The Centaur Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Trackside TV put on sock in it!!! Bad enough leaving the TV on midweek between gallops to get a full barrage of greyhound statistics from the lady. Now it seems she's been "instructed" to do the Maori thing. So we are getting Otaki pronounced Otaaaarki, Opaki pronounced Opaaarki etc etc. My advice stick to whats natural. Better still remove the greyhounds to the other channel. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanut Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Better still remove the greyhounds period. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 They had a well spoken, class presenter in Jayne Ivil (who was an ex jockey to boot) but refused to use her and she subsequently departed to greener pastures. Not even a speech therapist could improve the hacks they're using at present. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Carter Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 4 hours ago, The Centaur said: Trackside TV put on sock in it!!! Bad enough leaving the TV on midweek between gallops to get a full barrage of greyhound statistics from the lady. Now it seems she's been "instructed" to do the Maori thing. So we are getting Otaki pronounced Otaaaarki, Opaki pronounced Opaaarki etc etc. My advice stick to whats natural. Better still remove the greyhounds to the other channel. Are you anti Greyhounds or anti Maori . Looks to me you are using the greyhounds to showcase your rascist views. FYI its not Otacky or Opacky!!! Get with many young New Zealanders that are learning to speak the Maori language properly and enjoying it. It actually puzzles me why this rascism is not picked by the moderators and blocked. This is not the first time you have shown your true colours. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, Tim Carter said: Are you anti Greyhounds or anti Maori . Looks to me you are using the greyhounds to showcase your rascist views. FYI its not Otacky or Opacky!!! Get with many young New Zealanders that are learning to speak the Maori language properly and enjoying it. It actually puzzles me why this rascism is not picked by the moderators and blocked. This is not the first time you have shown your true colours. Its definitely not Otaaarki. It would be closer to say ortucki but that may not be 100%. What do you know about my true colours? Its you who is being racist. If I recall correctly in the previous posting I agreed with Willie Jackson. Go and call him a racist. I object to your slurs. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Carter Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 16 minutes ago, The Centaur said: Its definitely not Otaaarki. It would be closer to say ortucki but that may not be 100%. What do you know about my true colours? Its you who is being racist. If I recall correctly in the previous posting I agreed with Willie Jackson. Go and call him a racist. I object to your slurs. Maori thing? Not racist? You have posted similar posts in the past and by the way I am half Maori . That you can find fault with the way this Pakeha lady has taken time to pronounce a Maori place name correctly is interesting . So you think it is natural to incorrectly pronouce Otaki and Opaki . If you object to my so called slur , you will have to live with it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Tim Carter said: Maori thing? Not racist? You have posted similar posts in the past and by the way I am half Maori . That you can find fault with the way this Pakeha lady has taken time to pronounce a Maori place name correctly is interesting . So you think it is natural to incorrectly pronouce Otaki and Opaki . If you object to my so called slur , you will have to live with it . I suppose saying "Maori thing" was a bit obtuse. Should have elaborated. I meant all the carry on that is going on by do gooders ramming down peoples throats messages that are doing more harm than good. Clearly the lady in question had altered her pronunciation of Otaki but what was coming out was worse than before. You seem to have misunderstood my posting which basically agrees with your wish of better pronunciation. The rules of most forums is you don't personally denigrate other posters. Bit arrogant if you think the rules don't apply to yourself. Edited September 15, 2022 by The Centaur 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Personally I dont think we should be subject to all this Maori stuff like you get on radio and tv and I'm not anti Maori, it's no different to being subject to religious rhetoric, lots of this stuff is part of the woke society, so is this shit with the rugby union having to have a certain number of fems on the board. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 13 hours ago, The Centaur said: So we are getting Otaki pronounced Otaaaarki, Opaki pronounced Opaaarki etc etc. My advice stick to whats natural. Really? I think if everyone stuck to saying what is natural rather than what is respectful, it would be a very unpleasant place to be. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 It's a beautiful language and should be embraced. The only small beef I have, is that when presenters on mainstream Tv use Te Reo, there are no subtitles which could help the likes of me, who struggle to pick up individual words [apart from the very familiar ones] and therefore can't add to one's vocabulary. Many countries have several languages in use, there is no earthly reason why we should think that one is enough. After the earthquakes, I don't think there could have been anyone who objected to the messages of ' Kia Kaha, Christchurch ' from all over the country. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Many years ago I wrote to Sky Channel here in Oz to complain about the mispronunciation of Maori names, I pointed out how hard must it be to school up considering we are ANZACS........and so many NZ names are Maori. I finished my apprenticeship in Otaki, 50 years ago, I lived there for a year, it was a different place, a different era, my Uncle who served two years as a POW in Germany during WW2 returned to NZ and married a Maori girl from Otaki, Kohi Baker a direct descendent of Te Rauparaha, so she was 'Royalty' so to speak, my cousins pronounced Otaki different to us Pakeha's, so did all the old Maori, but never once did they chastise us, they were tolerant and polite, the local Pub was just brilliant and we had a pool comp that was Maori v Pakeha, and we all would have died for each other. It was a different world the NZ I knew, never forget the Maori Battalion, who bought us that beautiful soulful goodbye song ''Now is the hour'' the British Lions used to sing that along with the crowds at the final test of their tour before departing back to the UK and NI........and Lest We Forget, look at the recent All Black teams, where on earth would NZ Rugby be without the Maori and Pacific Islanders?.........Here on the Gold Coast our NRL team has a captain of Pacific Island origin, the announcers on our local FM radio station all pronounce his very difficult name correctly, .Racism stinks, all it takes is respect, to foster a better world we need respect, there, I've said it, it remains 'said'...... