestone Cowboy and maybe Crown Prosecutor But what's the bet they get sold off, or race in Aus, so what's the incentive to go to the races to see journeyman horses, with the odd exception or two

As relatively big buyers of Bayer products, we got tickets, food and grog, all in the Bayer marquee, so we went every year, to see horses like Veandercross. It meant a 3am start from Auckland, as we drove done each year, but those were the days.

You have to factor in tradition. This day has always been on a Friday or Thursday, which suits the rural community a lot. Remember the whole day used to be sponsored by Bayer, a supplier of agricultural and horticultural chemicals, and therefore all the people they supplied got tickets and an invite to a feed and piss up. Always a big crowd on course

There was a time when this was the second most looked forward to day of the year, behind Boxing Day, we'd even take the day off and drive down from Auckland The very best 3 year olds all lining up Now it is just another average day Could they have f'ed it up more if they tried

Just a passionate follower(via the TAB), of NZ racing for a long long time. You know, the CUSTOMER of the racing industry, the PUNTER. If I may add, from someone outside the industry, looking in, what a wealth of knowledge that still exists within the industry about the thoroughbred. Still able to produce top class horses, trainers, jockeys and associated support workers, the guys that load the horses for instance BUT, there are a lot of parochial numbskulls, other than that, that would not have a clue, and you can see why racing is in the predicament it is, because of it

I'm never worried about any slagging off that I get, I understand the principle of give and take, but I decided a long time ago to never back down to an internet bully, and despite all the self proclaimed grandeur, that is all he is. Anyway, there is a certain amount of method in the madness, even with the risk of back firing, the user numbers appear to support that. It is not even 7 am and there are almost 70 users online, unheard of numbers, even as little as a month ago. But hey, I'll give it a rest, I have a busy week next week anyway

Very good with the play on TAS, Ian

3 year contract with Cronulla