Gammalite

Think you're right Brodster. it seems to be with Ladbrokes that not just kiwi's but any Winning party is frowned upon if the collects get too big. You and NoworNever sound excellent form with your bets so were shut down quickly. ENTAIN owns and runs Ladbrokes and Sportingbet agencies here so maybe they have similar rules for them. About 2 years ago my Son had signed up with Ladbrokes as a newbie, and he wanted a good tip so I gave him a good looking runner (probably a Purdon one lol ) and his $100 ew bet netted about $1k . Account promptly showed 'suspended' and he couldn't place another bet?. very silly of them really. so he never did. Their loss really . I think the Ladbrokes computer hates winning bets and reacts with a suspension if someone wins without losing. NoworNevers 'strike-rate' number of hitting the Q's and Tri's must of passed the cut-off point of being 'Too many collects' as well . so they cut him off. Is hard to work out Why Ladbrokes wants to cut All kiwi's though. since they (Entain) has just moved into the NZ TAB there. Do they just want them ALL (you kiwi blokes ) betting At the NZ TAB to keep track of you all or something ? I have used the Sportsbet company for quite some time and have no problems. (with 100 ew anyway)

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not . For your sake I hope it was. (must be awful to be sad when the fantastic Autumn racing season on The last 6 weeks have seen not only the biggest prize money races ever (at Cambridge) with 2 of the best ever to grace the race-tracks winning those 2 Features (Merlin and Just Believe) but we've seen 4 nights at Auckland with 20 Group Races containing the best horses of Two nations running each week . For every age group and gait. we've had Self Assured, Don't Stop Dreaming , Muscle Mountain, Merlin , Duchess Megxit , Empire City, Better Eclipse , Paramount Kiwi, Cyclone Jordy, YouretheOnethatiwant, Mach Shard, American Me, OscarB , and 100 more star horses running. Most ran several times . Nothing to be sad about Newmarket. What could of possibly made it better ? did you think Swayzee should of turned up ? . what would of helped ? a yank turning up maybe? You're probably right though in that it can't get any better than that , cause it's at it's Premium best for 6 weeks. How fantastic it was. Every good Trainer in the country racing there too. I spose if LEAP TO FAME turned up you would have the current Interdominion Champion to Put the cherry on Top ? , The Aucklanders have got to see the great Interdominion Double Champion Trotter JUST BELIEVE anyway 🏆, as he takes home the TAB slot-trot and the Rowe Cup. Sad for his rivals I spose , but don't blame the North Island . They put on some great races. was a pleasure to tune in and enjoy. We have 6 weeks of racing at Brisbane shortly with the Winter Constellations Carnival. the time of year to tune in and see some great racing horses and Not be sad. (bit like Addington Cup week)

You and I know old friend. they nearly ALL need hopples. Crystal got a suspension for that as hit Mark Purdon wheel while easing out at the quarter mile. You need hopples for balance at the best of times and you run the risk of that fierce gallop without them if you get a slight check. Also a Junior driver in a Group 1 isn't the best idea??. on a free-legged horse. sure fire Recipe for something to go wrong . Crystal Hackett is doing ok, and making good progress as a driver. and did indeed get the horse home at odds in the Messenger .Bit of a fluke though. SO I would still think Tony Herlihy MNZM or MauriceM MNZM or usual Purdon stable driver Zac Butcher would be a better option's , since they were ALL sitting on the sidelines. you need the Best out there in the Best races. Sounds harsh , but it's a Very high pressure 2 Mile race , and it's easy to make a mistake like Crystal did , with the in-experience and massive nerves of the occasion.

that is great . A lovely family . Suzanne has shares in most as part of their training arrangement. The Herlihy's have roped in as many people they can muster into shares in lots of horses (including long lost son's at times) and are doing their best to keep the numbers up in the North to keep the game alive there. Big Dean doing well at her brother Barry's too. Yes some love a big punt to get their thrill/buzz (brodie an exponent of that at BOAY lol) Think he would like to be KerryPacker the 2nd and get a million on in one bet if could 🤣) my biggest ever was $1000. only because couldn't get beaten. did that twice on same horse on 2 occasions on a 2-1 on shot I was driving Moonee Valley. led all way both times so collect 500. seemed alright at the time .I certainly wouldn't risk punting like some do when you're just hoping they can win or were odds they couldn't resist. Have to be near over the line before i'm interested lol.😂 Yeah good to see them come from all over the shop to win at Alexandra Park too. Track plays alright if you ask me. quite high standards and maintenance I imagine by trackstaff.

hahaha Like a Tassie island playground. thinking Nz would do well as the 8th state?. the Montana ,Entain man could build a few resorts here and there (possibly on all the closing race-courses ) and then everyone have a good fun time.

