Gammalite Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, Karrots said: this Kerr thing needed to be published. Does he need to put the boot in EVERYTIME to include JA & Mcgrath too when the story is not on them & their stories have already been well & truely covered Well because as a harness racing fan , you have read it all, doesn't mean Everyone else has. Many might be reading it for the first time in these reports . you and I and Brodie could just skip over it. Repetition too, sometimes has results as I was saying, in warning others within the industry, that you will/ may or should get caught too. Like those annoying tv ad's . makes you aware more than a once off. For those outside the industry , I feel the articles show a willingness by harness racing admin, to weed out the fraudsters / cheats and their illegal activity is not tolerated . Spose you're right, and some will think the games rotten. This Kerr thing certainly is ?? really rotten. p.s I hope the domestic violence bloke got dropped from the repeating articles, as really that is nothing to do with harness racing. a serious crime on a personal level there. that was awful. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taupiri Wonder Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 A shocking read indeed. Anything less than a Lifetime Ban would have been a travesty of justice. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Well because as a harness racing fan , you have read it all, doesn't mean Everyone else has. Many might be reading it for the first time in these reports . you and I and Brodie could just skip over it. Repetition too, sometimes has results as I was saying, in warning others within the industry, that you will/ may or should get caught too. Like those annoying tv ad's . makes you aware more than a once off. For those outside the industry , I feel the articles show a willingness by harness racing admin, to weed out the fraudsters / cheats and their illegal activity is not tolerated . Spose you're right, and some will think the games rotten. This Kerr thing certainly is ?? really rotten. p.s I hope the domestic violence bloke got dropped from the repeating articles, as really that is nothing to do with harness racing. a serious crime on a personal level there. that was awful. Its cool. I know there are people that think the amount of articles per story/person is reasonable & have their reasons as to justify why. I on the other hand along with other people don’t think its reasonable (quantity only) and we have our reasons to justify why too. Anyways moving on. Don’t forget the Jewels comp Gamms & ALL, details on the Countdown To Jewels page. Just waiting for Chief to get back to me with bank details. We have got to get it organised Gamms, you and Chief may have a BIG final counting job of points to do on the day. Edited April 14, 2021 by Karrots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 hours ago, greyhound said: The bit that gets me is the arseholes who think that it is alright to keep this quiet within the industry and shun the people affected. Don Bates should name and shame these lowlifes who are no better than Kerr themselves! Spot on mate. Don Bates does not deserve this, he tried to help Kerr and was ripped off. Disgraceful that some in the industry tried to gag Bates and tried to laugh off Mr Kerrs' many crimes. Good riddance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: What rule is that one? 319(1) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: What rule is that one? If you want to know exactly what the rule number is. Look it up yourself! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Taku Umanga said: 319(1) That's easy to circumvent. Just employ and pay them through another non-racing enterprise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 What I don't get about all those baying for blood and a public hanging don't seem to have any motivation to seek changes to the way the industry is managed. For example the over selling of horses in syndicates has been happening for years and I would guess there are still instances of it. Where are the checks and balances from HRNZ to stop this from happening? You could apply the same to horse insurance. If a horse is insured then a copy of the policy should be filed with HRNZ. Yep go for rubbing out the "cheats and low life's" (their labels not mine) but why not jump up and down and seek change in the way the game is managed to PREVENT rorts from happening. Are those that have taken decades of large salaries and perks while at the TAB or HRNZ dong what seems very little any less thieves? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robalan Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 What labels would you use Chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 They say that Mitch Kerr lost a helluva lot of money betting sith the Ladbrokes Bookmakers in Oz! You would think that the Bookies there would know who was losing so much money wouldnt you? So the fact is that the Bookmakers didnt have any worries at all about a young NZ trainer losing huge money! The NZ TAB advertises that they care about punters losing money!! They also care about punters winning money as well, as they chop them off at the knees by restricting them to pathetic amounts! So what punters do these Bookies actually want? Yes Mitch was responsible for his actions and they were very bad actions and I dont condone any of them whatsoever! What I do know is that the Bookies and the TAB’s are ruthless and do not care about their customers at all, or something would’ve been done to restrict Mr Kerr, who clearly was in trouble with his gambling!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Brodie said: So what punters do these Bookies actually want? Well the Punters want to win Brodie, and the Bookies want to take punters money. Big time gamblers that don't care if they win or lose (just having fun) a well catered for as high flyers in casino's etc. Bookies don't care as you say about the 'small trainer losing big'. He turns up with money. they don't ask where did you get it? just give it to us thank you very muchly!. Do all those pub's and club's ask the pensioners (and others) where their money comes from each week as they shove it all in Pokies? No , it's just welcome back !! here's some reward points. ! see you again real soon . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 52 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That's easy to circumvent. Just employ and pay them through another non-racing enterprise. What ? and tread the lines of honesty. What about workers insurance, benefits etc. ? the employed berry picker injured by a horse on the trainers property ? how did that happen. Surely Trainers are Smart enough to ONLY employ people who are capable of holding a licence?? Owners have paid good money for some of those horses, and pay good money for their preparation. The trainer should have good reliable staff to achieve this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have a go Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 The chief troll supported this cunt when he was guilty now life ban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Have a go said: The chief troll supported this cunt when he was guilty now life ban I haven't seen anyone on BOAY in support of Kerr. I have seen some display some compassion though. But that shouldn't be confused with support. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 The chief stripe comment after comment supported this crim time after time defended this problem gambler who did not care who he ripped of or the image of the industry.you chief are a disgrace when blind Freddy could see the allegations were true.in lighting this fraud will the police in two countries become involved now.he belongs in jail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 27 minutes ago, Forbury said: The chief stripe comment after comment supported this crim time after time defended this problem gambler Quote ONE post I made that supported Kerr? Forbury people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Geez you are really excelling yourself tonight two posts on the same topic under two different accounts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewFitzgerald Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: See no reason why he can't. As far as I know you don't need to be a licensed stablehand to work in a stable. The license only gives you access to the stables oncourse on race or trial days. Incorrect - A ban from racing means he can't do anything with Registered Standardbred Racehorses. Can't step foot on a racing property. 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Yes because HRNZ have no jurisdiction over that part of the industry. There is nothing stopping him from breeding and selling yearlings to make a living. The question that needs to be answered is where does a punishment begin and end? As I understand it he is still facing criminal charges. So he is likely to get punished again. What rankles me is the hypocrisy in the industry when some participants take an extreme position over and above what the rest of society takes. He couldn't breed or sell yearlings at a sale as can't own or have anything to do with them in the lead up. NZ is abit different to Aus around this as there is something different around ours being registered at sale time and Aussie ones not or something. That's why some disqualified people are allowed at sales in Aus (well it was allowed last year when I was at the Aus Sales and a disqualified person was their inspecting) 1 hour ago, Davis said: Spot on mate. Don Bates does not deserve this, he tried to help Kerr and was ripped off. Disgraceful that some in the industry tried to gag Bates and tried to laugh off Mr Kerrs' many crimes. Good riddance. - I was surprised at Don's comment, I haven't heard anyone say anything (not saying it hasn't happened) bad about anyone who was ripped off. There are a number of others owners who sat down with the RIU to give their evidence and information re their dealings with Mr Kerr and they're still regular attenders of Racing Meetings in Canterbury and have never had anything bad said to them. Don is on this site, so perhaps he could let us know who said the comments as they're pretty disappointing. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, AndrewFitzgerald said: Incorrect - A ban from racing means he can't do anything with Registered Standardbred Racehorses. Can't step foot on a racing property. But where in the rules does it say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, AndrewFitzgerald said: Incorrect - A ban from racing means he can't do anything with Registered Standardbred Racehorses. Can't step foot on a racing property. He couldn't breed or sell yearlings at a sale as can't own or have anything to do with them in the lead up. NZ is abit different to Aus around this as there is something different around ours being registered at sale time and Aussie ones not or something. That's why some disqualified people are allowed at sales in Aus (well it was allowed last year when I was at the Aus Sales and a disqualified person was their inspecting) - I was surprised at Don's comment, I haven't heard anyone say anything (not saying it hasn't happened) bad about anyone who was ripped off. There are a number of others owners who sat down with the RIU to give their evidence and information re their dealings with Mr Kerr and they're still regular attenders of Racing Meetings in Canterbury and have never had anything bad said to them. Don is on this site, so perhaps he could let us know who said the comments as they're pretty disappointing. how do you know he is on this site? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: how do you know he is on this site? He's the cheif troll that's why he trolls everyone for his vile pleasure in his boring miserable life.i got pick six today and I still win the same with five winners got to love forbury 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Forbury said: i got pick six today Congrats Forbs. Then you can afford to donate the $10 to our Jewels comp 😄 Its just under subscriptions 😄 Not trolling you, just saying. And just repeating as Gamms identified earlier in this thread that sometimes peeps do miss things 🙃 So repetitive is good to drum the message home 😁 Jewels $10 donations wanted 🤑 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Syndicates This case illustrates HRNZ ownership rules and lack of encouragement by the administration to communicate with them . If you have the smallest interest in a horse you can have it recorded - HRNZ should have an open door policy and encourage enquiry from anyone. Post this seasons sales there are many owners and trainers and agents actively selling shares in young horses. HRNZ needs to firstly draft a legal but in lay speak universal syndicate agreement with rules and manager/trainer expectation re accounts, communication and what share each member owns with the full list included in doc as appendix etc. Present “by the rules “ document means prospectus , annual audit and other papers as if you are floating Fletcher’s. There needs to a universal concise syndicate paper and a horse with more than 10 owners ( or whatever is the maximum for the race book ) must have a registered syndicate held at the conference and no start at any offical trail of race until paper work is completed . This needs urgent action 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewFitzgerald Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: how do you know he is on this site? Might be the other site he's on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel of Judas Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Think this is classic case of why don't invest my money in Harness .Untill clear up Syndicates investments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Davis said: Spot on mate. Don Bates does not deserve this, he tried to help Kerr and was ripped off. Disgraceful that some in the industry tried to gag Bates and tried to laugh off Mr Kerrs' many crimes. Good riddance. Totally agree with you both, If Bates is getting hassled, thats a bloody shame. If people had come forward earlier, instead of covering everything up, many of those customers would not have been fleeced. Its what i have said, people are loyal to the crooks of harness, owners support crooks, they do not care what they get charged on, they just keep going back, and back. I feel a little sick about the game recently, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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