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Imperatriz scares a few off! Good draw in Manikato.
Gammalite replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
Com'on Holy Rav . have a crack at it . What ya got ?? it's piece of cake ๐ Imperatriz 1, I Am Me (Jmac)2, Uncommon James 3, Buenos Noches4, Jigsaw5, The Inferno6, I am War 7th and last ๐๐ฐ bookies have paid out already. -
The 'Alligator' (former Queenslander ๐๐) to lead them all the way !! with Militarize with no weight on him and Mr Brightside with his Gun barrier draw at 2, are the placers !!!
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Maybe they were looking for the Best Angle you to see how wide Aardie's Express was in Race 10 for the first 1000m .๐ Quiet trip out there 4 wide before cruising to the lead for Tim before the last quarter , and slipping away by 7 lengths in Armalight like fashion....... Could be the next big thing ? (well not beating AKUTA anyway ), did you see him go yesterday ? circling the Open class field from last , sit outside them , and power on to victory in Gammalite like fashion. (Cold Chisel as well yesterday !!) great run by him. Some great horses and racing at Ashburton yesterday . Absolutely breath-taking performances. oh .... yeah the drone coverage? . good for showing in replays after the race maybe ??
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thanks fr that mate . and here's another Barry Lichter article too .... from 2 years ago to tell what ultimately happened. It's very sad to me . (that trotting ruined by Property developement dreams in the great city of Auckland ) Ironically , Kevin Seymour , a QLD property developer fought Hard , to have our track at ALBION PARK , Brisbane 'Not developed' and still trading as a trotting course , bless him. Here's the article . It's a bit long . But so is the tragedy of it All !!!!!!! ๐ฅฒ Who got what in the ATC v Canam building dispute finally revealed 11 December 2021 in International, New Zealand 0 The Auckland Trotting Club will continue legal action to try to recover some of the $100 million lost in the building of its apartment complex. But when the harness racing club finally reveals details of its long-running dispute with construction company Canam at next Wednesdayโs annual general meeting, president Rod Croon will be assuring members it will not be pouring millions more into the bid. The clubโs accounts show more than $6 million has been spent on legal fees since it dismissed Canam in July, 2018, after a slew of problems, with many believing the cost has been even higher. <span style=text decoration underline><strong>Auckland Trotting Club Apartment complex<strong><span> And even though Canam is now in liquidation, the club has indicated it plans to pursue the companyโs directors personally, along with quantity surveyors, project managers, engineers and even its solicitors. The final wash-up cost the ATC incurred as a result of the Canam debacle has just been certified by the clubโs contract engineer and while the exact figure cannot be revealed before it is lodged with the arbitrator and the High Court it runs into tens upon tens of millions. In August, three years after Canam sued the ATC, the arbitrator made a first interim award but it did not favour Canam as that companyโs liquidator misleadingly quoted in its first report using information provided solely by directors Loukas Petrou and Stephen Jones. Canam was awarded $933,283 mainly in relation to extensions of time and contract variations but it failed in 15 of the 18 clauses and a far bigger sum, $2,496,108, was awarded to the trotting club, with rights being reserved for future determination of the full amount after the final costs were known. Canam told the liquidator while it was awarded โa large sumโ it could not collect until a counter claim by the club was heard and it could not justify spending money it did not have with the result uncertain. The ATC tells a far different story. Canam had failed to give the club a parent company guarantee from Canam Group Ltd. as required in the contract and when ordered to by the arbitrator in a second award it immediately wound up the company, hiding under the corporate veil. The club claims its Christchurch lawyers Lane Neave should have picked up the key omission and thatโs why it is included on its list of targets, proceedings having already been filed in the High Court. The ATC will promise members it will not be spending another $6 million on the case but will approach it on a contingency basis. While there will be some basic costs, substantive fees will only be payable if there is a successful result. The ATC denies it offered Canam money to drop its case against the club, as claimed in the liquidatorโs report. โWe offered to settle both before and part way through the arbitration. We said letโs walk away, everybody bears their own costs,โ an ATC source said. โThe club had its back against the wall. If it didnโt defend, Canam would have got judgement and taken all its assets.โ Fears expressed at original meeting Members at next weekโs meeting are sure to remind the ATC board of the fears expressed about the numerous pitfalls of property development at the original special general meeting in November, 2014 when it was announced the club would run the project itself, rather than take a smaller guaranteed profit by paying someone else to build the apartments. But the then president Kerry Hoggard, on whose property expertise the board was relying, died in October, 2015, less than two months after the first sod was turned. From the outset Canam encountered problems with the foundations. Unstable volcanic rock forced the clubโs engineers Engenium to fill cavernous holes with concrete and to use piles instead of concrete bases under each column of steel, at an extra cost of more than $5 million, putting the build a year behind schedule. Meanwhile the Australian company Ganellen, hired to construct two more apartment buildings, had even worse problems with its foundations. In April, 2018, the Auckland City Council