Brodie Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 JJ aint Flash, should just give up while he is behind! He is obviously aligned to the AllStars it isn’t funny and is totally blinkered it is not funny. Pointless even debating with him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, Brodie said: JJ aint Flash, should just give up while he is behind! He is obviously aligned to the AllStars it isn’t funny and is totally blinkered it is not funny. Pointless even debating with him! his name is not greg it is Peter baken am I right mr jj aint flash??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 21 hours ago, Joe Kidd said: At no point have I denigrated "elite". That is selective nit picking and hair splitting. [snip next 1000 words...] Crikey Dunc (back under yet another name I see), a simple "I misspoke" would have sufficed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 On 3/03/2019 at 3:29 PM, Happy Sunrise said: I can relate to that mindset. The best thing about harness racing is about the variability, the unknown, the inconsistency and the surprises. Whereas, domination is a turn off in any sphere in the modern day. Winx? Yeah, she is good, but give me Bonecrusher and Waverley Star any day of the week. Are you sure about this Happy, or are you just playing devil's advocate? Domination that's the result of a monopoly is undoubtedly something to be abhorred, but domination that reflects underlying excellence, which in turn forces others to lift their standards or exit stage right, is something to be admired. For a day out with the kids, or a day on the punt (cue Brodie!), I can see how "a day at the Nelson trots" might well be an attractive option. But for any serious race-goer, who wants to see the breed perform as close to its maximum potential as possible, surely it's no contest with Cup and Jewels Days? After all, Wales haven't beaten NZ at rugby since 1953, but there wouldn't be too many of us who'd forego watching their next matchup in order to take in the Eketahuna 3rds vs the Pahiatua 2nds, regardless of how "unknown" the result of the latter might be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Brodie on cue! Harness Racing is totally stuffed without horses and punters! Owners are getting the stitch totally with this dominance Basil, the yearling sales this year shows that if you go thru who the buyers were! Punters are turned off as well from the minute divs. at premier meetings! The big bets on the hot favourites that are being put on are a surefire way of losing! The average punter is not bothering on these days! The AllStar supporters are allowed their opinion just as well as the intelligent posters who actually know what affect it is having on harness racing, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 44 minutes ago, Basil said: Are you sure about this Happy, or are you just playing devil's advocate? Domination that's the result of a monopoly is undoubtedly something to be abhorred, but domination that reflects underlying excellence, which in turn forces others to lift their standards or exit stage right, is something to be admired. For a day out with the kids, or a day on the punt (cue Brodie!), I can see how "a day at the Nelson trots" might well be an attractive option. But for any serious race-goer, who wants to see the breed perform as close to its maximum potential as possible, surely it's no contest with Cup and Jewels Days? After all, Wales haven't beaten NZ at rugby since 1953, but there wouldn't be too many of us who'd forego watching their next matchup in order to take in the Eketahuna 3rds vs the Pahiatua 2nds, regardless of how "unknown" the result of the latter might be. Hes intelligent so hes playing Devils methinks, great analogy with the rugby. i hope im allowed this opinion without being attacked again ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Eketahuna 3rds vs I dont think they have a thirds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 19 minutes ago, globederby12 said: I dont think they have a thirds. Haha. they did a few years back. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Basil said: Are you sure about this Happy, or are you just playing devil's advocate? I just prefer to watch a contest. The brilliance of the All Stars is undeniable but I don't find the procession interesting. Just how I feel as it has been going on for awhile now. 2 hours ago, Basil said: After all, Wales haven't beaten NZ at rugby since 1953, but there wouldn't be too many of us who'd forego watching their next matchup in order to take in the Eketahuna 3rds vs the Pahiatua 2nds, regardless of how "unknown" the result of the latter might be. I can't be bothered watching the All Blacks versus Italy, or even worse a team such as Fiji. I actually would rather watch Scotland V Wales, neither the best but it is intriguing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Basil said: Are you sure about this Happy, or are you just playing devil's advocate? Domination that's the result of a monopoly is undoubtedly something to be abhorred, but domination that reflects underlying excellence, which in turn forces others to lift their standards or exit stage right, is something to be admired. For a day out with the kids, or a day on the punt (cue Brodie!), I can see how "a day at the Nelson trots" might well be an attractive option. But for any serious race-goer, who wants to see the breed perform as close to its maximum potential as possible, surely it's no contest with Cup and Jewels Days? After all, Wales haven't beaten NZ at rugby since 1953, but there wouldn't be too many of us who'd forego watching their next matchup in order to take in the Eketahuna 3rds vs the Pahiatua 2nds, regardless of how "unknown" the result of the latter might be. Sorry basil, but give me a grass roots rugby game over an over hyped all blacks foregone conclusion any day... I played rugby to a pretty high level growing up, but I can see why 99% of the rest of the world prefer a football World cup to a rugby world cup where theoretically most teams have a chance.....not many live chances at a rugby world cup, a bit like our top harness races now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 4 hours ago, Basil said: Crikey Dunc (back under yet another name I see), a simple "I misspoke" would have sufficed. Basil with his trusty word counter. So is it Basil Fawlty, Basil Brush or Basil the Mouse Detective ? The mouse detective would be raging hot fav. