Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 From where I sit - mouthwatering. Wonder how many will remain here in NZ at the end of their campaigns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Where is this American Pharoah colt with more bigger wraps on it than DE xmas presents? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Four winners from a field of 17. Time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 49 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said: Four winners from a field of 17. Time will tell. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 42 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: ?? 50k race. 4 previous winners of 17 runners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, curious said: 50k race. 4 previous winners of 17 runners? Geez Curious that isn't even a well formed question let alone a statement! WHATS YOUR POINT? Or is vague inference the new speak for 2021? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 I was responding to your query about SLB's post. I assume that's the point he is making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, curious said: I was responding to your query about SLB's post. I assume that's the point he is making. Neither of you actually made a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: Neither of you actually made a point. Nor did you in your head post. What was the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 If the inference is "so what".... Well for a start there is a full field of 14 starters plus 3 balloted. Four are race winners. Another 5 are Trial winners. The breeding of some of these horses is top draw. I'll get back to you once I've added up all the sales figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, curious said: Nor did you in your head post. What was the point? Thanks for pointing that out. I've corrected the Topic heading and added a question mark and exclamation point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 OK. Well my guess is that SLB was wondering if you were suggesting that a field of 17 with only 4 previous winners in a 50k 2yo at this time of year was disappointing. I didn't get the point either. Thought you might be suggesting it was either a good/bad betting race or something but wasn't sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 Karaka Sales figures for each. Follow Your Dreams $24,000 Palamos $85,000 Sophisticardo $35,000 King of Reds $20,000 Sneaky Shark $165,000 Bergheim $30,000 Coyote $26,000 Burgundy Dancer $8,000 Berbizier $32,000 Miss Ipenema $20,000 Beldarra $115,000 Lady Pristina $80,000 Dragons Kiss $150,000 Seven Twenty $14,000 The Night King $100,000 The Charging $45,000 Molinara $100,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I'll get back to you once I've added up all the sales figures So, is your point that there is a lot of high priced horseflesh going round in that race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, curious said: OK. Well my guess is that SLB was wondering if you were suggesting that a field of 17 with only 4 previous winners in a 50k 2yo at this time of year was disappointing. I didn't get the point either. Thought you might be suggesting it was either a good/bad betting race or something but wasn't sure. I was seeking opinion's which you have yet to express. However my opinion is that it is a top field of well bred two year olds racing towards the Karaka Million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 1 minute ago, curious said: So, is your point that there is a lot of high priced horseflesh going round in that race? I've made several points but you only choose one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I've made several points but you only choose one? You emphasised that one by listing the sale prices. I don't really have an opinion. I was trying to understand the point of your post. I may have an opinion when I price the race tomorrow though. At this point it's just another race to me and even if I have a bet I won't be stopping what I'm doing to watch it. Do you think it has a chance of earning enough revenue to cover say half the cost of staging the event, leaving aside the owner's cost to provide the runners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 My point was that the 2YO race probably looks better than it is. Only four winners in the field - so what makes it such a great field? Juvenile races always give off the impression of quality because they haven't had many starts. In reality, it could be a weak event. But, as I said, time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, SLB2.0 said: My point was that the 2YO race probably looks better than it is. Only four winners in the field - so what makes it such a great field? Juvenile races always give off the impression of quality because they haven't had many starts. In reality, it could be a weak event. But, as I said, time will tell. Good point. My observation so far this season is that we may have an above average crop of 2 year olds. I even suspect that there are better one's that have raced and are not in this event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, curious said: Do you think it has a chance of earning enough revenue to cover say half the cost of staging the event, leaving aside the owner's cost to provide the runners? You know full well my opinion on that and it is similar to yours. However given that the industry administration is hell bent on its current course I try to look for at least some positives. Certainly this two year old race has a higher chance of being profitable than some of the bigger events further down the card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 It will be interesting to see how many of the 17 have made it to or through R65 grade by this time next year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 My observation was - as I said above - mouthwatering. And I was looking at pedigrees, as I assume was the Chief, and wishing that I had access to some quality bloodstock like those. Not implying anything about their relative ability, whether the crop is strong or otherwise, just the pleasure to be had by handling SOMETHING that might have a future, and not a well-tried-and-found-wanting model from somewhere else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Freda said: My observation was - as I said above - mouthwatering. And I was looking at pedigrees, as I assume was the Chief, and wishing that I had access to some quality bloodstock like those. Yes that was my first observation - the quality of the bloodstock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, curious said: It will be interesting to see how many of the 17 have made it to or through R65 grade by this time next year. Your estimate? I can see at least 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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