ordered a halt to all work on both projects, citing issues with the steel, bought from China, and breaches of the building consent through lack of inspections. It took three months to resolve the issue. While the parties bickered about who was responsible, questions arose on why the club had engaged Engenium, whose engineer Alan Reay designed the Christchurch CTV building that collapsed during the February, 2011 earthquake, killing 115 people. Reay escaped charges but was later criticised by a Royal Commission. The trotting clubโs steel was supplied by Reayโs long-time associate property developer Bert Govanโs Challenge Steel which later went into liquidation owing $10 million. Unhappy with Canamโs progress on the job, the ATC terminated Canamโs contract in July, 2018, and appointed another Auckland company, CMP Construction, spending many millions correcting Canamโs mess. Another major disruption that cost millions and months to fix came when the wrong cladding was put up on the buildings and had to be pulled down and replaced. Ganellen also took a case against the ATC, believed to be for more than $13 million for lost time and variations to its contract. Despite repeated assurances from its legal advisors that the club would win, the judgements came back in favour of Ganellen and the club ended up paying out an undisclosed amount in a mediated settlement. Insiders believe much of the legal fee haemhorraging could have been avoided had the club sat down and discussed the issues with its contractors, rather than pointed guns at each other. ATC directors served with legal papers Unknown to its members, Ganellen served every director on the board with legal papers, saying they could be personally liable for acting unreasonably in not trying to work out a solution. But, according to one inside source, perhaps the most costly decision the board made in its naievity over property development, was not taking the chance to mitigate its losses when various sunset clauses were activated after the project fell years behind schedule. With all the delays and with costs of labour and materials rising, most savvy property developers would have revised the price of the apartments to more like market level. The units had already risen in value by 20 to 30% over the years so investors would not have suffered. President Bruce Carter, however, was determined to honour the clubโs word to buyers, passing on the chance to recoup tens of millions of dollars, the suggestion also that he feared people might choose to walk away and a glut of apartments would come up for resale. Ultimately, it appears the turnaround on a project initially projected to earn the club $48 million, came down to a lack of construction expertise on the board, though many sitting round the table were reportedly often never privy to dispute details, handled by a dominant president and CEO. The project was developed and managed by CEO Dominique Dowding, who had no experience in property development when she came to the club in 2012 after seven years as the sales, marketing, events and entertainment manager at the Christchurch Town Hall. Dowding, who was also responsible for the investment, funding and all legal and financial reporting, won the Auckland Property Councilโs inaugural Women in Property Award in 2016 for her ongoing leadership on the significant urban village. A citation at the time said: โAs chief executive, Ms Dowding has led the boardโs strategic turn-around of the 126-year-old iconic Auckland Trotting Club to put it on a more commercial footing, ensuring its long-term financial sustainability and the survival of harness racing in the northern region. Dowding left the club in March, 2019. The 246 apartment development, which realised $295 million in sales, was finally finished this year, four years after its scheduled completion. By Barry Lichter
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So they sold the Franklin Facility , that was used for decades at Pukekohe , and used by 20 local and 20 visiting trainers All the time. And now need to build a faciltiy elsewhere ? Can they just buy Franklin training back again ?? lol ๐. another tragedy in the ATC scheme of things past 10 years. ๐ There was KUMEU ?? wonder if track still operating ? Only about 25km from city , so way closer to Alex Park than the long Franklin trip these days . most Trainers would love living in Massey ?๐๐
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Is 1400m too far for a Sprinter ? some famous Group 1 winners didn't take it on very often ??? Nature Strip never raced out that far . 1200m and less.... (22 wins from 44 race starts) Black Caviar one start at 1400m , 1st in the CF Orr Stakes by 3 lengths . ( 25 from 25 lifetime ) Takeover Target , 7 starts at 1400m for 3 wins . ( 21 wins from 41 starts overall ) Schillaci , maybe he's the best ? Not just winning the Lightning, Oakleigh and the Newmarket but also took out the Futurity at 1400 and the George Ryder 1500m at Rosehill . (1/2 length 2nd in the Straddie too with 58kg retirement race ๐) (16 wins from 36 overall)
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wondered what you were referring too here . V'Landys was a bigWig at Harold Park for 15 years before going to the gallops. Organising the Miracle Miles by the Look of it . Fred Kersley is a Rolls Royce lol.. did take a few wins with Northerly at the gallops , including 2 Cox Plates (that time of year again lol) so that is Very 'Rolls Royce' like achievement ๐๐. quote V'Landys here >>> ''I remember inviting Jack Morris to the 1992 Miracle Mile when he was an unknown to trotting fans outside Western Australia. I rang the owners and said to them, 'We want to invite your horse to the Miracle Mile but it is on the proviso that Fred Kersley drives it rather than the trainer-driver Sean Harney'. They argued a bit and I said to them, 'Why would you use a Mini-Minor when you have a Rolls-Royce in garage?' About half-hour later, a bloke rang and said, 'It's the Mini-Minor here'. Sean was a great bloke and really made the race that year.''
