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'Reasonable bet' for the TAB to collect as it panned out. 😉😎 John Dunn out-sticking young Ben again . Just when Ben was glad to see the back of 'Sundee' too. (with Sundee's Son retired) The Dunn stable turn up with their next star trotter . very nice Win by Aardiebythehill.
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A Tester for Ranga then ? Does he know his Gore horses and drivers ? Geez the inside part of track looks a bit rough mate ? No graders in Gore ?
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Is that the horse nathan williamson trained. how is he going in australia? Hey was just reading where a heap of galloping blokes in Victoria have got positives the same as Mike Reed , the WA trainer of Regazzo Mach got with Steroid use , as mentioned earlier. Might be the same sort of stuff doing the rounds. Seems silly to me as years and years ago , you knew Steroid derivatives were traceable and even tiny doses were 'long lasting' . Kavanagh got lucky and eventually escaped the Cobalt fiasco , unlike some, but wonder how he will get out of this one lol? here's a bit of the article. Chief would know of some of these Trainers . they all do quite well generally in Vic country racing. >>>>>>> Racing Analytical Services Limited reported the urine samples taken from the five horses contained Formestane (a steroidal aromatase inhibitor) and 4-Hydroxytestosterone (an anabolic androgenic steroid), which are prohibited substances under Australian Rules of Racing. Racing Victoria reported the five trainers and horses involved in the inquiry are: Smiley Chan (Lake Tai), Mark and Levi Kavanagh (Circle Of Magic), Julius Sandhu (Alphaville), Symon Wilde (Sirileo Miss) and Amy and Ash Yargi (Yulara). Sirileo Miss is a multiple Group winner who has won $963,000 prizemoney. Two of the five samples also contained the prohibited 6a-Hydroxyandrost-4-Ene3,17-Dione (a metabolite of a steroidal aromatase inhibitor).
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Exactly as you say, and to gain some performance, well the owner placed a lot of pressure on Mike Reed , a long time distinguished trainer in WA to get the horse Regazzo Mach into the big Nullibor slot race this year. they paid $500,000 for Regazzo off Nathan and he was only performing moderately. The owner pressure ten-fold with these 'high-price' purchases. I've seen it happen a few times. (trainer trying to get a BIG race result from high priced purchase over does it). Mike Reed gave 'Regazzo' some anabolic steroid (that makes em feel good and go good) , and got 3 positives in January so 3 race DQ's and 6 months disqualified !! lol... they're a bit strong and long lasting the old steroids. Actually Mike's penalty ends tomorrow as it pans, so might be back training again next week. The horse still having only earned $150,000 lifetime . too much pressure.
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Terrific writing Mr Galah. (your whole article above) and yes fully agree with you NOT to read that Archie Peter nonprofit stuff , as is damaging beyond belief to ones sanity (as well as not even a remote semblance of respect for the harness racing industry that guy has) i'd rather stick tooth picks in my eyes. wish he would. After doing 20 years harness I then did 20 years vet , and can say that if I had did it the other way round, one could of had bucket-loads more success lol 😆. the negative effects to treating a horse, are usually supplied by the Trainer i would suggest. there haven't been cases of vets going with milkshakes elephant juice caffiene etc. and things like steroids they can supply but usually don't administer. Hey did you guys hear the Regazza Mach story this year?
