JJ Flash Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Robalan said: You may be correct there Trotsfan, but Jensen had the authorisation of the HRNZ board to sign off on the deal Which at that time was chaired by Spicer.? Edited August 17, 2021 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Therefore @JJ Flash cannot argue one way or another that Woodham negotiated well or badly because to quote you it was decided "a a percentage of overseas betting on their own code". I can't really follow your logic other than you appear to be doing what you accuse me of whenever I pull Brodie up on his wildly inaccurate and nutty posts You seem to be arguing for no reason FFS the poor negotiating was agreeing to the above If Mr Woodham's hands were tied because of a previous CEO or Board decision as subsequent posts allege then sorry Mr Woodham, it's your predecessors that have shafted us ... and you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 16 minutes ago, Michael said: I can't really follow your logic other than you appear to be doing what you accuse me of whenever I pull Brodie up on his wildly inaccurate and nutty posts You seem to be arguing for no reason FFS the poor negotiating was agreeing to the above If Mr Woodham's hands were tied because of a previous CEO or Board decision as subsequent posts allege then sorry Mr Woodham, it's your predecessors that have shafted us ... and you The fact is there has been no comprehensive breakdown of performance from either NZRB/RITA/TAB NZ or the three codes since November 2019 for the year ending 31 July 2019. For example that was the last time there was any publication of the breakdown of exported/imported races by code. Correct me if I'm wrong and point me in the right direction OR post the data. Most of us are guessing unless we are privy to inside information. Since McKenzie and Saundry took over detailed performance information has dried up completely. SO it is IMPOSSIBLE for stakeholders to assess the performance or lack thereof of any of the administrators. Where are the respective organisations Strategic Plans and Business Plans? Woodham is looking to find an "overseas partner" to improve "awareness of the NZ Harness product with Australians". What does that mean? How much are they spending on marketing this coming season now that they are responsible for that and not TAB NZ? Can we really be confident that the promises of bucket loads of money are going to be forthcoming this coming season? There is ZERO money in the TAB NZ coffers so each of the codes are going to have to deliver on revenue (product) targets but based on what plan? FFS Harness is still working out their race programme for the coming year!!!!! Are they doing that with their "overseas partner"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The fact is there has been no comprehensive breakdown of performance from either NZRB/RITA/TAB NZ or the three codes since November 2019 for the year ending 31 July 2019. For example that was the last time there was any publication of the breakdown of exported/imported races by code. Correct me if I'm wrong and point me in the right direction OR post the data. Most of us are guessing unless we are privy to inside information. Since McKenzie and Saundry took over detailed performance information has dried up completely. SO it is IMPOSSIBLE for stakeholders to assess the performance or lack thereof of any of the administrators. Where are the respective organisations Strategic Plans and Business Plans? Woodham is looking to find an "overseas partner" to improve "awareness of the NZ Harness product with Australians". What does that mean? How much are they spending on marketing this coming season now that they are responsible for that and not TAB NZ? Can we really be confident that the promises of bucket loads of money are going to be forthcoming this coming season? There is ZERO money in the TAB NZ coffers so each of the codes are going to have to deliver on revenue (product) targets but based on what plan? FFS Harness is still working out their race programme for the coming year!!!!! Are they doing that with their "overseas partner"? Thanks, I am privy to inside information I told you that I posted it, we have been beaten into submission I believe it is correct so I’m not bothering to dig out previous Distributions and get my calculator out to confirm it What would be the point for me to do that other than to appease you? Would it change anything? Would it improve my life? If you are so concerned about receiving confirmation that our % share is less than previously why don’t you just ring the Chairman and ask him? You could loosely describe yourself as media, and media can ask questions Just do it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mikie said: Thanks, I am privy to inside information I told you that So you have to have "inside information" now to know what was once public information able to be seen by all stakeholders? How do we know it is accurate? 5 minutes ago, Mikie said: If you are so concerned about receiving confirmation that our % share is less than previously why don’t you just ring the Chairman and ask him? I didn't make the assertions or post assumptions on BOAY that others had. I queried how did they knew when the data had not been published. As far as I'm concerned if it hasn't been publicly published like it has in years gone by then I doubt its veracity. Has the administration of TAB NZ and the Racing Codes fallen to the level of secret squirrels, not what you know but who you know, smoke and mirrors, BS and arse covering? If Harness Stakeholders don't have access to the key information such as how many NZ Harness races were exported (were ALL NZ Harness races exported?) AND what the turnover was on those exported races how can our administrators be held accountable let alone supported? 