Brodie

Yes there will be the very odd one that will make a small profit on racing horses, very very odd one! I am sure that they get a lot,of enjoyment out of winning races, however I would want a far greater return on the money invested!

Brodie, tells it the way it is, whether it is negative or positive. If you take it as being negative, then take it for granted that it is a negative, and take it on board that everything is not all Rosey in racing! You can look at everything and not complain or just go with the flow but personally I am not one to accept things when they are not right. Some just sit on the fence in life and it gets them no where! Have I complained about being restricted in the last couple of months? No I have not, there is a reason for that!! Is there a lot of things that need improving and changed in harness racing going forward? Yes!!

To me, an investment is something that you put money into that is going to produce you positive income and a financial return! Harness Racing would return very very few owners with positive returns, so how could you consider it an investment?

JJ flash, is not Greg O’Connor! Forums are designed for expressing your opinion, and that is what we have on this Premier site. You can not consider harness racing as a form of investment unless you are a successful punter, but with the AML restrictions nowadays, there are far easier ways of investing successfully without the hassles. Brodie is back as well lol.

Fair enough If vendors are happy to breed and happy with what they get then all good. Some went for good money but others either passed in or a loss maker. bear in mind that Bettors Delight stands at just under the median at $25k plus gust so that puts things into perspective doesn’t it? Yes people enjoy breeding as a hobby but unless you have a successful mate and go to an expensive stallion you are unlikely to be making much if any. Certainly far easier ways of making money but then again it isn’t all about the cash in racing nowadays as we know. Just hope enough people continue in racing to make it continue

Haven’t looked at the average or median for the second day, and there seemed to be some reasonable sale prices but from what looked at in the results, seemed to be a heck of a lot of Passed In. Seemed also to be the same buyers and not many new ones. The bigger stable trainers were clearly buying and then will be hoping to get people to take shares In them. Hope it works out for them but I am sure there are going to be more breeders giving it away, as some of the prices wouldn’t even recover the service fee!

At the moment many trainers have to take what they can get as you have to be pretty good to win any race. Palmy is easy kill for most Canterbury horses if they travel up well.

They wouldn’t be getting a second drive from me

Ludwig, you would think that it was on its way out. Will it last another 5 years? Probably not! While the South Islanders are still going up it will continue but should they decide that it is not worth it financially, the racing will cease without doubt. However, there are other clubs also that will be history in the next few years at best.

I wonder if anyone knows why harness drivers do it? For a long time now I have wondered why many of them don’t bother pulling the whip out of the dust sheet until half way up the straight or even later?? So often a horse is going well and then the driver decides at the 100metres to get the whip out and use it a bit!! Often this unbalances the horse and they lose momentum!, Surely any half sensible driver will have the whip out and ready to use if required prior to the home turn???? Happened to turn over and saw the end of the last race at Palmy and Terry Chmiel didn’t pull the whip out till Halfway down the small straight and the horse lost momentum by him doing it then. Yes, the horse Sunhi Magic is a flea so all the more reason to have the whip ready to use earlier, I would’ve thought? Anyone else think that this seems pretty dumb from many drivers, and it happens all the time and yet the Stipes don’t seem to question the drivers as to why they weren’t giving the horse every opportunity!!

Baxter had no show the way that race was run today. They were walking and the best horses just sat out the back and race was over. Rocknpop is no star although she is racing in foal so this has probably helped but shite Baxter would be lengths better !

Actually I do think Trump is doing a very good job of President as the USA is going far better than many previous Presidents have. Dont believe in everything he does but the Yanks are getting in behind him more than ever and he will bolt in again, as have a look at the geriatrics that is going to be put up against him later in the year. As for the cat grabbing, we wouldn’t get away with it in NZ!!

Ronaldo, what a load of bollacks! Innuendos or whatever, most Harness supporters are aware that they are treated more favourably than they should be. Lily white I repeat! Ronaldo, I asked why do many of the females look like male horses?

To be fair I wouldn’t give the owners a heck of a lot of the credit at all for having winning horses. They just have to pay the bills and would have very little say especially the owners in the AllStars stable! The training and driver are the 2 most important facts. A potentially champion horse could be just average if the trainer doesn’t feed or train it well. A potentially good can be a very average horse with a poor driver on board and we see that week in and week out. Yes it helps to have owners who can spend big money on horses but theses same owners could spend plenty and send their horses to poor trainers and they will not get great results. We have been spoilt in NZ in recent years by having possibly the 2 best drivers we have ever had in Dexter Dunn and Blair Orange. Which one is better is hard to decide and if Blair was driving in the U,S. I am sure he would be cleaning up as well.

Happy, I would say it would be higher than that when you include the Labour and Green voters.

Winston is at Waitangi this week for the vote for this years election. Isnt he a man of his word? Reduced immigration? Yeah right? Very open and transparent Thats right he brought in the Gold Card what an achievement and can’t win his own seat but holds the country to ransom, what a great system MMP is!

Ronaldo, you are probably in dangerous territory yourself! Football might be more your go! What has anyone said that puts them into dangerous territory on this open forum? Yeah lily white we all know that!!

Very dry and stoney at the moment!

Gammalite, the AllStars dominance is in the Group races or all the races with the big money up. If they were winning maiden races and one win races continually then that can be explained that it is due to their better training techniques. The reality is that their horses are far superior to all other stables in NZ by a substantial margin in the big stakes races. You can not possibly believe that it is due to just having big paying owners or Mark and Nat having a better eye than any other trainer in NZ! If it was down To the way they train their horses, then that can not be true or else Blair Orange and other trainers who have worked at the AllStars stables should also know these techniques and be winning far more races than they do. The interesting fact is that when the principals of the AllStars stables are over in Oz, the AllStars horses in Nz racing are always very very disappointing aren’t they? What we do know is that they are not shy in using anything that could be beneficial to a horses racing ability whether it is known to be legal or hasn’t been made illegal yet! The dominance can not be attributed to just being more professional, that is just Bollacks, and you know it!

180 nominations in the North is probably not too bad considering at times Auckland weren’t getting enough noms to even look like being able to stage a profitable meeting. You are correct, harness racing is pretty stuffed in the North Island and not a lot of promising things in the future with it. How on earth Auckland is able to maintain the stake money at the moment is very hard to fathom. No new trainers coming thru, junior drivers very scarce and without the South Islanders going up there, there wouldn’t be races for them. Seasoned trainers getting out of the industry and very few new owners wanting in spells disaster for racing up there.

Commonsense you would think, as the grass would be an absolute bog. Some horses down there will probably miss a bit of work as well so be wary.

So that is your answer? Most people with blinkers off are aware that their horses don’t go without a lot!

Gammalite, a question hopefully you may be able to answer. How are the AllStars stable able to make many of their racing mares look like male horses?

Anyone with an open view to Blood Spinning knows that there is far more to it than just helping out injured horses. Clearly the stables that use the blood spinning must have a heck of a lot of injured horses as it is used continuously. The article on Trackside was certainly one sided and biased and certainly didn’t dispel the theories that go around. With respect though, The Box Seat clearly over does the promotion of the AllStars stable and that is why most enthusiasts only watch the last 20 minutes of the show. They are sick and tired of the Blue and Silver domination which is just so bad for harness racing in NZ. not too many want to hear from that stable wanking on about their horses that have just scooped all major winning stakes, and he’s a lively wee chap blah blah blah!!

Always!