Of course People care where they come from Walt . absolutely. This very site (forum) generates every second thread about where they come from virtually. I started a Woodend thread Thursday just because impressed of what is happening there at the moment. The very previous thread to this one I think. Any Auckland or North Island Trainer/races has generated enough flak here to sink the Bismarck and the Titanic togeather. I have fought hard to maintain the image and tradition of North Island racing here for a long time .(because I know a lot of the competitors and like them) Brodie has given it the both barrels for years. He cares where they come from. Seems not impressed with the Standardbred Breeders stakes now either, by the look of it with Boudicia winning 😂 . Connections of the horse will be happy though which is nice. 💰🏆. Glad you Not disappointed with the Aussie victories though Walt. Personally I was bitterly disappointed with Aussie Swayzee winning at Addington NZ Cup , and what happens with horses at Grimsons . The ones that come from there sure get a boost for a while . I will be posing a question to the Galah, about some of the NZ mares being sent to his close associate kiwi Jack Trainor at some stage so watch out for that one. Where they (winning horses) come from is a great topic of discussion over the years . Allstars and TeAkau have copped 'plenty' , as has Emma Stewart in recent times here and elsewhere. support and criticism. People do care where they come to answer your question. Your second Question?. Well Just Believe has clean swept heats and Final the past 2 Interdominion Championships (beating Bolt for Brilliance once too) , so that speaks volumes of his ability. He did have to get serious , and zip around to the lead early on from the back . But MARK Purdon , being near best trainer Driver on the planet , recognized immediately , he was always racing for 2nd in the Rowe Cup . so trailed him and ran 2nd. All you can do sometimes. Trotters aplenty had to do that against Sundee's Son recently as well.

The Aussies won Both them Walt 👍😎. NZ has Never got BUZZ 🐝 out of the Aussies winning at any sport as far as I have seen 😁. Mark Purdon 3rd in all 3 of the Group 1's was a bit deflating as well ?. You mentioned recently he has lost a length or 2 on the others now. Because we are So Used to Him Winning them 😉 . and his stable has an extraordinary amount of 2nds in the past year too? . (along with that slap in the face by Swayzee in the NZ Cup as well) On a REAL POSITIVE though, The Group 1 Trotters Derby was quite good though ? I got a Buzz out of the Herlihy stable winning it over the Powerful Phil Williamson and Allstars barns. A Fantastic drive by the nights unsung Hero Tony Cameron too. There was comment somewhere about No northerners in the Rowe Cup , so is great to see these potential ones coming through like InaSingleMoment . TonyH is a fabulous trainer of trotters and great to see him WIn the Derby. esp after the hard 'Bolt' times the injuries with 'Bolt' curtailing him was a tragedy. Exactly 2 years ago he (Bolt for Brilliance) trotted a super quick 4.01 2 miles, beating the DUNN champ Sundee's Son by 6 lengths into 3rd in the Rowe Cup. (funfact: Tony Cameron was 2nd in that Rowe Cup driving warhorse Temporale for the Hacketts and beat Sundee home too ! what a warrior he was ) so I guess you are right Walt my friend . Just Believe 🇦🇺 winning at short odds last night a wee bit 'Less-Buzzy' than that 🙄.

lol. don't worry about that Chief mate. the mighty feathered one always questions everything in harness and keeps the whole game honest and on their toes 😆😂 possibly a lawyer in a past life he could grill the teeth out of a chicken. As for the Dunns, when you look at the many staff on the 'Unhinged Woodend video' each week going to and fro and busy as a Tokyo airport nearly . Tiz a big busy set-up at the beach alright. Perhaps John should put his name on the 'Training Ticket' though. He might regret not having all those Training credits in future years down the track. Robert Dunn had some great results last century with a few horses (esp Master Musician) so is no surprise Dexter and John are absolute World Class operators. doing well and why. Sundee's Son really setting a massive trotting standard. Think they need some Auckland and NZ Cup runners though if they are going to be the Headline Act of the NZ harness scene. with Diamonds instead of Stars (Mark) .

