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I'd challenge you DB to mention one good thing that happened in racing that didn't happen last century

If I recall correctly(a big if), he looked after the NZ Turf Register

B M Spooner was a chartered accountant for my sister, in the West Plaza building in downtown Auckland, and as you say, raced many horses. May still be around, easy enough to look up the website and get in touch

Care to frame a market Jess Meeting goes past R1 Meeting goes past R2 Meeting goes full programme

Stephen McKee comes across as a thoroughly nice guy, and he appears to accept culpability for his actions. Therefore any fine or reparation, I would say would be incidental to him. He has to live with what has happened to Sophia Malthus, even though it was not deliberate on his part, and that is going to be be very hard, even to the extent it impacts on him as a trainer. And that is not in any way disregarding the huge impact it has had on Sophia Malthus Why I called the thread A Tragic case in Many Ways

The response is all very mystifying. I'm pretty sure I only ever messaged one person on Racechat in the short time I was there(not even as Hesi), and it was pretty neutral. The only person I give a hard time to, is you guessed it........it's multi coloured

?? Now I'm confused

Just checked back through my messages, you must be confusing me with someone else, I've never contacted you privately

?? Just asked the below, nothing else "I'm intrigued to know, why one of you joined one site, and one joined the other, and how the decision was made of which one.....flip of a coin?"

Top racehorse trainer guilty over young rider's injury TIM MURPHY, NEWSROOM.CO.NZ Last updated 08:50 02/11/2018 Share BEVAN READ/STUFF Sophia Malthus' fall from a horse two years ago left her paralysed from the collar down, with some movement in her arms. BEVAN READ/STUFF Malthus broke her spine in several places. BEVAN READ/STUFF Malthus has made an acclaimed documentary about her experience, "Bulletproof", on the Attitude series on TVNZ. This story was first published on Newsroom.co.nz and is republished with permission. Leading racehorse trainer Stephen McKee faces penalties of up to $300,000 after pleading guilty to endangering a young rider who fell from a horse on her first training ride and was made a tetraplegic. McKee, of Mt Eden, has been prosecuted by WorkSafe under the Health and Safety at Work Act over the injury to then 19-year-old Sophia Malthus which has left her paralysed from the collar down, with some movement in her arms. No conviction was entered after his guilty plea in the Auckland District Court and it is likely McKee will face a restorative justice conference and likely be ordered to pay reparations to Malthus and a fine. Her victim statement said: "I worry about what Stephen thinks of me and I hope he does not hate me for what happened." Experts consulted by WorkSafe found Malthus was not competent to have been put in charge of a racehorse at the Alfriston training track in July 2016, having been given no formal training, being not riding fit and having only ridden quiet horses and never at a gallop. A horse rider since the age of seven, her formal riding before the incident involved eight, half-hour private lessons paid for by her parents at a Palmerston North facility involving quiet, older horses in a different environment. On the morning of the accident, she lost control of the fast-moving horse after one lap of McKee's cinder track and as she screamed it ran faster before she fell, hitting a perimeter fence and breaking her spine in multiple places. In her victim impact statement provided to the court, Malthus said she realised she'd broken her back as she lay on the track and remembers asking those who raced to help her not to tell her mother "as I thought she wouldn't be able to handle it". She has had three operations and now lives on accident compensation payments in a cabin at her parents' property, with 24-hour carers, uses a wheelchair and is frequently ill and unable to care for herself. "I cannot even blow my nose by myself. I need help for everything," her victim statement said. "Nothing in life is easy any more. I never have a break from the disability, which is the worst." Malthus, now 21, said: "There's never a shortage of things to cry about. Ever. But I would rather not think about it ... or I get depressed." McKee's guilty plea was to a charge of exposing an individual to risk of serious harm or death. WorkSafe argued he had a duty to ensure Malthus' safety under the law, that he failed to ensure she was sufficiently competent. He had cooperated with the investigation and had no previous record of offences under the Health and Safety legislation. WorkSafe said the trainer thought the horse he had given Malthus that morning was "ideal" although he had not seen her ride, assuming her private lessons had been sufficient. The young rider has made an acclaimed documentary, "Bulletproof", on the Attitude series on TVNZ, which has been viewed almost 700,000 times on YouTube and made headlines both here and in Australia. In the programme, she returns to the McKee stables and meets the horse involved. "I don't have anything against the horse. I just want to win money on him," she says. Of her love of horses, she says: "All I wanted to do was get on a horse and go fast. It was a way I could feel free." This story was first published on Newsroom.co.nz and is republished with permission.