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Flagship uberalles said: Sorry basil, but give me a grass roots rugby game over an over hyped all blacks foregone conclusion any day... I played rugby to a pretty high level growing up, but I can see why 99% of the rest of the world prefer a football World cup to a rugby world cup where theoretically most teams have a chance.....not many live chances at a rugby world cup, a bit like our top harness races now. Most teams have a chance at the Football World Cup. ??? That has to be the best laugh I have had this year. Thank you. The truth is that only eight, I repeat EIGHT, teams have won the World Cup... Brazil (5), Italy & Germany (4), Uruguay, France & Argentina (2), England and Spain (1). There have been 21 World Cups, Uruguay and England have not won since 1950 and 1966 respectively and probably will not win it again. That leaves the Brazil, Italy, Germany, Spain or Argentina to take the title. These teams have dominated and will continue to do so. Few others teams have a chance against them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 5 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: his name is not greg it is Peter baken am I right mr jj aint flash??? Flash clothes though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 37 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: Most teams have a chance at the Football World Cup. ??? That has to be the best laugh I have had this year. Thank you. The truth is that only eight, I repeat EIGHT, teams have won the World Cup... Brazil (5), Italy & Germany (4), Uruguay, France & Argentina (2), England and Spain (1). There have been 21 World Cups, Uruguay and England have not won since 1950 and 1966 respectively and probably will not win it again. That leaves the Brazil, Italy, Germany, Spain or Argentina to take the title. These teams have dominated and will continue to do so. Few others teams have a chance against them. Your leaving out decent teams like Croatia, Portugal, the Netherlands, and plenty of African nations capable as well ..far more excitement and chance for upset at a football World cup than a very lopsided rugby one.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 21 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Flash clothes though. If JJ is Peter Baken, i say welcome aboard, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 51 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: Most teams have a chance at the Football World Cup. ??? That has to be the best laugh I have had this year. Thank you. The truth is that only eight, I repeat EIGHT, teams have won the World Cup... Brazil (5), Italy & Germany (4), Uruguay, France & Argentina (2), England and Spain (1). There have been 21 World Cups, Uruguay and England have not won since 1950 and 1966 respectively and probably will not win it again. That leaves the Brazil, Italy, Germany, Spain or Argentina to take the title. These teams have dominated and will continue to do so. Few others teams have a chance against them. The 2018 world cup last 8 would have been paying 1 million to 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Newmarket said: If JJ is Peter Baken, i say welcome aboard, He is very dapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: He is very dapper He is dapper this is his licorice all sorts suit........JJ closer to streaky bacon than Peter baken 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Newmarket said: If JJ is Peter Baken, i say welcome I'm not the dapper Baken but do I still get the welcome Newmarket ?? Greg Edited March 4, 2019 by JJ Flash 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted March 4, 2019 Author Share Posted March 4, 2019 7 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said: Your leaving out decent teams like Croatia, Portugal, the Netherlands, and plenty of African nations capable as well ..far more excitement and chance for upset at a football World cup than a very lopsided rugby one.... Clearly, you did not read my reply. Your original post was about World Cup winners. Yes, the list of teams you mention above are decent teams but I left them out because they have never caused an upset and won the World Cup. Fact is the Football World Cup is very lopsided with the top five sides dominating since the contest began. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: Clearly, you did not read my reply. Your original post was about World Cup winners. Yes, the list of teams you mention above are decent teams but I left them out because they have never caused an upset and won the World Cup. Fact is the Football World Cup is very lopsided with the top five sides dominating since the contest began. Thats double that of the rugby world cup and that will never change! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 hours ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: Clearly, you did not read my reply. Your original post was about World Cup winners. Yes, the list of teams you mention above are decent teams but I left them out because they have never caused an upset and won the World Cup. Fact is the Football World Cup is very lopsided with the top five sides dominating since the contest began. Nothing unusual there 41 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Thats double that of the rugby world cup and that will never change! So Oldwhiteman says five sides dominate Football WC and yet you say thats double rugby WC suggesting 2.5 to maths challenged Factually, All Blacks, Ozzie ,England and South Africa as in 4 teams have won WC and its been going a lot less than FC World Cup A stunning win to OWM on all points IMHO but lets not let facts get in the way of a FU post Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Nothing unusual there So Oldwhiteman says five sides dominate Football WC and yet you say thats double rugby WC suggesting 2.5 to maths challenged Factually, All Blacks, Ozzie ,England and South Africa as in 4 teams have won WC and its been going a lot less than FC World Cup A stunning win to OWM on all points IMHO but lets not let facts get in the way of a FU post Greg "Stunning" JJ flop! What's that 3.5 billion viewers watched world cup football final, how many for the Rugby w.c final? Because big rugby games like major harness racing events are very lopsided, and people like competition, not knowing a result before it happens! Even a complete arsehole like you should be able to take that in. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said: "Stunning" JJ flop! What's that 3.5 billion viewers watched world cup football final, how many for the Rugby w.c final? Because big rugby games like major harness racing events are very lopsided, and people like competition, not knowing a result before it happens! Even a complete arsehole like you should be able to take that in. Oh Des, your getting outpointed and changing the narrative again when getting a proverbial pasting. The resort to abusive language is also consistent by all accounts Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 6 hours ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: Clearly, you did not read my reply. Your original post was about World Cup winners. Yes, the list of teams you mention above are decent teams but I left them out because they have never caused an upset and won the World Cup. Fact is the Football World Cup is very lopsided with the top five sides dominating since the contest began. Not quite right. Holland winning the World Cup( nearly) a few times would not have been an upset. In fact they would have been favoured to succeed , in most instances. The best Footballing nation never to win it. My Dutch friends wince when the subject is bought up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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