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So first race was wrong distance as well?

Might be a good thing if you listen to mardigras. Turnover means nothing, so best option is not to get prople punting on nags. Just concentrate on sport.

Well said vege

If JJ is Peter Baken, i say welcome aboard,

Well, dont think she will be leaving to be a model!

Great, at last you agree to my first example. Thank you, we got there in the end.

Over and out for me, i told myself i was going to avoid these type of discussions. Anyway, thanks for everyones thoughts.

I think your wrong. So, we all agree 15 % taken from pool, if not when bet placed, when bets paid out, either way 15% deducted from total pool. Now that is on every pool, so for someone gambling each race, if you are even at the end of the day, yet turned over many thousands, somewhere along the way you have collected off many markets? So takeout rates would be better for tab?

Oh, ok. So where does the pool come from??? FFS, its the punters you tosser, No one knows who actually pays for it??? Jesus, well here is a guess. Maybe the punter, as i have said and others, TAKEOUT IS TAKEN OUT WHEN BET IS PLACED. You cant confirm otherwise, so you have just made yourself look farkin stupid. As for my earlier example, my bets placed throughout the day would have have given more money to tab, regardless of where it came from. For a so called maths genius, you can be a simple prick. Anyway, i have had enough, hopefully somebody else can put you straight as well.

You are the one struggling. Read The Crucibles posts, they make sense.

Thanks TC, thought same.

Barry, i understand this, which i thought was the case. But the scenario i posted, i cant see how i would not pay more to the tab with takeouts due to more loses/ wins?? That is what i am struggling with.

Not sure it is me that is struggling, you have stated you have no idea what or when or how the takeout is happening? Lets just confirm the basics first, Firstly i always thought, and in fact told by the tab that takeouts are deducted as soon as bet is placed, so deducted amount is shown straight away in pool. You say the opposite, so yes, maybe i am finding it hard to grasp. So help me, I bet $100 on a horse, pays $5, so $500 return, what does the tab takeout come to? I lose $100, so no takeout to tab?

So if you lose the $10k, tab get nothing of that either?

We have certain takeout rates on different bet types. Now i thought they were taken out when placing bet, here is the reason why. When taking exotic bets, TAB shows will pays. If you look at some small meetings, it is easy to look at doubles will pays, these are min $1 units, so its easy to see takeout has been deducted before will pays shown. Otherwise, will pays would be less that what is shown dont you think. Same as early win/ place tote odds, can clearly work out takeout has been taken. Your example is mickey mouse,

Great mare, how can it be boring. Wins over many distances, different tracks, good or wet, looks likely to get beat on many occasions, yet she zooms home. Best mare i will see in my lifetime

So if i lose in a race, i am paying a takeout? Regardless, the scenario above that i posted, must show that i pay more takeouts with my win- loss than curious did??

But, i am betting into pools. On that example, i have turned over $5k, won on some, lost on others. That 15% takeout, when does it get taken out?

Thank you Barry, i was just about to jump off cliff. Think curious and mardi relate to betfair most of time. At Least TAB has started offering bonus bets on certain races, that is a start. Hopefully they will continue to offer more. I see every week i have been sent offer that if i deposit $30, i will get $20 bonus bet, its a start. Only thing, its usually only that day, so i forget, otherwise i probably would. I notice beteasy are changing all their reward points, boosts, bonus top ups etc this month. Its a competitive market at the moment, in fact at least once a month, they give me free $100 bonus bet if i top up $100.

Ok, i will play your game. For a start, if a punter is making $12k from every $10k bet constantly, TAB will get rid of you quick, you know that so it was a bloody stupid question. Anyway, as per usual you and mardi swing off the subject. Now i was talking about about turnover, so which is best option. A, Curious has 2 x $1000 win tote bets on nz tab, one loses one wins paying $2, gets $2000 back. B, Newmarket has $2000 in account, he bets on most races during the day, turns over more than $5000 for the day, ends day with same money in account, $2000. So which punter made the TAB more money for the day? Surely this is easy to decide.

So every $10k you spend at the TAB, you get back $12k. No ifs, or buts, that is what you average?

You serious? TAB get a slice of every dollar spent on turnover. Interesting to see what sort of spin you put on this. Just to confirm, so we dont turn this into punting 101 debacle, you do agree that tab get a slice of every dollar invested, at various deductions.

Really? All up betting helps turnover bigtime. Someone starts a $50 all up, if it keeps coming in,can easily have thousands or more on later races, so is that not creating turnover that otherwise wouldnt exsist? I know many punters that take all up bets, mostly on favoured runners.

Yep, i agree with that. Which is why most people want favoured runners winning. More people win, more turnover, more people interested. Which is why i totally disagree with your thoughts on $3 shots. If its value, and form is there, people get on.

And you still work?? Just because you want to of course