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$2,000,000 race .... $1,000,000 to the winner
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Can't relate in what way? I think that Emma has that many runners and winners , It's hard to keep up ? Here is the Vic Sires Stakes Final result from December. Last nights winner ENCIPHER a hot favourite but beaten by the New Zealand owned (former Nathan Purdon trained Filly AMORE VITA. Emma I think 'Trifectaed' both the 2 year old Vic Sires Stakes Finals of colts and Filly's to show off her great team, staff , horses and training ability . The Miracle Mile winner CATCH A WAVE (Gaths) who led up last night in the Eureka won the 3 year old colts to stop the 'Emma' clean sweep . What a prize for Encipher last night ! A million dollars !! amazing ...... ALWAYS B MIKI VICBRED SUPER SERIES (3YO FILLIES) FINAL (GROUP 1) 2240M $130,000 3YO Fillies. RBD. PACERS. Mobile Final Results Pl Horse Prize- money Row & Br TAB # Trainer Driver (C = Concession) Mgn (m) Starting odds 1 AMORE VITA NZ $ 65,000 Fr3 3 Emma Stewart Chris Alford $ 5.50 PRS BAY FILLY 3 by ART MAJOR USA out of CASTELLINA LOVER NZ (MCARDLE USA) Owner(s): S A Dolan, Est of G R Adamson Breeder(s): S A Dolan, Estate of Grant Ronald Adamson 2 ENCIPHER $ 20,800 Fr1 1 Emma Stewart Kate Gath HFNK $ 1.20 fav 3 SOHO HISTORIA $ 13,000 Sr2 10 Emma Stewart Mark Pitt 3.50 $ 12.00 P 4 PETILLANTE $ 7,800 Fr6 6 Emma Stewart David Moran 9.20 $ 81.00 3W 5 STAR CELEBRITY $ 5,200 Fr5 5 Emma Stewart Allan McDonough 9.80 $ 81.00 6 JO AN JO $ 2,600 Sr1 9 Emma Stewart James Herbertson 11.50 $ 71.00 5 7 NONPARREIL $ 2,600 Sr3 11 Jess Tubbs Greg Sugars 11.70 $ 126.00 7 8 TALK TIME $ 2,600 Sr5 13 Emma Stewart Jodi Quinlan 17.40 $ 71.00 12 9 RELENTLESS ME $ 2,600 Fr2 2 Sebastian F Steenhuis Anthony Butt 21.90 $ 81.00 10 BEACH LIFE $ 2,600 Fr4 4 Emma Stewart Kerryn Manning 26.70 $ 81.00 10 11 LEAVE YOUR HAT ON $ 2,600 Sr4 12 John Yeomans Rebecca Bartley 28.10 $ 151.00 -
$2,000,000 race .... $1,000,000 to the winner
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Excellent performance by LEAP TO FAME circling to the parked out position after the early rush in the Eureka at Menangle. finished 2nd 4 lengths clear of 3rd placed Captain Ravishing. But the day belonged to Australia's long-time best 2 Trainers Emma Stewart and Luke McCarthy. ENCIPHER , the only mare in the field , picks up the Million dollars , with a great steer by Luke who knowing the track like the back of his hand , pounced at the right moment and took the BIG prize ahead of Leap To Fame. Luke McCarthy because of not having a stable runner in the race , drove for the great Victorian stable of Emma Stewart in an 'Instant Win partnership' , from 2 of the greats of the sport. (Emma's regular drivers Mark Pitt were on The Lost Storm and Kate Gath had her husbands runner Catch A Wave to drive ) so Lucky days for Luke !!!🏆💰🏆😁 -
$2,000,000 race .... $1,000,000 to the winner
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All the sort of stuff you mentioned would work brilliantly I reckon. 10 slots at $6000 each gives a nice $60k pool . $40k for winner maybe , the rest split 2nd and 3rd make races for horses 0-2 wins, or 3 -4 race winners, or whatever you fancy really. to select field you have to watch for interlopers. maybe have them trained in that 'province' as eligible entrants ? where the race is held .. or something similar. or one way they did it here in Brisbane at a country track that ran big races twice a year, was the horses selected had to of had 2 starts at that track during that current season . That worked well as made it hard for them to come from too far away and knock off the locals in just the Feature , so a few 'handy' horses were seen racing at the track to get their 2 starts in , to be eligible for the Big race heats resulted in >>>>>> you had quite a few weeks of seeing nice horses race instead of just all battlers all the time, and the racing and betting was lifted accordingly ... -
$2,000,000 race .... $1,000,000 to the winner
