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If , big IF , they are making that much and it's a regular thing , AND nothing is changing re stakes funding , their bullshitting . And i would suggest they are bullshitting . If they were doing that over a year we would be swimming in money , but we are still in a very small stream . How long since the transitional team was put in place and SFA has changed at the coal face . I could say my business makes X every month , but after all my costs it ends at only 55% of " what i make " , and their costs are substantially higher than mine .

They are really going to need exceptional turnovers to help cover the extra expense of incentives . Can't really see turnovers being any different to any other day , if anything it wont surprise me to see betting stagnate . As iv'e said a couple of times , there are a lot of fascinating angles to watch for when it starts up .

Don't read it then , simple . Perhaps you could enlighten us why you think the A/W's are going to work . Just because the track is built doesn't make it right or that it will be a success . Did you watch Timaru today ? why do they need an A/W when they have Autumn/Winter tracks that can present like this .

Well any self respecting punter who does even the slightest bit of study or has regular knowledge of form , as a rule will disregard horses with purely soft 8/9 and heavy tracks when they run on a D4/5 . There is the rare exception , but they are few and far between and usually catch punters out . There is a reason they need wet tracks .

They can xfer as many meetings as they want , the reality is that any horse that requires a S9 or H10/11+ aint going to run on an A/W , not on a regular basis anyway , the races will be run too quick for them . Popplewell and Rodley suggested yesterday that horses that have heavy track form xfer it well to the A/W's , got no idea where they get their data from but you don't have to be a scientist to work out that if a horse needs it's 1200 mtr race to be run no slower than 1.16 to be competitive is going to struggle on an A/W . As i said earlier they can run all the A/W meetings and xfer as many meetings as you want , but if you don't have horses that are competive on it they will not run there . They will struggle to have enough numbers to run meetings at Cambridge , god knows how they will sustain it in the CD or SI . They are specific types of tracks and a lot of horses once they have shown a dislike for it will not be tried there again , so numbers will dwindle eventually , once they do will it will left to be seen whether they have sufficient numbers to run the number of meetings they want to . The interesting thing for me will be watching which trainers utilize the tracks and with which type of horses , wont take long to see patterns . But as has been expressed regularly by trainers , no probs they will stil have great training and trialing tracks to use . And all that before the discussion about whether punters will take to them , i wont on the basis that i do as per a usual raceday , only if i don't want to miss a horse i have been following .

Looking at Timaru today one could almost suggest that they already had an A/W track in the region . The brain dead fuckers that want to close this track are showing how little understanding of what this industry needs . Why on earth would you want to race on an A/W track when you can race on this . Massive agendas at work now .

So trying to fundementally force trainers and owners hands into running on the A/W by giving them very few other alternatives . This could cause a reverse reaction in owners just not bothering putting their horses into work , or if their horse was tried on the A/W and disliked it forcing them to retire their horse because of lack of grass track oppertunities . A very dangerous path to tread . I see up north that the weeks where there is an A/W meeting at Cambridge there is mostly only a Saturday on grass , there a few mid week grass track meetings sprinkled about but not many , again trying to foce peoples hands . So will it reach a stage there where horses that owners don't or can't run on the A/W will wait for oppertunities on grass and we end up with bulging nom's at those grass track meetings , and then would NZTR do enough splitting of races to ensure all those horses get an oppertunity or will they keep the numbers down to force them back to the A/W . Again a dangerous path to go down . I must say tho with the A/W track racing about to get up and running it , for me , is the most interesting thing to happen in our racing for a long time , i am watching with great intrigue , it is will be fascinating to see how it unfolds . Could be blood on the carpet .

Perhaps all rugby and rugby league players need to be scanned before every game to ensure they will not incur concussions , oh and cover administrators liability ( arses ) .

One of the main reasons for the decline of the number of horses being bred is the unrealistic service fees being put on horses going to stud . Asking 5k for a horse that might have won a G3 or a G1 placing is unrealistic if you want numbers . Go to the stud book and see what some horses are advertised at , ridiculous . Numbers on the ground is what it is all about , Zed was the template for kick starting a horses career , charged bugger all and got the numbers , got some nice horses and away he went . They don't have to go that cheap to start but it's the right idea . Stallios need runners so what's better 80 covers at 2k or 35 at 4k , they all just want to make money straight away , it's not the way it should be , stallions and their owners have to earn it , just like any other part of racing . Check out Derryn , Grangewilliam have got it right , good race performance , some pedigree , went to stud at 3k i think , but look at the numbers , 100+ first 3 seasons . Now they have given him a chance , if he fails well it's because he's not good enough . And then you have stupid grazing costs and vet costs on top , everybody just clipping the ticket , just like training costs .

You ain't that cute , giving yourself too much credit .

Chief is the gremlin , you should know that by now .

Well they work very hard at attracting new and younger people to their course , but along the way they have treated the regulars , racing and punters like they weren't important . This tho is an industry wide problem . Look after the ones that got you there first then work on getting new people in . This is principly why NZ racing is going backwards . Many who were in the game have walked away and aren't coming back .

Not sure .

Ok back at bottom , where they deserve to be .

Interesting , my posts went up top , how did that happen chief .

Biggest issue is that most were by M Khan who has had a slow start to his career and the other horse is just beginning . Saying that MK still advertised at 10k , this is one of the issues with people not breeding , most stallions are over priced . That's before you factor in grazing and vet fees . There was a time when grazing was part and parcel of the service fee .

Not pulling out , it's all about not being able to get horses to China because of Covid .

More than likely they will be too slow to race on a good surface , will require a rain affected track to be competitive , so wherever they run on the grass .

Plus the SI's biggest trainer said he wouldn't have many if any runners on the A/W so the job has become much harder down there . I would suggest trainers from outlying tracks that are slated for closure aren't going to help NZTR's case for closing them by supporting the reason they are being closed .

Another issue for SI numbers to run on the A/W at Riccarton , the SI's biggest trainer wont be propping up their fields so this is going to be very interesting where the numbers are going to come from .

Exactly , but hey they know what they are doing . The one way they could stack it in their favour would be to offer very good starter incentives , i.e. $1000 per starter , that would force a few hands perhaps , but that becomes unfinancial . This is all about turnover , and even if they are getting 10 horses per race is the turnover going to be there , the big question .

And this is just the beginning of the their A/W season , Tasmania is very similar to us with wet winter tracks and wouldn't have the largest horse population so will be an interesting watch . If i could be bothered i would go back to last season and see what their numbers were like , might do it later .

My money is on , that by the end of winter they are going to get a fright at how small that group of horses are going to be . There is a reason we have agroup of horses that race in winter , they require at least a slow 9 to heavy 11+ , so how many of that group are even going to attempt racing on an A/W , maybe the odd conditioning run . So now we are relying on mostly horses carrying on thru from Autumn and horses coming back in earlier than they would for spring racing . I think it could become embarrassing . I want to be wrong but i just cannot see where the horses are coming from on a consistent basis . And god forbid we start having injuries or worse .

Tui Ad , yea right .

Many of them will because they get few opportunities , but for me it's time to can them , most end up looking like" Whacky races " , not a great look for our industry , although you could say they mirror our industry .