All but swept the entire card tonight at Addington , with the Diamonds winning plenty. I lost count there was so many. I think the Edmonds trotter 'A Fine Patrick' probably works with them as well , and whatever the case , the Woodend Trainers ran the Trifecta in that trot for good measure anyway( in race 8 ) with Bob Butt 2nd and John Dunn 3rd Bob even got John to drive his first start horse 'Dynasty', in the last race of the night to victory to cap off a Woodend Wonderland of Winners ! A Wonderful Woodend Wipe-up ! 😉

What is all this Walt? you've gone into the Springtime NZ Cup Stuff?? and on on AUCKLAND CUP Eve ? With the great race on once again tomorrow night at Alexandra Park , Hope you weren't betting on your 3 mates of Bonnie's Chance , Delightful Lady and Hands Down on this occasion . Let's see how they got on for a great bit of AUCKLAND Cup History.

Proof. Evidence Put a couple of fences in front of them . That'll put off the thoroughbreds and get the little tackers back in the hunt.

Well some things are just occuring as times progress/ change mate. There is an excellent cohort of 'old stars' on BOAY that have great opinion . (Although would be fantastic if we could get some youngies to add to that). One of things commented on frequently is the small fields eventuating now in some areas. There are reasons for this . As Brodie often pointed out the 'Costs' of racing a horse a skyhigh now, and you have pointed out at times the lack of training facilities available to the new players is dwindling. A lot of places supply training facilities in Oz (like Cranbourne has done for Te Akau) to give them a good go at it. Seaton Grima and Jack Trainor and co have barns at Menangle so the club helps their future stars out a bit. (leasing them space) So I liked the small fields tonight , as like I said the races are easier to win that way. Your 14-18 horse fields thundering around in NZ are a thing (a good thing ) from the past . Too hard to win them now for owners trying to keep an interest . (and pay the bills) Small fields are more common all the time. They only have 8 in those doggie races afterall. Having 2 two-year-old races tonight you weren't a fan of, but 2 sets of happy owners is a good thing , and you are still able to get a bet on if you want. I even put a 10er on John Dunn in the first 😂 thanks to the Galah for that , making it look like John Dunn could win 2 x 2yearold races tonight instead of one. Nice work by 'Bruntie ' there. 😁👍

Absolutely correct. They're all just making a living out of it . (the participants on race-days) at those 2 QLD venues. The Handicapper helping them to do such by providing weekly races. This also happen at some regional centres like Mildura, Tassie (racing there much improved with Ben Yole out currently) Tamworth NSW , etc etc . I imagine the betting on those venues is VERY SMALL. like the crowds that attend. I wouldn't bet on any of them as exactly like you say , They're going through the motions and competiveness is mild. They just run and race according to barrier draws really. NZ has MAssive more variety (types and classes of racing) , and plenty more Feature Racing (that I enjoy very much) you guys are obviously been spoiled greatly by not realizing the great racing month to month with many many features , and even some Aussies getting there now making it all the more exciting. In fact I see criticism time to time with The Race, Invercargill Cup, Welcome Stakes, any North Island trotting' at all 😂, and now even the Auckland Cup ? under 'Heavy BOAY artillery fire' Instead we get the headline like this thread has ? so I was a bit awful about Doomed assessment I guess , as as far s I could see AUckland has Many of the Best Horses currently racing in the Southern Hemisphere racing this week ( and most weeks lately) and I couldn't see why you wouldn't/ couldn't shouldn't enjoy that. The Autumn racing has been fabulous. So yes the Mundane racing here is not worth betting on and Punters would DEFINITELY feel it , as you described , as Not exciting. Personally, I only bet for fun and not about the money at all . trying to increase what I have already is not why I do it. I bet on friends and family and people I admire , sometimes a horse I admire, and win or lose I get some enjoyment from the contest.

yeah you're probably right. I've seen a hundred thousand races, but have never known what the betting was on any of them ever or cared in the slightest. I guess I've always thought 2 winners was Way better than One (for owners, drivers and Trainers) so thought it would be for the punter too I guess. I do know you have a one in 6 chance of Actually Winning the race with 6 starters, and Only a slim 1 in 12 chance of winning the race with 12 starters. I can tell you which one I PREFER as an owner , trainer driver or Punter. The much easier to pick 6 -8 horse one. Akuta paid $5.90 in the 9 horse field Auckland Cup last year . Money for Jam. We run 3 times at Albion every week and 2 at Redcliffe Every week. Stake money is mild . But a race is supplied for the 500 horses in training in the catchment Every week. Very important and makes it sustainable for the participants. I don't know what the betting is . could be a 1000 , could be 10,000 per Race who knows. But if you put the races on Consistantly for your participating owners and Trainers . they will turn up . You need races that You are able to Win though . NZ needs a Good handicapper to achieve similar. You can Bag me All you like , but No , I wasn't jesting . I was impressed they split the 2 year olds at Addington to give 2 lots of owners a winner (very important to keep owners winning) and if people won't bet on it . Tough titties for them . I'm sure they're not looking at turnover. Dunn's will probably Win both 2 year old races at Addington anyway . The gutser s 🤣😂.