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trotting never gets anything in the media. we had the world drivers championship recently and it was lucky to even get mention on the harness site 😂. marbles would get more cover 😂. Hey , I like the idea though . I think the races should be funded by the participants all the time . Put your money up - Put your horse up - and go for glory !.... be like Arabia Shiehks lol. The Everest gallop sprint is great !!! near the best race of the year every year.....with people holding slots and inviting horses to run for them for that day. At the trots, If we owned a slot in the EUREKA or the RACE by Grins , or the NULLIBOR (where Nz Plodder Betterzippit went and won 1/2 million earlier this year with Grimson) you can be an owner in partnership for the day Of the BEST horses in the nation !! fantastic .. Grass Roots Level ?? you ask . why not do the same . Have slot races for loose class horses with a Big Prize ?...... they'll come , even at Winton or Ruakaka maybe ...if there's money to be made. -
It's nearly here . Eureka . the first of it's kind. Probably Not of much interest to you guys as New Zealanders have been excluded . (should try that at Rugby World Cup 😉? ) Marky Boy will be spitting chips as his 4 year old AKUTA would of donkey licked this lot .🙄 My QLD mate Grant sent a text today and has arrived down there safely and settled in well with the Queenslander LEAP TO FAME . Can he Win it from that outside alley though ? 🤔 bit tough out there. We have 5 x Captain Treacherous horses running , 3 x Bettor's Delights, , a Sweet Lou from Tassie (yikes) , and a SomeBeachSomewhere running . That is great representation from the Captain T ? THE TAB EUREKA 2400M $1,970,000 3&4YO. No NR. PBD/AGE/SEX. PACERS. Mobile TRIFECTA, QUINELLA, EXACTA, 2ND LEG DAILY DOUBLE, 3RD LEG QUADRELLA, FIRST4 Form Horse Trainer Other Eng. Driver Class Hcp 1 1s211 CAPTAIN HAMMERHEAD David Moran David Moran NR77 FR1 2 32622 NATURALLY GIFTED (Em 1) Jack Trainor NR78 FR- 3 15941 DON HUGO (Em 1) Belinda McCarthy Jack Callaghan (C) NR74 FR- 4 s1111 THE LOST STORM Emma Stewart Mark Pitt NR87 FR2 5 21811 ENCIPHER Emma Stewart Luke McCarthy NR120 FR3 6 31711 SPEAK THE TRUTH Shannon Price Adam Sanderson NR111 FR4 7 21111 MAGICIAN Todd Rattray Todd Rattray NR113 FR5 8 1s524 RIPP Bernie Hewitt Doug Hewitt NR89 FR6 9 41615 TIMS A TROOPER (Em 1) Grant Dixon Robert Morris NR120 FR- 10 91783 HEZA SON OF AGUN (Em 1) Matthew Craven Matthew Craven NR103 FR- 11 s127s CAPTAIN RAVISHING Ahmed Taiba Greg Sugars NR101 FR7 12 11s21 CATCH A WAVE Andy Gath Kate Gath NR120 FR8 13 11121 LEAP TO FAME Grant Dixon Grant Dixon NR120 FR9 14 s3335 MY ULTIMATE RONNIE Jarrod Alchin Cameron Hart NR118 FR10
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Didn't know Peter but he had a great time racing Stormy Morn. RIP peter. quite a cute story of rags to riches for his horse ! Peter's father Jim Moore bred Stormy Morn and when Jim passed , a brother of Peter's named Stan received Stormy in the will. Stan tried Stormy as a young horse with a trainer but he showed nothing so Peter bought him off his brother for $150 as a riding Hack for his then 12 year old daughter Diane. Stormy was too much of a 'handful' for the young lass so Peter popped Stormy in training with Trevor Thomas . eventually qualifying and having just one 3 year old start. ( fin 3rd to About Now) 4 seasons later and after many wins with Trevor Thomas and successful Australian campaigns with Jimmy O'Sullivan winning an impressive 11 wins from 25 starts in Australia. Stormy as a 7 year old made his way into the stable of Tony Perucich , a former Canterbury Trainer who had shifted to Pukekohe. Tony and Stormy went on a Group 1 crusade and took victory that season in the Inter-Island Stakes, the Nz trotting FFA , the Dominion Handicap off 10m, The Rowe Cup off 15m and the New Zealand National trot as a cherry on top for the Big 5. He had to race some of the great trotting names for his wins ,No Response, Jenner, Sir Castleton, Thriller Dee and Scotch Tar ( placed 2nd in Scotch Tar's dominion h'cap win) I reckon Peter would of got a huge Thrill in February 1981 when Stormy Morn Won the the Australasian Trotting Championship in a track record at the famous Moonee Valley when Jimmy O'Sullivan steered him for a Big NZ First 4 placings beating the 2 previous Interdominion Trot Grand Final winners No Response (Richard Brosnan ) 2nd, Hano Direct (Doody Townley) 3rd and Kate's Return (Jack Carmichael) 4th .. A very proud owner he would of been for Nz that day.....
