Blossom lady Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, Richie said: These trainers didnt have water on their properties back then just milk tankers and lots of hose. Waikouaiti mafia they were called,there was another Father and son training partnership that I have their names on tip of my tongue.But once found out they all basically disappeared .Did Paul Kerr brother train there too? Don't tar Brian with the same brush as paul. Those 2 are like chalk and cheese! Paul certainly set a good example for his son! Actually Paul had a certain deadly reputation from those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 36 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Your not thinking of the Dalgetys they were at Kakanui by the way. Moseleys,pretty sure they moved their from down Southland somewhere,I new I would remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 5 minutes ago, Richie said: Moseleys,pretty sure they moved their from down Southland somewhere,I new I would remember Only one Moseley that I know of,was at Hampden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 did the weight of expectation and the brodsters $40 get to the spitfire ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Anybody owning up to helping spitfire being favourite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Did that Evans fella have that winner in the early Quaddie,he had about 6or7 in leg 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 They went 2.56.95 for the 2400m non win. Just a bit fast for the spitfire,but didn't show much anyway. I had a small investment on it(the first time ever),but maybe the hard run last start may have flattened it a bit as today was one of her worst performances. Maybe have a freshen up then the next chapter of the spitfire career..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Watched race, didn’t bet, but yeah he didn’t break, but no zip. Head scratcher after his last start, but as Galahs says maybe a bit quick for him. Oh dear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Karrots said: Watched race, didn’t bet, but yeah he didn’t break, but no zip. Head scratcher after his last start, but as Galahs says maybe a bit quick for him. Oh dear. The horse is a mug. Brodie is right why is it still racing? It is plain for anyone to see that horse doesn't want to be on the racetrack, 50odd starts and he is still intractable. Weak horse with even weaker mind. Sack him. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 21 minutes ago, Davis said: The horse is a mug. Brodie is right why is it still racing? It is plain for anyone to see that horse doesn't want to be on the racetrack, 50odd starts and he is still intractable. Weak horse with even weaker mind. Sack him. Tots agree with you D, I didn’t want to be the 1 to say it eeck. If I was owner I'd have rage. Enough rage to be like no more. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, Karrots said: Tots agree with you D, I didn’t want to be the 1 to say it eeck. If I was owner I'd have rage. Enough rage to be like no more. Look why start a horse like Spitfire at Winton? Winton is one of the fastest tracks in NZ. They go around 2:56 to 2:58 in most 2400m, mile rates 1:57/8 at this track. Spitfire is not good enough to go under three minutes and a sub two minute mile rate means he cannot keep up. Sack him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Davis said: Look why start a horse like Spitfire at Winton? Winton is one of the fastest tracks in NZ. They go around 2:56 to 2:58 in most 2400m, mile rates 1:57/8 at this track. Spitfire is not good enough to go under three minutes and a sub two minute mile rate means he cannot keep up. Sack him. I have no idea. I have no idea on Winton track either, never knew it a fast 1, but yeah makes sense. I was thinking Manawatu, if they are after going for that token win. But it costs to get there & after todays run umm, yeah 🤔 For me, I just couldn’t put the emotional energy, time or financial cost to race a horse like Spitty, but everyone is different. Be like 5 starts chance ish to get a place or win otherwise not interested eeeck. Is that ruthless eeck … Edited February 7, 2021 by Karrots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Davis said: Look why start a horse like Spitfire at Winton? Winton is one of the fastest tracks in NZ. They go around 2:56 to 2:58 in most 2400m, mile rates 1:57/8 at this track. Spitfire is not good enough to go under three minutes and a sub two minute mile rate means he cannot keep up. Sack him. Aveross spitfire won a workout at winton 2 weeks ago,running 2.58.7,last half in 56.3. It won easily by 5 lengths.The horse that ran 2nd in the workout was the horse who started favorite today in the stronger non win race,it running a very good third in its first start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, the galah said: Aveross spitfire won a workout at winton 2 weeks ago,running 2.58.7,last half in 56.3. It won easily by 5 lengths.The horse that ran 2nd in the workout was the horse who started favorite today in the stronger non win race,it running a very good third in its first start. Look no disrespect to the horses owners and trainer. For the record I think Amber Hoffman is an excellent trainer and she can improve a horse. Amber Hoffman has improved the Spitfires fitness there's no doubting that. But trials are not raceday, small trial fields at Winton no pressure. Raceday the Spitfire does't want to be there. I think Hoffman may win a race or two with him, but at what cost? Why spend tens of thousands of training fees to earn 8-10,000 in winners cheques if he happens to pick up a couple. You could buy a well-bred yearling for what it has cost to the train the horse over the years. Slow horses cost as much to run as a good one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 hours ago, Karrots said: I have no idea. I have no idea on Winton track either, never knew it a fast 1, but yeah makes sense. I was thinking Manawatu, if they are after going for that token win. But it costs to get there & after todays run umm, yeah 🤔 For me, I just couldn’t put the emotional energy, time or financial cost to race a horse like Spitty, but everyone is different. Be like 5 starts chance ish to get a place or