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Is that your mate Jack Morris ?? (who's in the gig ?) , who won at AlbionPark as well ? beating Blossom Lady and Christopher Vance I think got the placings . I was there for that one . they were close to winning it after winning heats the 2 Nz champs. Think Blossom Lady won a whole heap of heats over 5 Interdom Finals actually without taking the BIG prize . JACK MORRIS burned them All off here .won all 3 heats ? He was way too good anyway ๐
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yes indeed , that was what i was thinking earlier. The building industry has way too many things that can go wrong. The Alexandra Park 346 apartments have had a whole shitload of them . Yes it is very hard to bet /enjoy Queensland racing. They go round that often the Handicapper has the fields exactly even so there's never a Standout IMO. I only watch it at Constellation Carnival each Winter when the good horses turn up, and the Group races are on for 6 weeks . This year we have the Interdominion however (my favourite Subject ) so will be todelling along to Albion in December to enjoy a bit of that for 3 weeks . will be excellent !!!! Yulestar form there, Won the last one here (Pacers) . and the 2001 Interdom trot went to Take A moment , from Mountain Gold and Special Force A New Zealand Trifecta !!!! I remember getting that one . maybe again this year ? ๐๐
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Whatta tragedy . The original President of the club that was the main Businessman involved with the $200 million property developement died as the project got under way . So the rest of the ATC board has been shoved around ever since , by shonky company developers once the Captain of the ship Kerry Hoggard passed away. Doomed to Fail after that ๐ซ Such a shame Trotting ruined at Auckland by 'housing'. Who the hell would want to live in a one bedroom apartment with no space for $800,000 anyway ? madness...... here's a clipping from a very sad to read article, late 2021 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fears expressed at original meeting Members at next weekโs meeting are sure to remind the ATC board of the fears expressed about the numerous pitfalls of property development at the original special general meeting in November, 2014 when it was announced the club would run the project itself, rather than take a smaller guaranteed profit by paying someone else to build the apartments. But the then president Kerry Hoggard, on whose property expertise the board was relying, died in October, 2015, less than two months after the first sod was turned.
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I think the margins were all pretty 'Clear Cut' Chief. The closest being between Buenos Noches and Shinzo 8th and 9th . a neck or so .... Amazingly the field finished in order of ability on the day really . (as opposed to luck in the running or lack of , etc) I should of put the $10,000,000 mare Alcohol Free last , as squeaked into the field last minute , and wasn't going that well at all really , (compared to her rivals that is) I'm sure a lot of the entries would of had her in last position.
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I'm not surprised some one got it ??. The 5 favoured runners were up the front at the line . The 5 least favoured runners at the back. wasn't that hard . The ones I wrote down were >>>>>>>> ThinkAbout It 1,In Secret 2,IwishIWin 3, Espiona 4, PrivateEye 5, HawaiiFiveOh 6, Cylinder 7, Buenos Noches 8, AlcoholFree 9, Shinzo 10, Overpass 11, Mazu 12. I was too generous to my outsider pick Espiona , but Most players wouldn't of been.... so wasn't too far out really.๐ How did your Combo Go ?? THE WINNING COMBO WAS >> ThinkAbout It 1, IwishIWin 2, PrivateEye 3, In Secret 4, Cylinder 5, HawaiiFiveOh 6, Espiona 7, Buenos Noches 8, Shinzo 9, Overpass 10, Mazu 11, Alcohol Free 12.
