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Yeahhh an absolute crack up thanks to Thommo, almost single handedly. Go BOAY.

I'm not disagreeing Thommo, I'm asking for evidence. Did they ask two customers/punters? Did they survey a large number? How did they come to that conclusion? Where's the beef? I know you worked at a chicken joint but you might remember this from your days in Ky.

Freda, I note that there is another provision in the gavelhouse Ts&Cs. You, as Seller: ..... (c) Declare that each Lot meets the description and parentage You supply; (d) Are alone responsible for the accuracy of the information that You supply under clauses 7.2 (a) (b) and (c) and if the information is materially misleading or inaccurate: (i) You fully indemnify Us against any action by the Buyer and any costs and expenses incurred by Us in connection therewith; and (ii) The Buyer is, without prejudice to the other remedies available to the Buyer at law (including to sue for damages or to sue for specific performance), entitled to cancel the sale and to a refund of all purchase monies paid in respect of such Lot from the Seller or from Us if We still hold the same.

Hahahaha!

Don't think he's questioning that. Think he's trusting that is the case. Last I knew David Hayes was a horse trainer. Mardigras is a punter.

That's what I said. It was driven by the HKJC. But where were punters asked about this as you claimed? Have you organised those primary school remedial reading and maths classes yet?

That's because I'm not aware of any evidence that HK punters were even asked and I don't believe a single thing you say and you never provide any evidence for your claims, even when asked. I think the HK Lasix initiative was driven by the HKJC, not punters directly. That is certainly in part because of the HKJC policy of total transparency which is driven by the idea that this will stimulate wagering. I'd be interested to see where HK punters were surveyed on the Lasix matter and what the results were if you have that data.

More bs. I suppose you wouldn't learn this working in a Kentucky Fried even if top equine vets were your customers. They base their fees on the clinical task performed and add on the price of any meds dispensed in the process. I've got 100s of vet bills to prove it. Never mind.

Might be a typo but I think you left the D off PD. The word is devolution.

I also noted that hat Wayne was primarily advocating for more better winter grass tracks in light of his experience with synthetics as a racing surface, and there also seemed to be a strong message that tracks and replacement tracks needed to be within 100kms of the horse population. In fact that all racing should primarily be within that sort of distance. There did seem to be general agreement that synthetics were a good training option but probably not justifiable where good well draining sand tracks were available.

Is there a pre-requisite to Punting 101 that we could refer Thommo to complete before he comes back on here?

If you know Joe, why don't you give him a ring or flick him an email pagan@ker.com . He can probably straighten you out on this. And you might serve him the respect of spelling his name correctly. Which Kentucky Fried did you work for there? Was Joe a regular customer?

I notice that Chatauqua ran 90 lengths from the winner in his trial yesterday. You might also say he was unlucky in that he was a bit slow away. I'm not quite sure how I'm supposed to relate either of those facts to my assessment of his ability or fitness Thommo. Please help.

I'm actually not that interested in their margin from the winner if they were unlucky Thommo.

Have you just worked that out - that horses aren't robots? That's exactly what I don't treat them as! Isn't that why you need to assess the percentage chance of a horse actually running up to it's fitness and ability and back it if the market has underestimated that?

OH..... nice shot of the princess being rescued. Has Thommo drifted out beyond reach or have the rescuers just given up on him?

No, I don't consider luck in the running at all sorry. If you have a reliable way of quantifying that the I'm all ears.

Haven't done that for about 4 years because I no longer have the necessary data sorry.

nah, he hasn't actioned anything. In line with the rest of this lot, who seem to have initiated 100 such reviews and reports and done nothing else but raise taxes.

Curious only runs 900 simulations, probably because of smaller field sizes in the US than the UK and Oz and wherever else mardigras bets that provides sufficient statistical rigour. That's probably more robust than the two that you run, one with blinkers on and one with them off.

The only simulating he does is with the deflatable princess from what I can see.

I'm a bit worried that this thread is turning into an intelligent conversation with constructive questions and answers. Please cease and desist. I'm not sure I can cope.

Yes, I'd tolerate it because they are not likely to be having any effect and as you should know it takes time and compromise to get positive changes in this game. I know nothing about any particular effect of Lasix on fillies. Please enlighten me. I'm aware that some horses can have an allergic reaction but rarely. I've taken it. I well know it makes you pee. That seems somewhere between relatively harmless and quite useful if reducing body fluid might be beneficial in some way. All drugs have risks, benefits and side effects. Have you never taken an NSAID despite the risks? If a trainer switches a horse from regular oats, chaff and hay type feed to an extruded feed mix that reduces gut weight by 20kgs, I suppose you'd want that reported too.

Sorry, not sure what you mean Ashoka. Putting what forward?