Every race should have just 10 starters. then everyone gets a chance. 12 or more sees the slower ones start to get in the way a bit, and more incidents happen. Thankfully the GRINS race and assorted good races like that are limited to 10 . Addington tomorrow night having 2 fields of 6 horses for the 2 year olds. An excellent move. Makes sense as one making an error in the Big field of 12 could cause problems . Also you end up with 2 winners, 2 lots of happy connections , 2 lots of divvies , all good. Last years Auckland Cup only had 8 1/2 in it . Akuta putting paid to them easy enough. I was laughing at Butterworths/Greens horse 'The Big Lebowski' being tipped for the race as it wasn't even Open class taking on Akuta-Self Assured -Copy That. 😂. got beat that easy don't think it's raced again since lol. I collected handsomely off the 5-1 of Akuta and the champion young Marky Boy (gave most back though when Swayzee beat him in the NZ Cup -bloody Aussies getting in the way 😅) Dunn's 2 ended up going to Australia and doing average afterwards . 'Smithie Terror' and 'Bach'. why don't they have open class horses now ? Is it just Heisenberg ? he 's not 'strong' enough to start I spose.

So the best 4 horses are missing and you're crying about it. The owners of the 8 remaining runners are probably happy with the quality of their horses. Mach Shard and American Me have been in good form lately . Self Assured a bona Fida champion, former NZ Cup winner. Dual Auckland Cup winner. 8 runners this year with 133 wins between them with over $6,000,000 in prize money won. Looks like EXCELLENT Quality to me. Only thing embarrassing is your comment about the field being embarrassing. the winner this year only gets a bit over $100,000 for the win ? now that's a bit embarrassing I spose for one of the feature Group 1 's of the Nz Harness racing season. How's that then ?? talking about the horses that are there instead of not . Hope that helps you like them a bit more instead of thinking you're doomed all the time. (like that bloke in dad's Army 🤣)

What a whine Arse. Akuta and Copy That were the fav's last year but are out injured unfortunately. Merlin and Don't Stop Dreaming have had an excellent 6 months with quinella in the NZ Derby in December, both winning and picking up large cheques in Australia , then returning to NZ to quinella the Race by Grins and pick up a further $600,000 between them. They NEED a Break. So the Auckland Cup Looks a bit weaker without any of those 4 horses in it I spose, but they've won enough to please anyone. But how Good for the others ? the next rung down of quality gets the chance for a BIG Group 1 win . excellent stuff.🏆💰👍 Self Assured has already won 2 Auckland Cups so your comment insults him as well unfortunately. He's won the last 2 NZ FFA's as well. Better Eclipse was 2nd in the Interdominion Grand Final , so not too shabby either. As for the Trot . Rowe Cup. you have 3 of the Greatest trotters currently in the Southern Hemisphere in it. (and in the top 20 ever probably) What a Fantastic sight it will be !!!! unless the Mountain mucks it up like he did last year . The Aussie will be toooo good anyway. The trotting Derby Group 1 choc full of great 3 year old trotters. a fantastic race. and yet you 'd rather whinge and whine. Thought it was Poms that were whingers all the time.

you were probably held up at that window quite often, by the guy under the low brim hat and beady eyes darting about, getting his wads on? Brodie spotting a pole marker at 3-1 the place running the tote machine out of paper ?

Here's a good one Chief. The Aussie rules is pretty big in Oz and they have cheer squads that make up the banners for the teams to run through before most matches. Not the smartest folk going , But while assembling their banner for a match being broadcast on national tele last weekend , Wouldn't you think they would Spell their own Team Name correctly ? 😅🤣 ( and their ryhme isn't much good either 😁)

One of the greatest going. 2nd in 2 Interdominion Grand Finals and even travelled to Aus and beat their current Champion trotter Just Believe a few times. what an exceptionally good horse he was.

