TAB For Ever Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Friday night at the GRINS night at Cambridge great to see the BGP getting involved. Their betting pool over $50,000 and already two multi bets made , so with a bit of churn they should help the turnover for night ! Anyone can invest on their TAB account up to just after 5.10pm on Friday. Get amongst it and hopefully they can turn a profit. Good luck BGP ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 13 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Friday night at the GRINS night at Cambridge great to see the BGP getting involved. Their betting pool over $50,000 and already two multi bets made , so with a bit of churn they should help the turnover for night ! Anyone can invest on their TAB account up to just after 5.10pm on Friday. Get amongst it and hopefully they can turn a profit. Good luck BGP ! Yes great to see that BGP are allowed on for what they want! Why does the TAB allow BGP to wager what they want on and yet other punters are restricted to measly amounts? Preferential treatment being applied to some and yet victimisation to others! Come on Entain, see the error of your ways and treat all punters equally, if you want to keep harness racing financially viable! , 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 34 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yes great to see that BGP are allowed on for what they want! Why does the TAB allow BGP to wager what they want on and yet other punters are restricted to measly amounts? Preferential treatment being applied to some and yet victimisation to others! Come on Entain, see the error of your ways and treat all punters equally, if you want to keep harness racing financially viable! , TAB might be rubbing their hands together with $75,000 of BGP money coming their way. The selectors are big on Muscle Mountain but I am not so confident knowing that track and his wide draw. The leaders will run their last 800 in around 56 secs and if he has to work to get into the race then could be impossible to win that race coming wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Why does the TAB allow BGP to wager what they want on and yet other punters are restricted to measly amounts? I imagine they see some promotional value in BGP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 1 hour ago, Nowornever said: TAB might be rubbing their hands together with $75,000 of BGP money coming their way. The selectors are big on Muscle Mountain but I am not so confident knowing that track and his wide draw. The leaders will run their last 800 in around 56 secs and if he has to work to get into the race then could be impossible to win that race coming wide. By rights BGP should win more than they spend but will they take smart bets ? So the 75000 coming the TABs way might be going the other way, Entain won't worry, dishing out money is there speciality, but for how long ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Think BGP got cleaned up 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 21 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Think BGP got cleaned up Couldn't find blow by blow betting report on TAB website. Has usually been there in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Think BGP got cleaned up the boys get paid are treated different from you and i newmarket and indeed any other punter in nz.. If you and i lost our money,Entain would rub their hands and couldn't care less. But if the boys get paid lose their money,theyget the extra special preferential treatment and they get given their money back. Yes,.thats what it said on their facebook page,100% money back after losing everything tonight. Seriously,thats another reason why i no longer bet with the nz tab/entain. The average punter who keeps the industry funded get treated with no value whatsoever,even though we have spenty a lifetime betting. Also,i thought that hrnz is always talking about yields and returns to the industry. Thats all a load of bullocks obviously. i say good luck to the bpys get paid,its not there fault that tonight entain underlined with endless!!! which customers they value and who they don't. I'm happy i no longer have an account with entain. If entain think they are creating good publicity with their refunds,they completely have missed how the punters who turn up and have a bet at every harness meeting run in nz feel about their double standards.. Edited April 12 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 On 11/04/2024 at 12:31 PM, Nowornever said: TAB might be rubbing their hands together with $75,000 of BGP money coming their way. The selectors are big on Muscle Mountain but I am not so confident knowing that track and his wide draw. The leaders will run their last 800 in around 56 secs and if he has to work to get into the race then could be impossible to win that race coming wide. Like I said TAB would be laughing all the way to the bank. Last year the track ran the same and the first few races all leader biased. Why would you be backing runners drawn wide or off long handicaps. Just madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 8 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Like I said TAB would be laughing all the way to the bank. Last year the track ran the same and the first few races all leader biased. Why would you be backing runners drawn wide or off long handicaps. Just madness. You can't have read what i just posted,nowornever. According to boys get paid,entain just gave them 100% of their money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, the galah said: You can't have read what i just posted,nowornever. According to boys get paid,entain just gave them 100% of their money back. Yes they obviously know they are going to get it all back in the end anyway and it does not really concern them