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Another Steward that knows all about riding a horse!
Gammalite replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
just as well all horses don't change ground on their own like that . would be a bit chaotic lol.. Bloke on a ladder ? can't see him in the overhead ?. I can't remember blokes on ladders on the in-field at Caulfield anytime. ya wouldn't think in this day and age, they would be that silly ๐. looks like he gave the 2nd , 3rd and 4th placegetters a bit of a fright himself anyway... sometimes horses can get on the wrong leg , or run erratic if they feel like it . like any good teenager lol... -
Yes I have no doubt that Emma Stewart and partner Clayton (as well as Grimson ) and even Purdons and especially McCarthy's and Dunn's (with 2 or 3 of the boys from those families based in the states with the latest knowhow all comes from ) would have the ability and funds and important connections to have the latest treatment, and horse training protocols/method going. therefore they are more successful than those regular around them. Funnily enough Emma Stewart has a lot more regular owners than say Purdon or even Grant Dixon with Leap To Fame even (who trains 80 horses for 3 millionaire owners basically ) A lot of Mark and Nathans winners over the years have been basically the same Millionaire owners. that Victorian Lady Fiess and that . When will they ever be satisfied ? Emma Stewart has a lot of fairly regular people owners . I find that nice . Act Now the Vic Cup winner (and also the Vic Oaks winner for Emma last night had quite a pleasant chap and his wife there as owners) . I love seeing some regular folk win too. so that was nice. only more likely to win if they their horse with the best/leading barns though. I find it fun watching some try to bridge the gap . you see it with Telfers, and we have Grimson lol... Love ones (horses) like 'Gammalite' or 'Village Kid' of gallops 'Takeover Target' or 'Vo Rogue' as those ones it was ALL horse Ability and NOT what stable they were in. those days are GONE, and Usually, just like that GOLDOLPHIN mob and that Te AKAU mb at the big gallops , the feature races will Fall to the BIG Guns and Millionaire operators. Allstars and Emma Stewart (Hall stable in the west) BTW (The Real Sherlock stopped in the Derby , as alas has had a heart malfunction/arrythmia of some kind ) bit of a shame as was primed to win and went out tote favourite in the end .
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Bad Luck Mr Galah . Emma Stewart Strikes Again.... !!!!!! She's too good mate. Greg Sugars did his best for the NZ nation and Purdon stable, taking The Real Sherlock to the lead . But he stopped to a walk the last quarter unfortunately.๐ช And EMMA engages the 2 Champion NSW drivers for her horses ๐ณ wow wee >>> Cam Hart and Luke McCarthy .. and they run 1st and 2nd !!!! in the Blue Riband Victoria Derby. Petracca (Hart) wins from Perfect Class (McCarthy lucky pick up drive)
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Greg Sugars is on fire so far . at Melton tonight with the 5 Group 1's on. Won with Rakero Rebel (was that Dalgety's ?) early in night paying $50. Greg has Won the first Group 1 , The Victoria Trotters Oaks with a 10/10 drive to beat the Hot Fav. SHE'sRUBY ROO winning . The 2 New Zealand trotters ran unplaced unfortunately. Shez Bella(Ferguson) and Virginia Clowers (Donnolly) Greg says THE REAL SHERLOCK is a Real Chance tonight in the Derby too. (live on TV tonight being interviewed after that trotters Oaks) Has the pole draw in the Victoria Cup too with BETTER ECLIPSE . should nearly win .
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How about the jockey too. Chucked in for 6 months and nearly went off the grid , but kicked again !! well done to Clipperton.๐ And the trainer . Joe Pride with 1st and 3rd . absolutely outstanding training effort. Will be a great celebration for that stable !!
