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Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
If it's on or after the post it is surely not "consecutive strides at any stage of the race" which is over at the post isn't it? -
Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
Absolutely. And any breaches, the horse should be disqualified. -
Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
That's the bloody trouble with these left handers. But I can sort of see now though the posted stewards vision is very poor quality and the darn vision for that is attached to race 5 instead of race 6 but that's the level of competence that you expect from Petone these days. That sorted out it was two consecutive backhanders down the shoulder hands off reins, so a breach. Both were in the last stride though and it appears the second one was either on or after the line. Does that count? -
Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
That would work. -
Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
No idea what that has to do with Levante or the whip rules. -
Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
Long time ago now, I remember NGH riding an enigmatic mare for me at Riccarton Easter. A Class 4 race back in the day when we had proper handicaps. Wouldn't pretend to give the likes of him instructions but asked him what the track was like. Few puggy patches he said. Just said you have to kid her through those and she's only little, doesn't like getting tightened up between horses. Watched the race in the bottom of the members' stand. 2000m, 3 wide without cover the whole way. 3 across the track, the two favourites I think and her at 33/1 in between. I'd long given up backing her. Every time I thought I had her dead on and had a punt she'd stop dead and run 30 lengths last. Decided that wasn't a good way to try and make a living! Anyway, I was muttering under my breath at the 150, think you need to give her one Noel. Hadn't touched her. She thinks this is a track gallop and is just doing enough to keep up. Told me after he was afraid to hit her in case she stopped. Thought she was gone at the 500 but grabbed the bit again 100 later (probably the worst part of the Riccarton track disaster there). Anyway, he gave her a good slap and she drew away to win comfortably by 3/4 l. When he came back to scale, he just said they told me she goes the odd good one. That was a good one! -
Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
I quite like it with spurs on. -
Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
Think he got enough of a serve. Lot more than the riding fee and %. And he's trying to beat someone else breaking that rule. Neither probably changed the result. Did think about donating the stake to a horse welfare outfit though. -
Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
Of course not. What a stupid question. If the horse is trying its best it doesn't need whipping at all, only to be told it needs to do its absolute best now. Determining that comes down to the professional judgement of the rider. The NGHs and CWJs of the world were/are masters at that. One or 2 other contemporary riders, some mistresses not masters that I can think of but they are rare birds here these days. -
Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
If you think it's a feather duster, have a walk round the tie ups on raceday and look at the welts they leave or get someone to give you a couple with one and see if it hurts. If they can't enforce their use or make appropriate rules and penalties, then they have to take them away altogether. If they don't, someone will take the whole game away. That you can break the whip rules and still win a race, or run second or third or earn any stake money is a crock of shit. Just encourages others to do it to compete. -
Agree. And know bugger all about sociology.
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That happened 25 years ago when they relaid what was a perfectly good track aside from the undulations in the straight which could have been fixed in 2 days with a D9, a rototiller and a direct drill. They'd also have kept all the mountain of topsoil that they carted away and replaced with clay. Only got worse since. But what would I know? Just an educated farmer. I'm about to sell my groundhog if they need one and someone there knows how to use it. Just about donate it if that would help. Might want to race one there soon.
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Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
You mean clicked late? -
It's hard to metricise but global data would tell that competitive racing, i.e. good handicapping and programming systems and well prepared fair tracks are key. Clubs can't do much more than sort the latter. Don't think the day of the week would have made any difference to the above. Let's not revert to Purcell's Monday/Tuesday racing solution for heaven's sake.
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Levante - World Record for 1200m in the 2022 Telegraph
curious replied to Chief Stipe's topic in Galloping Chat
Might explain the unbelievable time though. -
Both. No aircon. No dark beers. No zero alcohol ones either. Couldn't get a lemon lime and bitters for the missus. Queues at the tote windows even though I bet on my phone. Committee folk were lovely though.
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Sorry but last time I was there the member's stand was total crap. Wouldn't go back.
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Oh it's been pushed alright. And resisted. Sooner or later, you have to decide whether you are wasting time and energy.
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Yep.
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Agree. Not much point having them. Haven't done anything constructive round the country for decades. Tried to get the TA to organise programming a month in advance based on available horses. That was two decades ago. Not interested. Too hard.
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New Trackwork Licensing Programme Effective 1 February 2022.
curious replied to curious's topic in Galloping Chat
Yes. ffs. They already have the likes of NGH and Walshie on the payroll. Why would you bring in people that you probably wouldn't put on a horse to ride track work to do this? Nuts. It's crazy. -
New Trackwork Licensing Programme Effective 1 February 2022.
curious replied to curious's topic in Galloping Chat
Exactly. -
New Trackwork Licensing Programme Effective 1 February 2022.
curious replied to curious's topic in Galloping Chat
Yes but I can ride work with a current trainers licence. However, if I give that up and apply for a trackwork licence I will be subject to the new regulations as far as I can see. Going forward, every new rider who wishes to ride racehorses at trackwork must have completed the trackwork rider assessment and must have either a Slow Trackwork Rider or a Fast Trackwork Rider Licence. -
New Trackwork Licensing Programme Effective 1 February 2022.