win otherwise not interested eeeck. Is that ruthless eeck … Winton is one of the fastest tracks in the country. Manawatu not in same class mate. Addington first, Ashburton then Winton/Nelson. I know it is difficult for an Aucklander to understand.... most up there have never heard Southland let alone heard of Winton. Historically Canterbury and Southland are strongholds of harness racing. they are the only provinces where harness racing is more popular than the galloping horses. Southland has bred some of NZs finest harness horses, Young Quinnn and Cardigan Bay to name just two. Some of the best trainers and drivers NZ has produced are from Southland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Davis said: Winton is one of the fastest tracks in the country. Manawatu not in same class mate. Addington first, Ashburton then Winton/Nelson. I know it is difficult for an Aucklander to understand.... most up there have never heard Southland let alone heard of Winton. Historically Canterbury and Southland are strongholds of harness racing. they are the only provinces where harness racing is more popular than the galloping horses. Southland has bred some of NZs finest harness horses, Young Quinnn and Cardigan Bay to name just two. Some of the best trainers and drivers NZ has produced are from Southland. That track at Nelson is a bit wasted. Edited February 7, 2021 by mikeynz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Averos Spitfire owners need to realise that their horse just doesnt warrant spending thousands on to try and win a race now! When you have a horse that can not run a place in over 50 starts, you would think that you have a horse not worth persevering with? it has 2 3rds in its last 10 starts which is a major improvement to its first 50 starts but seriously, retire the horse as a hack, after its latest run! Who are these mug punters that back it and NZ TAB odds at under $3 to win is just lunacy!!! Edited February 7, 2021 by Brodie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Davis said: Winton is one of the fastest tracks in the country. Manawatu not in same class mate. Addington first, Ashburton then Winton/Nelson. I know it is difficult for an Aucklander to understand.... most up there have never heard Southland let alone heard of Winton. Historically Canterbury and Southland are strongholds of harness racing. they are the only provinces where harness racing is more popular than the galloping horses. Southland has bred some of NZs finest harness horses, Young Quinnn and Cardigan Bay to name just two. Some of the best trainers and drivers NZ has produced are from Southland. I think Ashburton fastest track followed by Winton,Nelson and Addington.The problem with Nelson is that it has a reputation,rightly or wrongly,of having a leaders bias.Or at least having to be in first 4 turning for home.Addington and Ashburton produce winners from middle of the pack.IMO 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Davis said: Winton is one of the fastest tracks in the country. Manawatu not in same class mate. Addington first, Ashburton then Winton/Nelson. I know it is difficult for an Aucklander to understand.... most up there have never heard Southland let alone heard of Winton. Historically Canterbury and Southland are strongholds of harness racing. they are the only provinces where harness racing is more popular than the galloping horses. Southland has bred some of NZs finest harness horses, Young Quinnn and Cardigan Bay to name just two. Some of the best trainers and drivers NZ has produced are from Southland. I missed this somehow. Lol, YES I was actually thinking, I don't even know where Winton is & was going to pull out the map (I'm guna check map right now for real) 😄 But then I think that about the South Island people would they know the smaller North towns .... All good 😄 Yes I noticed that re South is more prominent than North re Harness. Heard NZ Cup day is huge down there too. Had some mates from up here go to 2 years ago & they raved about it 😄 Edited February 7, 2021 by Karrots 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Karrots said: where Winton is & was going to pull out the map (I'm guna check map right now for real) 😄 Found it, its not far from Invercargill, and then further down Bluff. I know where it is now 😄 Edited February 7, 2021 by Karrots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Karrots said: Found it, its not far from Invercargill, and then further down Bluff. I know where it is now 😄 So I take it you ain't been down that far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, mikeynz said: So I take it you ain't been down that far? No, I would love to. My favourite place in NZ is Queenstown. Love it there. Would like to see more of South tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Brodie said: Averos Spitfire owners need to realise that their horse just doesnt warrant spending thousands on to try and win a race now! When you have a horse that can not run a place in over 50 starts, you would think that you have a horse not worth persevering with? it has 2 3rds in its last 10 starts which is a major improvement to its first 50 starts but seriously, retire the horse as a hack, after its latest run! Who are these mug punters that back it and NZ TAB odds at under $3 to win is just lunacy!!! Its their money,so they can spend it as they please. Do you get told how to spend your leisure dollar,and if you do ,do you take any notice? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, the galah said: Its their money,so they can spend it as they please. Do you get told how to spend your leisure dollar,and if you do ,do you take any notice? Agree. For some/many people still, it's the excitement of owning and following your own horse. It doesn't always have to be about money 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Ludwig said: Agree. For some/many people still, it's the excitement of owning and following your own horse. It doesn't always have to be about money That is all true. But why buy/lease a horse that hasn't won a race in over 50 starts. There must be far better options available to aspiring owners than the Spitfire? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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