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Mate , you would be the best stipe going !! . 100% agree with everything you noticed in each state. Fits to a Tee , what is happening. Yes indeed, none of those things really help the betting product , ( i just back gallops now) I think team driving for Emma Stewart sounds bad , but upon watching all her great record in age group races in Victoria , I liken it to sometimes being like Allstars . They are great at getting a 'few' into a quality/group/ or sires stakes race and therefore drive to get the win without nullifying each others chance and not minding which one takes victory most of the time. Tasmania is better racing when they run the State Feature races during the year. as Yole is Not good enough to have any runners in feature races . He just is still to this day, just 'stack loading' the slowest class races he can find. Australia's leading trainer ? can't even win a feature in his home state . so embarassing for harness racing. New Zealand harness racing is still a nice product , but the Fields are often still too big ?. Need to go with 10 runners. and the horses don't race often enough to follow . because of the weather a lot are rested through winter . just keep rolling all year round throughout Oz. so a couple of reasons there , someone having a punt like myself or Brodie even as he said , won't be on.....
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Yes the bookies have to be very careful with their odds. It's a huge thing every Saturday in Australia with stunningly huge bets going on in all the metro racing cities. The Betting effected by Betting Syndicates , whom pool a large amount and set out to beat the books . A bit like Boys Get Paid I spose , but the bets are spread a lot more as quite a few are 'attacking' They even encourage the 'average Joe Punter' to join in this way these days, and relentlessly advertise 'Bet with Mates' option is the way to go , as this obviously forces the Joe to put in more cash each week than he would on his own. 😂. a very clever con job. Get your mates to help you lose and support their cause lol.... In harness racing they can't do it . there's too much of a risk element in the running . Gallopers can come from last to win. Pacers usually cannot. etc. On a smaller scale you can get inside knowledge and make a win that way. There was a 'Boat' race at Albion last Saturday night that paid off well for a few. Trainers and Drivers get away with it as they go around so often , most races that one 'boat' doesn't warrant a lot of attention now and then, and keeps people (these punters/owners) interested.
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There's just too many good galloping races and football to bet on. that stops the harness racing interest in Aus for a lot of punters. Punters Love Emma Stewart and Allstars runners in the harness world . Because they run true to form. Can't go wrong with Millwood Nike , Akuta etc... lol. Ladies in Red has won 22 (and 5 x 2nds) from 27 starts for Emma. you would be WELL in Front if followed her through. The LOST Storm i'm terrified might beat my mate Queensland horse ' Leap To Fame' in the $2,000,000 Eureka soon next week . He won the QLD derby for Emma by 6 lengths untouched in July . (now 11 wins from 13 starts) think he gets the Pole draw in the Eureka from being the only 3 year old in it !!!. hard to beat.. Emma likewise has many 'picket fence' runners. Serious punters aren't gunna back Country Vic runners mate, and just hope for the best . They're gunna back the good horses in the city . Like Emma's or Allstars. I'm already putting Nz Cup bets on. !! 😉💰🏆
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Mrs McCArthy did a year out DQ once . Currently the other big stable at Menangle has it's figurehead Kerryann Morris out for 6 months DQ with a positive. bad girl Mrs Morris. How very Lucky for Luke McCarthy and Robbie Morris that they both conveniently put the Trainers Licence in theirs wives names over the years, so they take the Disqualification should the need arise 😄. ....no divorce offered as yet.. 😂. Wonder if Grimson and/or Trainor are getting married soon ?😂
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thats a Fair call Chief. and yes Menangle is a fast track. I've checked it out and yes the horse did have some good races last year as you say.... and has just resumed after a year off the track when ran unplaced last month a couple of times for Jack. Still ....Grimson is going to do very well with it (My NameisJeff) going by the thundering run last Saturday . and if you aim for the stars, like he did with Swayzee , ya just might get there I spose.