curious replied to curious's topic in Galloping Chat
This has nothing to do with jockeys. It's what we have to do to be eligible to ride trackwork. Two completely different occupations. -
Now elite trackwork riders? NZTR Trackwork Rider programme NZTR 14 January 2022 A new assessment programme for those applying for trackwork rider licences will become mandatory from Tuesday, 1 February 2022. The need for change and the raising of licensing standards was flagged in the Industry Reshaping document which outlined NZTR’s Strategic Priorities when released in April 2021, and has been referred to in the recently released Training & Licensing Consultation Paper. Significant work has been undertaken by NZTR to help address the safety of trackwork riders and this programme has been developed in consultation with the NZ Trainers’ Association. The new programme will assess individuals who are applying for a track work licence for the first time and will ensure their basic riding ability and industry knowledge has been assessed before a licence is issued. The programme will be run by the NZTR education and training team and will include regional assessors. The assessors are skilled and experienced licence holders who will sign-off riders once they display the minimum standard of competency to ride trackwork at half pace on an assessment day. After an open “expressions of interest” call, followed by the process of interviews and inspections assisted by the NZ Trainers’ Association, NZTR has contracted Donavan Mansour, (North) Barbara Verlinden (Lower South Island), Ross Beckett (Canterbury) and Kim Clapperton (Central District) to fulfil these positions. Anyone wishing to attain a NZTR track work riding licence from 1 February 2022, will be required to follow a three-step process: Lodge a C62 licence application form with the NZTR Licensing department. Sign up for the NZQA track rider programme AND complete the associated trainee papers along with the Massey University multi-choice online industry test; and Book and attend a practical riding assessment day at their preferred regional accreditation centre. NZTR will provide more detailed guidance on the process on application. As is noted above, the prospective trackwork rider will complete the associated Primary ITO paperwork and, an online industry based multi-choice test to demonstrate knowledge of equine welfare, trackwork rules and safety procedures. Like a drivers’ licence assessment, the online Massey test will consist of 20 randomly selected questions. A pass mark of 18 out of 20 is required and there is the option to re-sit. Where language or learning difficulties occur, the prospective trackwork rider can seek assistance from their employing trainer. There is an expectation that the trainer will take an active interest in helping their staff member achieve the licence. The trainer is expected to allow time for the applicant to complete the online industry test and the NZQA track rider programme. Following completion of the Primary ITO and Massey assessments, the prospective trackwork rider will take part in the practical assessment. The practical element will include a basic test of strength and fitness; groundwork; saddling; and riding at progressive levels from confined area and to a training track. A successful assessment will allow the rider to ride slow work up to half-pace (18 seconds per 200m). To ensure a robust system of accreditation the NZTR Riding Master will also be involved in the assessment. The rider will be eligible to upgrade to a Fast Work riding licence once they have demonstrated competency riding fast work. This assessment will be completed by the employer and an experienced jockey or trackwork rider. They must complete and sign the C63 licence application form and lodge it with the NZTR licensing department. Please note, the two people endorsing the applicant’s skills are declaring that the rider has the competency to ride fast work on a registered Thoroughbred horse. The fee of $110 includes both the assessment and the trackwork rider licence fee of $30. There is no additional fee to upgrade to a Fast Work licence. To get the employee to the stage where they are demonstrating the skills to ride half-pace in a safe manner, the employer is expected to have a suitable and officially retired Thoroughbred they can use to provide training. If they do not have a suitable Thoroughbred in the workplace the people listed below as Tuition Providers are available to teach trackwork skills privately. Because of these changes, NZTR will no longer issue a Stablehand (Riding) licence. Going forward, every new rider who wishes to ride racehorses at trackwork must have completed the trackwork rider assessment and must have either a Slow Trackwork Rider or a Fast Trackwork Rider Licence. NZTR APPOINTED TRACKWORK RIDER ASSESSORS AUCKLAND Donovan Mansour Byerley Park Karaka 021-0788355 donovan@bryleypark.co.nz CENTRAL DISTRICTS Kim Clapperton Awapuni manleylodge@xtra.co.nz 027-2219738 CANTERBURY Ross Beckett 445 Pound Road Yaldhurst 0274371940 lrbeckett@windowslive.com DUNEDIN Barbara Verlinden Mosgiel 0221085006 barbaraverlinden@hotmail.com TRACKWORK RIDING TUITION PROVIDERS AUCKLAND Donovan Mansour Byerley Park Karaka 021-0788355 donovan@bryleypark.co.nz WAIKATO Phillips Equine Hamilton Telephone (027) 271 9852 www.phillipsequine.co.nz MATAMATA Phil Stevens – Northwood Farm Matamata northwoodfarm@xtra.co.nz 021-521916 CANTERBURY Casey Lunn 35 McLeods Rd Sefton North Canterbury 0275199470 kc.lunn@hotmail.com DUNEDIN Barbara Verlinden Mosgiel 0221085006 barbaraverlinden@hotmail.com SOUTHLAND Jade Ward Reigning Downs Invercargill 021-588338 jade@reigningdowns.nz CENTRAL DISTRICTS Kim Clapperton Awapuni manleylodge@xtra.co.nz 027-2219738