10 minutes ago, Mikie said: I believe it is correct so I’m not bothering to dig out previous Distributions and get my calculator out to confirm it What would be the point for me to do that other than to appease you? You believe it is correct but how do you know? In the past EVERYONE who wanted to know could find the information. Now some of us are reliant on trusting the likes of you and @JJ Flash who have inside information and who trust what they have been told. I assure you it isn't just to appease me - any stakeholder in the industry should have a desire to know whether their administrators and code is performing and getting a fair deal. 12 minutes ago, Mikie said: If you are so concerned about receiving confirmation that our % share is less than previously why don’t you just ring the Chairman and ask him? I shouldn't have to ring him. He should have published the information that supposedly he has at his fingertips instead of getting a PR consultant to write nonsensical press releases. It used to happen before McKenzie and Co started to dominate things why has it stopped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So you have to have "inside information" now to know what was once public information able to be seen by all stakeholders? How do we know it is accurate? I didn't make the assertions or post assumptions on BOAY that others had. I queried how did they knew when the data had not been published. As far as I'm concerned if it hasn't been publicly published like it has in years gone by then I doubt its veracity. Has the administration of TAB NZ and the Racing Codes fallen to the level of secret squirrels, not what you know but who you know, smoke and mirrors, BS and arse covering? If Harness Stakeholders don't have access to the key information such as how many NZ Harness races were exported (were ALL NZ Harness races exported?) AND what the turnover was on those exported races how can our administrators be held accountable let alone supported? You believe it is correct but how do you know? In the past EVERYONE who wanted to know could find the information. Now some of us are reliant on trusting the likes of you and @JJ Flash who have inside information and who trust what they have been told. I assure you it isn't just to appease me - any stakeholder in the industry should have a desire to know whether their administrators and code is performing and getting a fair deal. I shouldn't have to ring him. He should have published the information that supposedly he has at his fingertips instead of getting a PR consultant to write nonsensical press releases. It used to happen before McKenzie and Co started to dominate things why has it stopped? I really don't mind whether you know that my information is accurate or not I believe it because I respect the person who told me I shared it with you but don't need to justify it to you You can believe it or not, I don't really mind Chief You also seem to be focussed on how many races were exported? I don't see that as the biggest problem (that being the $1.3 million) According to Robalan and I have no reason to doubt him Harness is apparently now not getting an equal share of NZ betting on Aussie races, despite making way on Saturdays so that more Aussie races could be fitted in That's would be why we only got $3.1 million 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Well have the new perfect date for Thurs Alex meeting 19th - to be transfered to Camb 21st Saturday Unless there was a contract signed re this no Sat agreement … but wait …. seems like the contract IF there actually was one is now VOID. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Karrotsisback said: maybe it was similar to Brods being battered into submission with restrictions hehe. Plenty of fight still left in the old dog. Delta will get him before the TAB does 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unhinged Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 23 hours ago, Trotsfan said: Doesn't look like any stakes increase at Methven all races programmed for 8k The rules or whatever you want to call them means you have to pay out 100% percent of stakes over the season, some meetings like the cup or green mile day will require stake top ups from other days but over the season you will find stakes have increased at Methven. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Plenty of fight still left in the old dog. Delta will get him before the TAB does This is true, other than his TAB account balance taking a massive hit due to restrictions (potential earning loss), now with Lockdown plenty of time day & nite to swan around on BOAY re-announcing "Im restricted, Im restricted" hehe. BTW Poster M, I already know you are Poster M. Or were you like inside at home on computer posting, then quickly like oh crap need to go to supermarket, get some loo paper. Then at supermarket & only have other account to like log-in on phone, so post at supermarket from ph. Then back home, back on computer, then like post again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Karrotsisback said: Well have the new perfect date for Thurs Alex meeting 19th - to be transfered to Camb 21st Saturday Unless there was a contract signed re this no Sat agreement … but wait …. seems like the contract IF there actually was one is now VOID. Just reading on HRNZ site this - excellent stuff HRNZ - YES push for Saturday - Saturday - Saturday. That means the Thursday meetings at Auckland and Winton will not go ahead and that Friday's meeting at Addington will also be cancelled however HRNZ are working with the TAB to see if this meeting could be transferred to a Saturday day meeting. HRNZ will provide an update on this tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Karrotsisback said: however HRNZ are working with the TAB to see if this meeting could be transferred to a Saturday day meeting. I'd be very surprised to see TAB NZ agree to that but I guess we live in hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I'd be very surprised to see TAB NZ agree to that but I guess we live in hope. Why? Was there a signed contract re Saturdays or no? Edited August 17, 2021 by Karrotsisback 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Michael said: I can't really follow your logic other than you appear to be doing what you accuse me of whenever I pull Brodie up on his wildly inaccurate and nutty posts You seem to be arguing for no reason FFS the poor negotiating was agreeing to the above If Mr Woodham's hands were tied because of a previous CEO or Board decision as subsequent posts allege then sorry Mr Woodham, it's your predecessors that have shafted us ... and you Michael you are a clown!!!!! Whoever you previously were, get your facts correct!!! What inaccurate posts are you referring to! Put up or shut up!