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Yes there definitely is a variable somewhere , that is working flat out crazy 🤔. You have to remember too, that the concern is on the repercussions of these 'improvements as well. These are ALL horses someone else has worked with !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Allstars are champions in NZ and make most /nearly all the Winners into winners themselves. How do Tim Butts owners feel ? when suddenly a horse he had trained, goes to another stable, and then immeadiately starts winning group 1's !! . Swayzee. (after 8 unplaced mid-week runs for Tim this year) makes him look bad ? silly or something. Victorian Russell Jack is a very good horseman , and driver Nathan Jack too (in the game a long time, just like Time Butt) but suddenly looks like a mug Trainer as My NAMEISJEFF blasts away from the field at $1.70 in 1.49 mile , just 6 weeks after running a couple of lasts for the Jack stable. His owners are gunna be a little perplexed and you end up with on-going issues...... One Stable IMproving Every horse they get (well 2 stables as Jack Trainor too) will cause ISSUes in all the other stables? . Look at that unhappy bloke even wanting to fight about it lol...😆
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Mate the list goes on and on and on and on. Way past being just 'Bettor's Delight' Improvement with age. ( I think some, like one of their first star runners, who exceded expectations a couple of years ago, and who made a Miracle Mile field, named Stylish Memphis by Bettors Delight were actually getting worse with age performance wise for Trainor /Grimson) but anyway , lets go more recent. The 'Fight ' horse , and now Group 1 winner SWAYZEE is by RockNRoll Heaven and improved out of sight once he took it off Tim Butt earlier this year. as the Galah pointed out Just last Saturday night HI MYNAMEISJEFF , a Nz bred by Art Major, first start for the Grimson machine after starting 20-1 last month at Bendigo , 10-1 at Kilmore and running nowhere, Suddenly turns up with Grimson and runs 1.48.9 (exceptionally fast) and wins by 6 lengths at $1.70 favourite ?? hahahaha no wonder i'm cynical lol😂 They also won the first race last Saturday with (another Nz plodder) BUBBA SCRUB who only has 2 wins from 5 starts for Grimson (poor by his standards lol 😆) By Hes Watching so not your stallion theory either. Anyways the 'BUBBA' thundered home to win in 1.51 as second fav. don't get me started on Loyalist either 😄
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You are right in respect that a Trainer with runners winning being swabbed and Blood tested nearly every time , and Nothing Found , should be not accused of cheating without evidence. In fairness to Grimson , another Trainer named 'Jack Trainor' also got 3 months DQ from the fight and has also had Incredible Results over the past 2 or 3 years (and he's just starting out as a Trainer in his 20's ) ... He's not a rival of Grimson's on the track at all , more of an ally , and is RIGHT ON IN on whatever it is that Grimson is doing . (To get these unbelievable improvements) I didn't say drug cheat. Every stable gives horses something . It's just the something 'seems to be working to exceptional extremes' with these 2 Trainers . ( Grimson and Trainor ) All stables have secrets and staff usually keep them with them. I never told any one anything at a new stable about anything happening at previous stable. Out of respect for their peers and fellow combatants. Therefore No-one says what they do to get results. I'm sure EVERYONE would like to know the methods of Grimson and Trainor. (Betterzippit (a plodder in Nz) won $500,000 in one race this year at Perth) So it's a PROFITABLE Method. Would be awful for 2nd horse connections if foul play is being used in the 'Method' . Must of Been Extremely Awkward for Hayden Cullen , racing horses at Group Level constantly with Marky P , then go to Telfer's and try and do the same thing without any overlap of method ?? . No wonder that partnership didn't last.....lol.
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I would say there would of been video evidence (people recording on phones) of the fight and it must of been clearcut he was still getting stuck into the guy as security was trying to drag him away. The instigator should be given 'Time' as well. Bit unfair on Grimson (or any high profile sportsperson in any sport) to be 'picked' in a public spot. I guess with the Appeal pending , there's not really any other coverage to add. Jason Grimson has had absolute 'Extroadinary results ' past 2 or 3 years as discusseed many times here and All around the harness world in general. Just 'too many Freak improvements made on battling horses'?? , that make no sense to the ordinary harness racing participant, and makes the prior and/or rival trainers look like mugs. you have seen it . It's shocked me as a neutral observor, the wins of Betterzippit esp, Boncel Benjamin , Loyalist , I cast no shadow, and about 20 more as well and you saw Majestic Cruiser running fast in Nz at the the Nz Cup last year running 2nd and not far off winning it ?? think he did win the messenger beating Self Assured actually. Horses showing real 'fight' just like the Trainer 😂
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Chief thinks only average... but who isn't compared to Waller with 700 horses listed lol.. I would say Gai Waterhouse/Adrian Bott would have a 'fair few' as well. they syndicate now with All these micro shares of things like buy into 8 horses for 2k no more to pay and you have a so many 100ths of a share etc. quite funny what they can con people with lol. Just wanted to add Gai and Adrian have the most expensive horse in Australia at the moment. A yulong investments (chinese) purchase for $10,000,000 earlier in year from UK. where she won 4 Group 1's. Second highest price ever paid at auction for a racehorse. named ALCOHOL FREE . a mare no less 😲. It won a Randwick trial on Friday and nearly ready to go this time In.... Fancy paying $10,000,000 for a mare?. Could of just paid $1,000,000 each for 8 race winning colts, and had $2,000,000 left for the training fees for a year or 2 ..... and had 8 times the fun and 8 times the chance of winning a Big race.