It's no secret that Mrs Rowley is La Zip on the multi coloured flip flop site. I'm intrigued to know, why one of you joined one site, and one joined the other, and how the decision was made of which one.....flip of a coin?

Would they be prepared to eliminate a horse owned by NZ racing royalty, Sir Patrick and Lady Hogan

"The conditions of the 2018 Lexus Melbourne Cup provide for the VRC Board, at its discretion, to eliminate a horse(s) from the final field of 24 in certain circumstances. The conditions DO NOT provide for the promotion of a horse(s) into the field. If such discretionary elimination does occur, replacement of such horse(s) will be according to the normal balloting order with the next horse(s) in the order of entry making its way into the final field of 24. In this regard horses outside the top 24 will not be promoted over other horses."

I see also James McDonald on Brimham Rocks

Going to be an anxious couple of days for the connections of Zacada and Charles Road, probably no chance, but just running in the MC would be right up there Thinkin Big a good chance in the Derby 10 of 13 in the Lexus, behind them in qualifying order

2018 LEXUS MELBOURNE CUP [GROUP 1] 2nd Acceptances Elimination Order as at October 31st, 2018 1 BEST SOLUTION (IRE) (Saeed bin Suroor) 5 h 57.5 2 AVILIUS (GB) (James Cummings) 5 g 54.5 3 ACE HIGH (David Payne) 4 h 55.0 4 THE CLIFFSOFMOHER (IRE) (Aidan O'Brien) 5 h 56.5 5 MAGIC CIRCLE (IRE) (Ian Williams) 7 g 56.0 6 WHO SHOT THEBARMAN (NZ) (Chris Waller) 10 g 55.5 7 TOSEN BASIL (JPN) (Darren Weir) 7 h 55.5 8 MUNTAHAA (IRE) (John Gosden) 6 g 55.5 9 CHESTNUT COAT (JPN) (Yoshito Yahagi) 5 h 55.5 10 SOUND CHECK (GER) (Michael Moroney) 6 h 55.5 11 ROSTROPOVICH (IRE) (Aidan O'Brien) 4 h 51.0 12 MARMELO (GB) (Hughie Morrison) 6 h 55.0 13 CROSS COUNTER (GB) (Charlie Appleby) 4 g 51.0 14 YOUNGSTAR (Chris Waller) 4 m 51.5 15 YUCATAN (IRE) (Aidan O'Brien) 5 h 54.5 16 VENGEUR MASQUE (IRE) (Michael Moroney) 7 g 54.0 17 VENTURA STORM (IRE) (Hayes, Hayes and Dabernig) 6 g 54.0 18 RED CARDINAL (IRE) (Darren Weir) 7 g 54.0 19 AUVRAY (FR) (Richard Freedman) 8 g 54.0 20 RED VERDON (USA) (Ed Dunlop) 6 h 54.0 21 FINCHE (GB) (Chris Waller) 5 h 54.0 22 RUNAWAY (Gai Waterhouse and Adrian Bott) 4 r 52.0 23 SIR CHARLES ROAD (O'Sullivan and Scott) 5 g 53.0 24 ZACADA (NZ) (Baker and Forsman) 6 g 53.0 25 NAKEETA (GB) (Iain Jardine) 8 g 53.0 26 SOLE IMPACT (JPN) (Hirofumi Toda) 7 h 53.0 27 MISS ADMIRATION (Mick Price) 4 m 50.0 28 A PRINCE OF ARRAN (GB) (Charlie Fellowes) 6 g 53.0 29 LIBRAN (IRE) (Chris Waller) 8 g 53.0 30 TRAP FOR FOOLS (Jarrod McLean) 5 g 53.0 31 PRIZE MONEY (GB) (Saeed bin Suroor) 6 g 52.5 32 GALLIC CHIEFTAIN (FR) (Darren Weir) 5 h 52.5 33 LORD FANDANGO (GER) (Archie Alexander) 6 h 52.5 34 DAL HARRAILD (GB) (Maher and Eustace) 6 g 52.5 35 MEGABLAST (NZ) (Darren Weir) 6 g 52.5 36 WALL OF FIRE (IRE) (Maher and Eustace) 6 h 52.5 37 PATRICK ERIN (NZ) (Chris Waller) 7 g 52.0 (inc 2.0kg pen) 38 RISING RED (NZ) (Busuttin and Young) 5 g 51.0 39 NORTHWEST PASSAGE (Waterhouse and Bott) 5 g 50.5 40 BRIMHAM ROCKS (GB) (Chris Waller) 5 g 50.0 41 YOGI (NZ) (Darren Weir) 6 g 50.0 42 JAAMEH (IRE) (Hayes, Hayes & Dabernig) 6 g 50.0 43 MIDTERM (GB) (Liam Howley) 6 g 50.0 SIXTIE'S GROOVE (IRE) (Darren Weir) 6 g 50.5 -9.0 Not passed ballot AZURO (FR) (Darren Weir) 5 g 50.0 -9.5 Not passed ballot THINKIN' BIG (Waterhouse and Bott) 3 c 49.0 -9.5 Not passed ballot TOTAL : 46 (Withdrawn Duretto) Blue In the Lexus Stakes Red In the Derby