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There was a terminating Pick 6 though .. that must of been local . would the people who put there's on yesterday got it then from the big pool ? It Paid $2083. unlucky not to be Nz cause would of got it with the 4 Allstars runners winning 66% of it lol ๐. ๐
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Holey Pasta must have layed this horse at $1.01
Gammalite replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
A horse in the Silver Eagle million dollar race tomorrow (the race after the Everest) has had huge betting plunges on it , at it's last 3 starts . and ran 2nd every time in QLD. A mate here who managed 2 TABs until recently said it had systematic betting in pubs and clubs all round the country on those 3 occasions since it won the Gold Coast Guineas in May. Yellow Brick has cost them well into 6 figures he said. It came up against Everest runner Hawaii Five O and the recent Epsom winner Redeiner in the 2 Eagle Farm plunges. Do ya think they'll back up again in the Silver Eagle tomorrow at Randwick ? ๐๐ they probably running a bit short of spending money by now. (might run 2nd too ๐) -
All the bets going on from the 'Big Boys' that know the Election Result already tomorrow. Broke the tote.
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Think the Everest is going to have a World Wide audience of over 100,000,000. should be a Group 1 , and have a standing like Royal Ascot on the World Racing calender.
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Ya wouldn't read about it , The Real Sherlock has drawn the Car-park again. Greg will have to pull a miracle to win the Derby from there . WOODLANDS STUD VICTORIA DERBY FINAL 2760M $200,000 3YO. 3YO. RBD. PACERS. Mobile 2ND LEG QUADDIE Form Horse Trainer Other Eng. Driver Class Hcp 1 21195 CAPTAIN HAMMERHEAD David Moran David Moran NR77 FR1 2 15s17 DUKES CHOICE (Em 1) Zeke Slater Jack Laugher NR60 FR- 3 1s2 CELEBRITY ROYAL Emma Stewart Zac Chappenden (C) NR56 FR2 4 21064 ROSANNA REBEL Terry Howard Michael Bellman NR67 FR3 5 32046 OUR VINCENT CAN GOGH NZ Julie Douglas Daryl Douglas NR67 FR4 6 31225 LOUIE LOU I NZ Chris Svanosio Ross Payne NR78 FR5 7 s1311 THE REAL SHERLOCK NZ M Purdon, N Purdon Greg Sugars NR84 FR6 ------------------------------ Second Row ------------------------------ 8 10116 OLIVER DAN Emma Stewart James Herbertson (C) NR68 SR1 9 s1414 CAPTAINS KNOCK Brad Hewitt Nathan Jack NR66 SR2 10 01111 PETRACCA Emma Stewart Mark Pitt NR86 SR3 11 12312 PERFECT CLASS Emma Stewart Kerryn Manning NR77 SR4 12 11173 THE LOST STORM Emma Stewart Mark Pitt NR88 SR5 13 43323 FINAL COLLECT NZ Leilani Justice Jackie Barker NR78 SR6
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Yes it was great work by Sarah once again. Drove the rank outsider of the field to 4th place at Methven (the place where she said she learned to drive) and took the Junior Drivers Title for the 4th time . What a legend !.. (the Gamma pick Carter Dalgety got 3rd I think) , behind Zev Meredith who drove very well through the series. Shame A.Harrison didn't go and have a crack but a chance too I spose. And to cap off a great day for Sarah , she beat up all the old Boys/Ladies in the prestigious Methven Cup ๐ to Boot . seen here winning easily on 13-1 shot American Me after another great 10/10 drive from Sarah . Well done young Lady !!! ๐๐พ
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The $10m Mare to Run for Yulong in Everest?
Gammalite replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
The Bloke is a mining Magnate Billionaire. He just wanted to buy the best in the world that he could find at one stage . $10 mill for Alcohol Free , probably didn't dent his pocket change. the late Kerry Packer used to spend that on a night out at the Vegas casino's at one stage ๐. his son just builds casino's now hahaha. $3.4 Million for the Mont . Am sure they are delighted as she finished hard the other day to win. One of the best mares in Australia she is now , so probably worth it. -
And he Wins !! The Real Sherlock at 15-1 knocks off the 2 Emma Stewart runners (that'll please The Galah too ๐) tonight in the Victoria Derby heat for Mark and Nathan and New Zealand !! what a great driver that Greg Sugars is ... probably equal best in Aus with Cam Hart. Drove him brilliantly from the worst barrier draw possible. 'The Lost Storm' who started in the Eureka was run over by the flying 'Sherlock ' .. fantastic.๐ Hope and fingers crossed for a Closer in barrier draw in the Victoria Derby Final next week !!!