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 8 hours ago, curious said: Really? I think if everyone stuck to saying what is natural rather than what is respectful, it would be a very unpleasant place to be. The snippet you have taken is out of context. If you bothered to read the full context the point that was being made that Otaaarki is not the correct pronounciation so in those circumstances rather than change to something that is incorrect better to stick to whats natural. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted September 15, 2022 Author Share Posted September 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: Racism stinks, all it takes is respect, to foster a better world we need respect, there, I've said it, it remains 'said'...... And what stinks even more is calling someone a racist when that person has been a staunch campaigner against racism and without any knowledge of the person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 23 minutes ago, The Centaur said: The snippet you have taken is out of context. If you bothered to read the full context the point that was being made that Otaaarki is not the correct pronounciation so in those circumstances rather than change to something that is incorrect better to stick to whats natural. I completely disagree. Those attempting to and practising getting it right should be applauded not denigrated. Most Māori I know would agree with me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Whoa, I didnt call you out as a racist, racism stinks, that's what I said, anyone, anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else because of race or colour is a racist..........FFS,.......it's good to have debate on anything, that's healthy, but what's divisive is, not acknowledging the correct pronunciation of a name, or names, I do my best to pronounce Aboriginal names the way an indigenous person does, I dont always get it right the first time, but I work on it.......that's respect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 32 minutes ago, curious said: I completely disagree. Those attempting to and practising getting it right should be applauded not denigrated. Most Māori I know would agree with me. Does it matter what race agrees with you? I suggest practicing not being hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Haha , you should have heard my wife trying to pronounce some of the names of small towns in Scotland when we were there 3 years ago , bloody funny . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 22 minutes ago, The Centaur said: Does it matter what race agrees with you? I suggest practicing not being hypocritical. When it comes to language, yes it does. Those who speak and are the kaitiaki of the language are surely the authorities on its use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted September 16, 2022 Author Share Posted September 16, 2022 1 hour ago, curious said: When it comes to language, yes it does. Those who speak and are the kaitiaki of the language are surely the authorities on its use. So what you appear to be saying it only matters now. Where were those intentions in years gone by when there wasn't any attempt to get it right. I remember listening to the golf commentator from the UK. He is being told the correct pronunciation of a European competitor but then says "no that's not what I'm going to use. He(the competitor) is in the the UK now." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Geez, is it Frisky Friday? For what it's worth, in my humble old aged white man's opinion, you are all wrong. There has only ever been one true purveyor of the secondary language here in New Zealand. He was a legend and his piss taking was what endeared us to listen and learn. So very sadly missed in this fake and shoved down your throat environment today. RIP Billy T. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Carter Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 Billy 2 hours ago, KickintheKods said: Geez, is it Frisky Friday? For what it's worth, in my humble old aged white man's opinion, you are all wrong. There has only ever been one true purveyor of the secondary language here in New Zealand. He was a legend and his piss taking was what endeared us to listen and learn. So very sadly missed in this fake and shoved down your throat environment today. RIP Billy T. Billy T was brought up in my era when it was frowned on to pronounce the Maori language correctly. Billy would be proud of how most New Zealanders are now treating our language with respect and understanding. For example 1st XV Rugby teams are performing the Haka better that we used to back in the day. TV Presenters , not forgetting our own Racing Presenters and Commentators are to be commended as well. I do agree with Freda in that English sub- titles need to be used more frequently and that it can be quite frustrating for non -speakers of Te Reo . Billy took the piss and we all loved it but it was a comedy show , nothing to do with our secondary language. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Tim Carter said: Billy took the piss and we all loved it but it was a comedy show , nothing to do with our secondary language. I might add that te reo Maōri is not a secondary language. It is an official language of New Zealand as is English (and New Zealand Sign Language). At least equal statutorily and if anything primary given its widespread use preceded English here. Edited September 16, 2022 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 The Australian indigenous peoples spoke 250 different dialects when the first fleet arrived, now it's 120.......when you see the cave paintings that go back 100 thousands of years, it makes the hairs on your neck stand, how the Maori navigated by the stars? unbelievable, if you ever get the chance, you should visit the South Pacific Museum in Santiago Chile, the display and description of Maori migration will make you dizzy, nothing in NZ comes close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) On 15/09/2022 at 6:30 PM, Tim Carter said: Are you anti Greyhounds or anti Maori . Looks to me you are using the greyhounds to showcase your rascist views. FYI its not Otacky or Opacky!!! Get with many young New Zealanders that are learning to speak the Maori language properly and enjoying it. It actually puzzles me why this rascism is not picked by the moderators and blocked. This is not the first time you have shown your true colours. Calling someone racist because they say they prefer to hear a presenter on trackside talk in a language they understand instead of one they don't,is such an over the top comment. Suggesting his comments should have been moderated or blocked i think the stupidest thing i have ever read on here. Edited September 16, 2022 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Joe Bloggs said: how the Maori navigated by the stars? They didn't. They were island hoppers driven by hunger. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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