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 13 hours ago, Brodie said: What inaccurate posts are you referring to! Good God there are so many. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Good God there are so many. Dont relitigate Purdon and the West Coast- oh go on then , just one more time!!😄 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Dont relitigate Purdon and the West Coast- oh go on then , just one more time!!😄 Yes yes yes that earned the brodster the flashing light of dishonesty. Continues to wear it with [insert mother of Jenner] 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: Yes yes yes that earned the brodster the flashing light of dishonesty. Might it be that he is not really restricted then with NZTAB. Just thinks he is and posts about it to make him feel some sort of something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 17 hours ago, Karrotsisback said: This is true, other than his TAB account balance taking a massive hit due to restrictions (potential earning loss), now with Lockdown plenty of time day & nite to swan around on BOAY re-announcing "Im restricted, Im restricted" hehe. BTW Poster M, I already know you are Poster M. Or were you like inside at home on computer posting, then quickly like oh crap need to go to supermarket, get some loo paper. Then at supermarket & only have other account to like log-in on phone, so post at supermarket from ph. Then back home, back on computer, then like post again. It's no conspiracy Karrots I tried to post as Mikie and couldn't, which was because I asked Chief to disestablish me because my self control was lacking I then tried to rejoin and the systen wouldn't let me register as Mikie, so I used Michael Now I seem to have posts under both names I really don't mind what I'm called, if Chief can consolidate me under 1 name that's fine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 16 hours ago, Brodie said: Michael you are a clown!!!!! Whoever you previously were, get your facts correct!!! What inaccurate posts are you referring to! Put up or shut up!!! Let's start with you advising us that Donalds Trump is still the president of USA you clown 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Michael said: Let's start with you advising us that Donalds Trump is still the president of USA you clown FFS, Trump should be in charge you clown! Trump did a great job for the U.S. Look at the total eff up that Biden has made. Everything is turning to shite with the stupid old git in charge!! Trump was robbed and there was so much fraud that went on!! The Americans and the world is going to pay for the mistake of allowing the fraud to take place. The United States is in such a mess and there is going to be terrorism around the world now due to the weak Leadership of the left! Petrol prices are going to continue to climb, World peace is in trouble due to Biden and his Pathetic leftist socialist dickheads! Watch this space! Edited August 18, 2021 by Brodie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Michael said: It's no conspiracy Karrots I tried to post as Mikie and couldn't, which was because I asked Chief to disestablish me because my self control was lacking I then tried to rejoin and the systen wouldn't let me register as Mikie, so I used Michael Now I seem to have posts under both names I really don't mind what I'm called, if Chief can consolidate me under 1 name that's fine Got it, my other thought was maybe Poster M is playing Jedi Mind games with the peeps 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 Well Chief seems like for whatever reason the TAB or whoever it is has gone against Saturday. As note that the date now says Sunday for Addington. So both Ashburton and Addington say Sunday. Of course it will pend whether lockdown is extended or not. Wonder what reasoning they gave to HRNZ for this?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Brodie said: World peace is in trouble Well America was always gunna pull out of Afghanistan by September .they said it at beginning of year. Australia were out earlier this year and think UK pulled out 2014 or something like that. Same thing happened when the American 's pulled out of Saigon at end of Vietnam War. all the communists were coming into town then , as the Taliban are right now in Afghanistan. fully prepared. why is everyone so surprised? Should be more peaceful now. for world peace I reckon at least. Was pointless staying there for any Western nation. better to leave that damned place to it's own demise. Yes i do feel sorry for the women and girls , who lose any chance of study and go back to strict Sharia Law. the poor things, but what can you do ? bloody backward places in the world are mostly middle east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrotsisback Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 32 minutes ago, Karrotsisback said: Well Chief seems like for whatever reason the TAB or whoever it is has gone against Saturday. As note that the date now says Sunday for Addington. So both Ashburton and Addington say Sunday. Of course it will pend whether lockdown is extended or not. Wonder what reasoning they gave to HRNZ for this?! Latest update, so its a 17 race mega meeting ALL races at Addington, with discussions involving TAB, HRNZ, Addington & Ashburton Clubs. https://www.hrnz.co.nz/news/addington-to-host-17-races-on-sunday/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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