nomates Posted October 9, 2021 Posted October 9, 2021 I thought Elephant got a poor ride from the draw and toughed it out well, but it's hard to watch that ride in a G1 . Not only in NZ he. Quote
Joe Bloggs Posted October 9, 2021 Posted October 9, 2021 In all honesty Probabeel should be fav for the Cox Plate after yesterday, I lived a stones throw from the Valley, trained a few winners there, walked the track many times, feel if Incetivise goes to the Plate he might not be suited, the pressure goes on there a long way out, he's a super good horse I'm not knocking him, but the mare has the racing pattern to suit that track......IMO, if I was the Lindsay's I'd be getting really excited. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 9, 2021 Posted October 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, nomates said: I thought Elephant got a poor ride from the draw and toughed it out well, but it's hard to watch that ride in a G1 . Not only in NZ he. They went close to the track record. Elephant looked ready for 2,000m - the Jockey stopped riding him fairly quickly. Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 9, 2021 Posted October 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: They went close to the track record. Elephant looked ready for 2,000m - the Jockey stopped riding him fairly quickly. J.Mac and now D.Lane not up to scratch!!Unbelievable..probably the top 2 hoops in Oz. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: J.Mac and now D.Lane not up to scratch!!Unbelievable..probably the top 2 hoops in Oz. JMac hasn't been in top form lately. Many commentators have said that. As for Elephant I only made a comment that the Jockey stopped persevering with Elephant fairly early in the run home. Of course @holy ravioli you can rely on past observations rather than viewing the present. Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: JMac hasn't been in top form lately. Many commentators have said that. As for Elephant I only made a comment that the Jockey stopped persevering with Elephant fairly early in the run home. Of course @holy ravioli you can rely on past observations rather than viewing the present. These 'commentators' need to check out -Racing New South Wales Home (racingnsw.com.au)-JMac is dominant. Jockeys in Oz and HK have to ride their horses out. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 9 hours ago, holy ravioli said: Jockeys in Oz and HK have to ride their horses out. You obviously didn't watch Elephant's race or the Jockey's comments afterwards. Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: You obviously didn't watch Elephant's race or the Jockey's comments afterwards. I did watch the race. Elephant was pushed out 3 wide and spent halfway down the strait. No jockey error. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 56 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I did watch the race. Elephant was pushed out 3 wide and spent halfway down the strait. No jockey error. I didn't say there was Jockey error. Your bias took you there not me. So we agree the Jockey stopped riding halfway down the straight because the horse was doing its best. Quote
Freda Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 He's come a long way in a short time...all credit to the horse. He'll be some animal next prep, as long as all is well with him. 3 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Freda said: He's come a long way in a short time...all credit to the horse. He'll be some animal next prep, as long as all is well with him. They were 0.5 seconds off the track record too. So it wasn't a bad run. Have they decided to finish this campaign? 1 Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 10, 2021 Posted October 10, 2021 38 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I didn't say there was Jockey error. Your bias took you there not me. So we agree the Jockey stopped riding halfway down the straight because the horse was doing its best. Fair enough...my apology. It was this comment I attributed to you by mistake-'I thought Elephant got a poor ride from the draw' Quote
Freda Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: They were 0.5 seconds off the track record too. So it wasn't a bad run. Have they decided to finish this campaign? No idea. But I shouldn't think they'd ask too much more, surely? Tough competition and he's tried hard every time. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Freda said: No idea. But I shouldn't think they'd ask too much more, surely? Tough competition and he's tried hard every time. Well his target was the Cox Plate which they won't get a run in now. So I guess the option is to give him one more run as planned in something else. Caulfield did catch Zaaki out as well. 1 Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Well his target was the Cox Plate which they won't get a run in now. So I guess the option is to give him one more run as planned in something else. Caulfield did catch Zaaki out as well. Zaaki was beaten about a length and a half by 2 good horses. How did Caulfield 'catch him out'? Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: How did Caulfield 'catch him out'? The super hard surface for one. This is what Craig Williams said: "He's not as comfortable around Caulfield and even when they outsprinted him late, he still stuck on. Neashem didn't agree and felt the early dawdle didn't help him and Williams should have let him bowl along rather than constrain him. Quote
Gammalite Posted October 11, 2021 Author Posted October 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Great photo. Is that blinkers Chief? You can almost See the great mare trying harder than ever, as Nonconformist looms outside her ? and comes in to her view. (tongue in cheek) difference between win or 2nd maybe ? hehehe Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The super hard surface for one. This is what Craig Williams said: "He's not as comfortable around Caulfield and even when they outsprinted him late, he still stuck on. Neashem didn't agree and felt the early dawdle didn't help him and Williams should have let him bowl along rather than constrain him. So Neasham didn't think the track caught him out.Very good. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: So Neasham didn't think the track caught him out.Very good. She wasn't riding him. Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, Chief Stipe said: She wasn't riding him. No kidding! Williams tries to find a plausible excuse on why he was beaten on a $1.20 pop. Had a cushy run and was presented to win. Of course the person who made this statement...'Caulfield did catch Zaaki out as well.' Didn't ride him either.Lol. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Of course the person who made this statement...'Caulfield did catch Zaaki out as well.' Didn't ride him either.Lol. That's my opinion. But there is some irony in that you deride my JMac comment but then proceed to deride Williams view. Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 Just now, Chief Stipe said: That's my opinion. But there is some irony in that you deride my JMac comment but then proceed to deride Williams view. Two different circumstances...you referred to anonymous 'commentators',and are now citing the actual rider in 1 event. JMac has the most wins,best % s/r and earnings of all the elite jockeys in NSW. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: JMac has the most wins,best % s/r and earnings of all the elite jockeys in NSW. So he should given the horse talent he gets to ride. However that isn't to say he hasn't recently gone through a flat patch interspersed with some rides that have been below his normal standard. But you're the expert judge who only seems to post to knock a selected few individuals opinions. Quote
holy ravioli Posted October 11, 2021 Posted October 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So he should given the horse talent he gets to ride. However that isn't to say he hasn't recently gone through a flat patch interspersed with some rides that have been below his normal standard. But you're the expert judge who only seems to post to knock a selected few individuals opinions. I believe in statements made on a factual basis,not an emotional one. He gets good rides because trainers,owners and even his fellow jocks acknowledge his exceptionnal ability. When did this 'flat patch' occur...is it current? p.s I realise he did not win on some well fancied runners...c'est la..vie! Quote
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