Joe Bloggs

Without sounding like a broken record...yes, I am........those of you that run a business, or have run a business know that to do so and employ staff etc you have to have a line of credit with the bank......to do so you have to show a financial projection plan and your liabilities and assets. This is to pacify the banker that should your forward projection not come to fruition, well, they have a recourse where they can garnishee the assets to recover their 'investment' in you. NZTR/RITA have no assets, well they didn't, do they now have a line of credit that encompasses all the racecourses surplus to needs? Have they gone cap in hand to their banker to show ''we are now flush and can cover any losses should they occur''? this could be......it may not be....but where is the money coming from to finance next years racing.......no one will answer that....well to me anyway......so what to do with the horses in work at the moment.....shall my Missus and I wait until we get an honest answer....will it be viable for an owner to race a few.......or walk, sell, or send to Oz......any help welcomed, as I don't trust Petone.....they are incapable and dishonest.....

That Mumbles is the 64million dollar question.

Sorry, can I add, my suggestions were in reaction to the infamous Purcell Papers that announced the fabulous future for racing in NZ.....those facts, projections and statement were proved to be a fallacy, sheer fabrication, not Purcell's fault, but when I look back on it, you could see or feel the disbelief in Purcells delivery. The culture in Petone is damning, even though the lies and deception continue today the management is still basically the same, the only changes of note were and are the mouthpieces, Saundry in my opinion the worst in a long line of abject failures, albeit a rich failure riding on the broken back of a once proud steed.

About 10 years + ago I mooted on the once great Channel X that NZ could establish a breakout racing industry, hard yes, impossible no.....based on the magnificent Kerry Packer pyjama cricket concept, that was laughed at and chaffed at. Imagine if every/or nearly every club in NZ got together with great owners/trainers and jockeys that were prepared to do it? With the emergence of the corporate bookmakers [look at the sponsorship of so many racecourses in Oz] a direct deal with offshore betting agencies would have locked in prizemoney of reasonable levels. Was it tangible? I think it could have been, simply, it would have shaken the hierarchy to their bootstraps, with the exception of Nathan Guy who could sleep though a R8 Earthquake, and at the very least bought about change before all this hit the skids. It wouldn't work now as the product is not worth betting on, and for people like moi that remember those wonderful days of yore, it's so very sad........how theses remaining executives at RITA and NZTR hold their collective heads up is beyond me, if anyone can name just one that deserves firstly to still be there and second on the salaries they are paid please let me know.....I'll be first to apologise to them.....but I think we all know that isn't going to happen.

You've obviously misread my intent, I was using punting a gov as an analogy? an election, a democratic way to change things.....that can't happen in NZ Racing as they have tenure of employment, and how did that happen? If anyone can enlighten me I would be most grateful. Of course we have had terrible governments here, most countries have, but our racing in general is run openly [especially NSW] and transparently, QLD is an exception, but we are on to the bastards, just read www.peterprofit.com. Whilst Archie has a colourful past, he is married to a Kiwi and spent a lot of time there, but here is a stirrer of renown, not always right, but he can pick a rort a mile off, and let's face it, this bullshit cover up masquerading as an EOFY report. should bring them all down, creative accountants inc....IMO.

Saundry was a dud here, he's a dud there, he's a serial dud.......the bloke who hired him was and is a dud still so it proved you lot were well and truly dudded. With a dud government you can punt them at the ballot box, this lot it appears have tenure of employment and therein lays your major problem. Until accountability is accepted and policed this behaviour will continue.

The rider on your Nathan gave the others a masterclass me thinks, but the track stinks, and that Mills bloke masquerading as a manager couldn't manage David Beckham. You're just meant to rock up and hope the track races ok, that's honkey dory as long as you're an attrition trainer, God help the rest.....oh, and the pro punter if there are any left.

Oh cmon Chief, what about Bernards facebook posts? they are WFA material, Cox Plate stuff, be fair.

Sadly you need intelligence to do that, sadly it's missing, sad to say, it's a sad situation.

Is Peter Foster the auditor by chance.....if you don't know who Peter Foster is, try google.

I'm moving all my horses back to NZ.......it's going to be a utopia.........

Thanks Freda, at least a ceiling is applied, however, if the winner is exported I fear the hcper here will look at the opposition the winner beat and apply the hip accordingly. Chatting to a metro trainer, he said same, as soon as we hear more here I'll let you know.

I could have said Ratings WTF.......I'm confused, [not hard] I see trainers are running 60 rating horses against in some cases R90's.........and so forth.......way out of their ratings bands........so that will surely stuff your chance's of winning a few? would it not? Done though desperation I would have thought, and in some cases thwart any chance of selling the horses onto Oz ....not Asia I realise that. The handicapping and Ratings system have been a joke for years, but this is just mind numbing........I have no idea how the Handicapper in VIC/NSW/BNE will fathom all this, a 2 win horse thats won 15/16k arriving into Oz and being assessed as an almost open co horse as it beat a R90 field.....it makes no sense, why not go back to class racing, like we used to........it's not rocket science, and good luck to all the poor owners and trainers that are now up against the wall with the firing squad at the ready! Fuckwitism is the growth industry of the 21st century.

Any truth in the rumour it is being replaced by a dwarf throwing comp somewhere on the Waterfront?

By the way, are they funding the Karaka Squillions this year? You know, the race where they steal 500k of the industries money to prop up their mates big gig? x 2!!! How they got away with that for years is beyond me, did everyone get caught up in the moment?

What's a surplus asset? Gee I'd kill for one of those!

Sorry, plies.....

Politely, surely there is a legal eagle who would pro-bono an assistance in dissecting all this........an owner, who pays their trade at the bar......surely?

I'm going back a wee way, but the poster was a regular who berated some poor bugger for saying same as you....called him out, but why? The bastards ripped off the punter for years, not bookies arseholes, they couldn't frame a painting never mind a market.....give em heaps I say, but deaf ears, while the head honcho's stay there on sickening salaries they have no credibility, we know it they know it, bet up with the Aussies/Poms......at least it's competitive and a service provided.

You've said it all, but not enough!!!!

Gee, on the rat cafe there is a bloke saying shame on you, thinksters like you are killing the tab he says, deserter he says.......fair weather sailor is the insinuation,..........aren't they lovely those people? You were done over royally by an inept bunch of arseholes that couldn't rig a one ticket lottery.......good on you, until they show some transparency and fiduciary responsibility tell them to go f%^k themselves.

There must be no self esteem in that RITA place, even the cartel must be nervous and that's saying something.

NZ is ripe for the plucking by cheats, an RIU with no credibility, doesn't pre race test, and QLD not far behind them!!

Google Paulick Report, that's the go to info.

No need to apologise, it's the masking agent that's causing the problem Chief, the bicarb top ups, the methodology and such.....let's be hypothetical? A racing jurisdiction that doesn't pre-race test leaves itself open to rorting, lets look at the Aquanita scenario, Raceday top ups, what else was in that top up, was it to hide something else......ITPP is a red cell booster, that in all sense is a go fast, google the Saudi Cup, and the two high profile USA trainers, the FBI are all over this, it's not only Maximum Security the winner it's string of high profile trainers in the States and the FBI have contacted the AUS Feds to advise there are links from the suppliers to some name trainers here in Oz, Harness included.......20 trainers in USA including Jason Servis the trainer of MS. Hope this helps.