Fair dinkum' true Walt. Derek , Wolfie and Roy Purdon the absolute 'Grandmasters of the game ' always thoroughly polite to everybody , achievements in harness through the ceiling , All MBE I think? and possibly the top 3 in NZ history harness . although Nz has a brilliant field to choose from. Their sons and grandsons doing well accordingly too. Hey for BOAY and Newmarket s Addington thread. Here's one for you Walt and even Chief , Galah and Newmarket and Ranga might remember this one. The open class National Handicap used to run every Winter . and one year I was tuned in as a kid to the great commentary of Reon Murtha. Reon talking about the weather during the race Reon uttering "Unbelievable conditions here at Addington tonight , the fog so thick you can't make out where the horses are on the track and we'll only get a glimpse of them 100m from the line as they emerge from the fog . ANd IT's SUNSEEKER !! sunseeker wins the National !!!""" (quite apt a horse-name for the conditions , looking for some sunshine too ? 😂) Sunseeker (driven by Kevin Williams for Cecil) was a real outclassed horse of Cecil Devine's and defeated Lord Module and the very nice horse Roydon Scott to win that race on that cold Foggy Addington August night. Sunseeker being a very poor non trying horse, Never won (or even placed) in another race after that, from 50 more race starts over 3 or 4 years. taking on Hands Down, Bonnies Chance and co. Got no idea why Cecil kept sending him around. Probably just as a 'kill' for Lord Module I spose.? But he had that one race to 'shine' when All the others got 'lost in the Fog' . the sun(seeker) shined for a moment in time 😅🌞🌞

An impossible Task altogether Walt 😎. Gammalite never won in 6 career starts at Addington. He won 2 Big races at Auckland though , from 5 starts there. The 83' Interdominion and the 82' Auckland Cup. I don't actually know any of the connections of Gammalite. The photo above is Lightning Blue winning the 87' Interdominion Grand Final at Addington from QLDer Sunset Candios and NSWer Paleface Bubble. A great night out. I travelled many places with Lightning Blue but was unfortunately in Queensland competing when he returned to NZ for the NZ Cup bid later that year. (he won that as well over luxury Liner) Here he is tied up to a very old valiant. Used to stick the 2 stallions on either side of the car and just drive around for a while 😂🤣. good bit of exercise lol. He loved it and would stick his head in the window and chat To ya and have a good old time trying to pick the radio music lol.😆 He (Lightning Blue) is very fine build for a stallion. 'Blue' Would of beaten Gammalite by 50m or more if he ever had raced him. 'Blue' had to race much faster horses. Narrowly beaten by Master Mood in the Miracle Mile , A great win for NZ. Village Kid beaten into 3rd on that occasion in that Miracle Mile , so a great achievement to beat that speed horse champion home anyway.

And here we go !! I did personally see Gammalite win at Auckland in the Interdominion and an Auckland Cup there too, knocking over Walts leading ladies of Bonnie's Chance and Delightful Lady. also that cocky Aussie bloke Vinnie. But even better still , my one Addington visit resulted in this magical moment in time with the Aussie Trifecta in the Interdominion Grand Final .The magic touch from the BOAY master blaster gets the money. Mt Galah can't even beat this one .

Blah blah blah blah blah . just cause Gammalite ran second I spose 🤣😂🤣😎 what a fluke by that unruly horse. mmmmm some small FFA that nobody knows mmmm. I've been to South Island just once in life and can share a better one than that . I'll just find it.

Not only does 4 times the number actually force you to close in. You can actually start to push the rivals out of the quinella altogether . Physics and maths Chief 😆😉 Clearly demonstrated firstly by Barry Purdon and Phelan Quinellaed not one , but 2 Group races at Auckland on Friday night. But also by your man John Dunn winning BOTH the Group races at Addington on Friday night . the $50k 2 year old trot, But even more Importantly . Space. Space. Space> The prestigious Group 1 $100,000 2 yearold pace Welcome Stakes , running the quinella . He had 3 in it. The Allstars had 2 and were flogged by John with 'Got The Chocolates'. A Dunn horse ran 2nd as well. What is going on mate? John won the prestigious Trotting Derby and trotting Oaks with Sunny's Sister( flogging Mark there too) not long ago , and of course you saw what Sundee did to Oscar of Marks on several occasions (and everybody else) obliterating the World Record trotting 2 miles in 3 .56 at Addington. he was fast as the very best Pacers. staggering performances at times. So not only have the Dunn's caught up Chiefy matey, they are starting to overtake ? Heisenberg even winning lately ? 😁😂 Walt and the Galah are making me nervous. And Nat Rass drove a 'Dunn Trained horse' in the Group 1 Fillies Sires Stakes at Auckland and ran 3rd on Friday night .😳 Alarm alarm !! Good Grief !! is nothing sacred in NZ anymore .??😎😉 Is she trying to help the Dunn's overtake ? I better give her a call and tell her to pull her head in a bit ? 😅