Brodie

Of course. What will NZ TAB FF Odds Be?

Standing start for My Field Marshall will be interesting! Get on early Newmarket on My Field Marshall! I will take anything you want to offload on it. What Odds do you want? I reiterate My Field Marshallis racing nothing at the moment and wouldn’t have a dogs show of winning the Cup. Horses racing in Oz over a mile willl generally not measure up to horses racing in NZ!

It was a good run by My Field Marshall, but wouldn’t think he would be much cop the NZ CUp over 3200m. He isn’t racing great horses at the moment I would say! There were several ex NZ horses that are over the hill. Freyberg has been going around for years and Expressionist was a battling horse I think in claimers when he left here! Benecio was with the AllStars and could run a bit but wouldn’t consider him that flash nowadays. Repeat after Me was with Barnes down south I think and a reasonable horse but not top class! The Thing is that any horse can run a mile so form does not stack up that well at a Menangle over the mile, it is a bit of a raffle most of the time, and luck in the running. Why do clubs want to run racing over a mile?

Richie, this government is pathetic.

Make him a Prime Minister then, the one we have now is hopeless!

Don’t believe that the Dunn boys drive to help each other at all! Alldtsrs would be far more common

What I do know is that Robert Dunn’s Horses will win a helluva lot more races while Dexter is overseas. It is unbelievable the amount of money Dexter costs the Dunn stable by just beating the Robert Dunn horses.

Geez, did Globe Derby really believe I was Newmarket? Brodie only posts under Brodie!

Globe, I didn’t realise that your real name was Globe? Not sad at all, asked a totally reasonable question didn’t I?

Chief, with respect we keep hearing from the AllStar fan club that every other trainer in NZ needs to lift their game to compete competitively with the AllStars! What many of us can not comprehend is what makes this stable many lengths better than everyone else??? Yes,they clearly do things differently to get the results that they do! Blair Orange who is the leading driver in the country and I would say pretty intelligent worked for AllStars for many years! Surely Blair would have picked up the training techniques of the AllStars and yet his training results with Ken Barron are good but certainly not spectacular?????

Ok. I have to come clean! My alter ego is Newmarket! The beauty of forums is that we can express opinions and not everyone will agree with them. I think that this nil government we have in power at the moment haven’t got a damn clue, but there are others that think that they have, even though they haven’t shown it! If everyone agreed with each other it would be pretty boring and there would be no forum!

Newmarket, not ridiculous at all, the truth! As I have said before if you are not in the stable ownership group, it is almost impossible to get a horse in the stable! So the theory of if you can’t best them, join them is rubbish!

Kakama, no one at all is,putting them down! Name one contributor that has put them down? What they are saying is that is is boring and not great for the industry. Everyone acknowledges their professionalism and unbelievable results, but you have to have your head in the sand if you think that it is great for harness racing!! People are not keeping their horses racing just because of Jewels day! Reality is that if this domination continues, which I beleive it will, more people will be lost to ownership without doubt. Is there a new generation of ownership coming through? NO!

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Did many of the 2 FORUMS meet each other today????

Turny, you are right, Mile Racing is BORING! AllStars domination is also Boring! I appreciate that the AllStars owners put a lot of money into the industry but so do many other owners and they are getting crumbs, and they won’t continue to accept the crumbs.

Newmarket, there are some on the forums that do like the Jewels. However, the Jewels are very over rated and as a punting vehicle a total waste of time and effort and most of the people that ai know, totally agree and don’t bother having a go on Jewels day. Mile Racing is boring and if you have an average horse you are wasting your time going up from Canterbury. Yes I am sure there is a bit of a thrill having a horse line up but running down the track would then put things into reality. Is it in the best interests of harness racing for one stable to win over half of all the Jewel races, bearing in mind that they don’t start a horse in every Jewels race? NO NO NO NO! Jewels Day is a huge drain on the coffers of the harness industry, and yes we need feature days but we need the stake money being shared around different owners, or they will be GONE!!

Mile racing is so over rated. Havent been watching them live, but watched a few replays and you have no chance if you aren’t handy! Waste of time investing as you only have to look at the tote divs and you would say why bother! OK if you want to bet for the sheer hell of it, but to make serious money, forget about it! Bring on next year at Addington on a track that gives horse more chance and over a far better distance!! Seriously, Do punters really enjoy watching the same colours win just about every race they are in????? Dominance will kill the industry as the average owners say it is just too hard and will drop out!!!

Where on earth does Flagship say that Purdon is not a proper craftsman?????? Purdon tends to train mainly pacers but he does train a few trotters now that go good. Previously trainers who tended to specialise trainers had more of a show winning races with trotters, but now with AllStars buying up the best young trotters they are doomed as well, I say doomed!!!! Great to see the AllStars win 5 of the first 7 Races at the Jewels, it is great that they collect the biggest percentage of the stake money, it will make all the other owners want to retain their horses for next year rather than selling overseas for a good price won’t it?

CrossCodes, don’t beleive that Happy is bitter at all! It clearly has been blown out of proportion and a P R exercise to try and show that all is above board. Do we know what the drugs were that the employees were using or smoking?

Different training systems.

Top trainers no doubt, doing things differently to other trainers no doubt!!!

Personally tend to agree with you Hunter that there is more to it than passive smoking from young stable employees. Find it hard to believe that if it was hooch smoking, then it would contaminate horses blood readings, but who knows, it does seem pretty fishy!

It is very interesting indeed. If stable employs were tested for some sort of drugs and tested positive then possibly this drug taking is also been done around the stable as well, when the bosses are away? Maybe this is why the AllStars horses never go as well when the bosses are not in Christchurch? Perhaps the horses that race are fonged up?????