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Gai and Adrian are still pretty good Chief. Over 1000 winners from 5670 starts and closing in on $100,000,000 prize in 7 years. 2023/24 15 24.2% 18 53.2% 62 $1,076,650 0 1 0 0 $1.47 2022/23 160 20.6% 201 46.5% 777 $19,961,245 4 3 13 12 $1.07 2021/22 158 18.7% 200 42.3% 846 $14,996,242 5 4 4 4 $1.02 2020/21 137 19.1% 179 44.1% 717 $10,004,215 2 2 2 8 $0.96 2019/20 141 16.5% 217 42.0% 853 $10,729,641 4 2 6 4 $0.80 2018/19 127 16.0% 179 38.4% 796 $8,438,700 0 3 10 7 $0.85 2017/18 165 19.0% 227 45.1% 869 $11,913,027 3 7 8 8 $0.90 2016/17 151 20.1% 193 45.9% 750 $9,537,305 2 4 4 13 $0.89 Overall 1054 18.6% 1414 24.9% 5670 $86,657,025 20 26 47 56 $0.90
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Isn't he doing well. surprised me winning here (Ben) but drove a cracker race and what a great win for Mossdale Ben. 2 big trophies lately . kurow and now the Maurice Holmes Vase . well done Team HOPE. great stuff. And imagine Muscle Mountain in the Dominion ? I bet Ben can't wait for that 😂 with 'Sundee' now retired . after their tremendous stoush last year. Nat had every chance in the world in front and mowed down easily really. (Anything goes) Smithy's Terror was a strong 3rd in Auckland Cup 2 miles (getting past Copy That late in the piece) so he is showing some toughness gained , and a possible Nz Cup place chance all going well ?.
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Mystic max won easy in the end.Oh well. Well I guess he's always been a good horse. 2 years ago Won the 2 year-old sires stakes Group 1 (fav Highgrove galloped out the back) A year ago placed 2nd (to Masterly but beaten 6 lengths) in the 3 year-old Sires Stakes (fav Highgrove galloped out the back) and then then 2nd in the Nz Trotters Derby (to Nazareth) (fav Highgrove galloping out the back but recovered to run 3rd somehow , well done John 😆) Masterly and Nazareth have rather surprisingly not won this year as 4 yearolds, and Highgrove hasn't started yet. they all might 'turn up' yet ? so maybe Mystic Max is gunna clean up now that he has Nat's 'rose petal' hands showing Blair (ironbark hands) how well he goes with a nice drive and touch ?? (Blair did win the 2 year old race so did ok lol 😉)
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All our TABs are gone Brodster. The 6 all within 4 km of me are all gone past 3 years. All the Brissy suburbs around me have closed.... and the local I attended for years and years on Saturdays and probably 1000 times is now a chinese cooking shop this year 😪. TAB got the chop (stick) . I miss chatting with the franchisees. some Pub/Taverns still have TAB facilities tacked on one end and run (on the fly) by the Bar staff who KNOW nothing about horses and can barely run the ticket machine (they try to get to use a self serve one)......... but it's not the same, and a different demographic attends. so I don't do that.... so just stuck on SportsBet all the time now at home , they have 2 Free to air TV channels of just horse racing from channel 7 every Saturday. You have to keep flicking between the 2 all the time is a challenge to keep up with birdcage etc..... Are TABs gone in Nz too ?