how much they give them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) and to top it off,the boys get paid facebook page has been arrogant enough to take a swipe at all the mugs who bet with entain and who have never in their lives been given a 100% refund. "haters will say its fake,but they always complain" is what the bgp have said when announing a 100% refund. No bgp,i'm not a hater. Only an idiot would say what you have on your facebook page. bgp,you completely don't get it ,obviously. Edited April 12 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Yes they obviously know they are going to get it all back in the end anyway and it does not really concern them how much they give them. So you are saying entain had already decided they would give the bgp their money back before they even started losing. So it was just a charade,fake to create publicity.Maybe your right.So much forthe value entain place on trust You know today,i rung up entain,the 0800 102106 number. You see i read on their website that you get $50 in bonus bets if you open an account with them. Well i knew someone who had closed their account a few months ago and i saw that and suggested to them they should open another account and have a bet tonight,instead of betting with an overseas agency. That person said to me,ok,but first how about you check to see if they won't just say,hey,you had an account last year so you won't be entitled to the $50 bonus bets,and you will just have to reopen your old account, not a new one. i thought about it and thought,you know,this is entain so they could be right and they wouldn;'t want to give away $50 when they didn't have to,so i rung the helpline. And sure enough,was told it would take a while before you could reopen a new account,but they wopuld open the old account. And no,no bonus bets.. Apparently the person thought that even in 3-4 years that would still be the case. So the person i was talking to sai,told you,and didn't bother. Now compare that to how entain value that customer to how they value and treat bgp. Entain,tab,whoever,they couldn't care less about the average punter. They only want yourr mone if your jjust an average punter. Edited April 12 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, the galah said: So you are saying you think its all a scam,all this publicity,just a charade,fake to create publicity. Maybe your right. Well they wouldn't be doing it if there was some serious yield at stake. Money is probably coming from the advertising budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 2 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Well they wouldn't be doing it if there was some serious yield at stake. Money is probably coming from the advertising budget. Advertising budget? So they lost what,close to $150,000 going by their facebook page. So ,your suggesting entain thinks having the bgp involved is worth $150,000 in advertising. Even if they did think that,which i don't believe makes any sense,then it still ignores how they treat the average punter. I'm going to finish talking about this now,as i don't think i've felt so strongly about anything for a long time. Its how they make me feel about how they value their everyday customers,of which i have been one for decades, that makes me so annoyed. And no,i didn't have a bet tonight. its not about money. These days i find myself asking myself,why should i bother betting on the horses. Yes,i still enjoy gambling on the horses,but i don't feel i get a fair go as a customer anymore. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 14 minutes ago, the galah said: Advertising budget? So they lost what,close to $150,000 going by their facebook page. So ,your suggesting entain thinks having the bgp involved is worth $150,000 in advertising. Even if they did think that,which i don't believe makes any sense,then it still ignores how they treat the average punter. I'm going to finish talking about this now,as i don't think i've felt so strongly about anything for a long time. Its how they make me feel about how they value their everyday customers,of which i have been one for decades, that makes me so annoyed. And no,i didn't have a bet tonight. its not about money. These days i find myself asking myself,why should i bother betting on the horses. Yes,i still enjoy gambling on the horses,but i don't feel i get a fair go as a customer anymore. Doesn't Dean Shannon own the slot that won the Race By Grins.... Can probably afford to pay it out of his own pocket now. Might feel sorry for BGP and has thrown them a lifeline. Who knows. I get what you are saying and I agree it does stink a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 I think the original pool was 175000 and they won 140 in the last, I may be incorrect on that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Surely the TAB arent going to refund the BGP the amount they have lost?????? Think they must be having us on???? If it is true then this is just another reason why the TAB are not HONEST! They havent treated certain punters fairly for a long time! If Boys Get Paid have got any credibility and they have been refunded the amount they lost, they would donate the whole lot to a worthwhile CHARITY! If the TAB/ Entain have refunded the amount lost to BGP then Entain can not be trusted and I hope you get an absolute hiding from the punters! This is a very sad day for all punters if it is true and Entain you are an absolute disgrace with your actions towards other punters that are not BGP!!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 13 minutes ago, mikeynz said: I think the original pool was 175000 and they won 140 in the last, I may be incorrect on that though. Some of the bets they put on tonight were just ridiculous. On a very leader biased track why would you select two horses drawn the outside of the front line and another off a 35m handicap. It was almost as if they were working for the TAB not BGP. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taupiri Wonder Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 Newmarket/The Gala x Going off "half cocked" BGP DID NOT lose everything $150k before receiving 100% payout. Final Bet on Race 9 Spent full remaining funds $50,064 leaving Zero Balance. This R9 Bet was Power Play* Both 2 Don't Stop Dreaming & 1 Kango TOP4 at $2.80 Potential Return $140,179.20 This was Winning Bet. I am not sure what the BGP starting pool was,but the $Topup by TAB was a few thousand only! 2 hours ago, the galah said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 5 hours ago, Taupiri Wonder said: Both 2 Don't Stop Dreaming & 1 Kango TOP4 at $2.80 Selectors finally worked out the track bias on the last bet. Well done 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) 5 hours ago, Taupiri Wonder said: Newmarket/The Gala x Going off "half cocked" BGP DID NOT lose everything $150k before receiving 100% payout. Final Bet on Race 9 Spent full remaining funds $50,064 leaving Zero Balance. This R9 Bet was Power Play* Both 2 Don't Stop Dreaming & 1 Kango TOP4 at $2.80 Potential Return $140,179.20 This was Winning Bet. I am not sure what the BGP starting pool was,but the $Topup by TAB was a few thousand only! If that bet they had in the last was as you have suggested,then yes they would have only lost $25,300. I've never taken a power play beforef, so looking at the ticket on their website had thought with don't stop dreaming being the first named on the ticket,it had to win and kango run in top 4,but looking at it again can see what you mean. But that changes nothing in my eyes. Entain still have refunded them over $25,000. They have never refunded me a cent before. My posts may have got the amount wrong,but $25,000 or $150,000 refunded,changes nothing for the way i see it. as far as boys get paid goes,good on them for doing what they do to promote the sport.And to their selectors,whoever they may be,i hope they do take entain to the cleaners each time. But when i say that, i know puntings not like that and that sometimes you have to cop losses, like the rest of us. But no,thats not always the case. BGP have been refunded large amounts on multiple occasions,and i,the average punter have never been refunded a cent. Its clear who entain value more,and its not the punter who turns up and invests at nearly every race meeting run.There is a clear double standard here. Edited April 12 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 3 hours ago, the galah said: If that bet they had in the last was as you have suggested,then yes they would have only lost $25,300. I've never taken a power play beforef, so looking at the ticket on their website had thought with don't stop dreaming being the first named on the ticket,it had to win and kango run in top 4,but looking at it again can see what you mean. But that changes nothing in my eyes. Entain still have refunded them over $25,000. I fail to believe Any Betting agency would 'refund' losing bets . Large ones or not. I do accept they will make exceptions to the 'restriction' rule on the size of bets , for regular customers who promise to make regular 'large' bets. this is the privilege they get. esp BGP Everyday punters would not get that leeway. is like a casino high rollers privilege. with the normal gaming tables having tight limits. I was wondering how many 'customers' do BGP have involved in their bets ? i.e How many people are invested in those large bets each week? approx. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 11 hours ago, the galah said: the boys get paid are treated different from you and i newmarket and indeed any other punter in nz.. If you and i lost our money,Entain would rub their hands and couldn't care less. But if the boys get paid lose their money,theyget the extra special preferential treatment and they get given their money back. Yes,.thats what it said on their facebook page,100% money back after losing everything tonight. Seriously,thats another reason why i no longer bet with the nz tab/entain. The average punter who keeps the industry funded get treated with no value whatsoever,even though we have spenty a lifetime betting. Also,i thought that hrnz is always talking about yields and returns to the industry. Thats all a load of bullocks obviously. i say good luck to the bpys get paid,its not there fault that tonight entain underlined with endless!!! which customers they value and who they don't. I'm happy i no longer have an account with entain. If entain think they are creating good publicity with their refunds,they completely have missed how the punters who turn up and have a bet at every harness meeting run in nz feel about their double standards.. Really? Surely that is not true? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 12 Share Posted April 12 (edited) For the TAB/Entain to refund BGP anything is absolute BS! this is not the first time that the TAB has refunded certain punters and not others and they have very poor ethics at times that they choose! As Galah states you can see who the TAB appreciates as punters and it isnt the punters who have been with them for decades! This is just another example of how they show favouritism to some over other punters! The TAB hierarchy have come out saying how great Entain is flr NZ racing, well lets just see if these same people say how great they are when they lose their jobs! Would be good to hear someone from Entain come out and justify why they are prepared to donate tens of thousands to BGP on one hand, and yet restrict other punters to be able to win $20 that’s right $20 on a bet?????????? Edited April 12 by Brodie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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