If things are good, then between NZRB and NZTR they could organise it so someone publishes weekly meeting and wagering data so people can analyze and draw their own conclusions

GETTY IMAGES The Lance O'Sullivan and Andrew Scott trained Charles Road looks the most likely of the Kiwi-trained runners to gain a start in this years Melbourne Cup. SUPPLIED/RACING VICTORIA Lance O'Sullivan with Charles Road, the Melbourne Cup and Sheila Laxon who trained Ethereal to win the race in 2001. GETTY IMAGES The Murray Baker and Andrew Forsman trained Zacada is in danger of missing a start in the Melbourne Cup. GETTY IMAGES The New Zealand-owned Patrick Erin will likely have to win Saturday's Lexus Stakes to win the Melbourne Cup. A third placing for Charles Road in the Bendigo Cup has catapulted him over fellow Kiwi horse Zacada and into 23rd spot in the order of entry for the Melbourne Cup. However the result leaves the Lance O'Sullivan and Andrew Scott trained Charles Road, who races as Sir Charles Road in Australia, vulnerable to missing a start as he needed a win on Wednesday evening to earn a penalty that could have pushed him further up the list. As it stands, with Saturday's Lexus Stakes winner exempt from a ballot and Victoria Derby favourite Thinkin' Big a chance to run if he wins on Saturday, Charles Road - with 53kg in the Cup - remains reliant on luck to earn a place in Tuesday's race as does the Murray Baker and Andrew Forsman trained Zacada. Twenty four horses will start the iconic race at Flemington. However, the news that Duretto had been withdrawn from the Cup bolstered the Kiwi pairs chances. The Chris Waller-trained Patrick Erin, a former Kiwi horse who remains in New Zealand ownership, was scratched from the Bendigo Cup after recording an elevated temperature, with connections to determine later in the week whether he tries to gain a start through the Lexus Stakes, with the winner exempt from any ballot for the race. Patrick Erin had already received a penalty after winning the Metropolitan Handicap in September but began Wednesday in 38th in the order of entry. Another New Zealand owned horse trained by Chris Waller, Who Shot Thebarman, is guaranteed a start on Tuesday. Local horse Red Alto caused a boilover in the Bendigo Cup, winning despite starting unfancied at 70-1. Imported stayer Dal Harraild finished second but remains outside the top 30 in the order of entry for the Melbourne Cup having had just two starts in Australia for Ciaron Maher and David Eustace. The Archie Alexander-trained Lord Fandango finished fourth in a blanket finish, dashing Alexander's hopes that the horse might win and earn a penalty to move up the order of the Cup. Alexander indicated this week he would keep his Melbourne Cup options open for the six-year-old if he ran a place in the Bendigo Cup however he looks highly unlikely to gain a start. The Lexus Stakes shapes as the last chance for several horses to make the Melbourne Cup field with A Prince of Arran, Gallic Chieftain and Sole Impact among the potential starters in the race. - The Age

8602 Gallops posts 5849 Harness posts Minor compared to the 185,677 Gallops posts on the multi coloured flip flop site, but they've been going since Adam was a boy, and you need to chop about about half of that, as all the comps are run on the Gallops site

Been quiet the last day or so. That happens, not been a lot on lately, particularly in NZ thoroughbred circles. Don't really want to manufacture topics for the sake of it Calm before the storm, maybe? Just remember though, these sites are enriched by the contributions and views of many and varied posters, not just a few

Been consistently ahead with online users most of the morning. That "Premier Community" claim will be misleading soon

What do you call someone who doesn't meet their prior dues, but overtly spends up large to make themselves look wonderful? What do you call someone who blames other people for their own inadequacies? What do you call a man with rabbits up his bum?

https://www.racing.com/news/2018-10-31/atl-wednesday-recap

Good clarification Jess, some are more modest than others.