curious

I did think it was a bit odd to open the report with a quote from a nearly 50 year old Royal Commission report into racing, especially to then come up with recommendations that were similar. Are we really stuck with people still trying to implement ideas from 5 decades ago. Don't we need some 21st century vision? The context is not remotely similar.

That struck me too. Who the hell is "we"?

Feels like history repeating itself here in little ol' Aotearoa. The term colonisation comes to mind, and the actual tracks chosen to stay and go don't make an iota of sense to me in many cases.

Guerin ... "the abstract failure"? Is that a new colloquialism that has passed me by?

It may be important,,,,

Always thought it was Sah- va beel. Never heard otherwise. Definitely never heard sav as in saveloy.

Nice work Emily Margaret at that price. Started at 7's. I did have a rare bet on NZ racing on Morse Code though, but for other reasons than it was mentioned on here.

They could if the members agree. Rotorua has in their rules that s 27 of the Racing Act applies and that NZTR has the approval rights on distribution of assets in the event of dissolution. If the club continues but sells up it would presumably be at the discretion of their board or members what happens to that money. NZ Racing as far as I can see could only grab it by using that as a condition of the club continuing to race at another venue. If they walk away, giving up their dates and licence it seems to me that there would be no power to second their assets.

lol.....told ya... Thommo'll still probably tip it out tomorrow.

Agree. I have that at 10/1.

Don't rely on that. I'm still working on betting in OZ and don't yet fully trust my own assessments!

I make it a 14/1 chance

You should just add 20% I think and back it tomorrow if it wins.

It also has a name with two words barryb, is over 3yo after Christmas and has sidewinkers on. Should bolt in. And I don't see why you have too much trouble deciphering Thommo's selections. If you can get your head around the primary criterion which is that they won the day before you'll master it.

Bugger, both ran 3rd at 20s no divvie...the winner must be closer as Thommo said!

The good thing is it's both before and after Christmas at the moment, so should be good to go.

Just to add to my losing streak... Gulfstream Race 8 #3 Hy Kodiak Warrior Race 9 #7 Go Gone Gone

Foxton is not on the close list but so far as what you are saying they would be taking money from the Crown! And require legislative action concerning the Manawatu Racecourse Act.

I'm agreeing with JM. I'm saying that Winnie should have initiated the review, so that the outcome was known by now, although it may have been decided to wait for the review before deciding the terms of reference and there's some argument for that.

Told ya!

Yes, an independent review, aimed at an orderly reduction in track numbers would make sense. A financial model that has worked OK in the past is where funds from sale of tracks are retained by the club but used to purchase a pro-rata share of the track they are going to race at, so their funds are protected. The idea of handing assets over say from Gore, to spend on say an all weather at Cambridge is reprehensible.

Sorry, it's what is more correctly called totalisator duty, payable under The Gaming Duties Act. It is what was reduced from 20% to 4% in 2003, to align it with the rate paid by casinos. A matter ignored by the Messara report is that presumably, if it is removed for Racing, the Casinos will make the same argument. Of course the now $50m a year savings from that duty reduction was supposed to go, similarly to your suggestions, to a mix of stakes, infrastructure and to cover the costs of reducing takeouts. We all know what has happened there.

oops...make that due to be implemented at least...the first one was July 2008, that second one should have been July 2013, and this one July 2018. I left that bit out. It's supposed to be "at least once every five years".

That makes sense and I don't know why Peters did not insist that be underway alongside the Messara review. They are supposed to be done every 5 years and the last one was dated April 2014, so it's already well overdue. I'm not clear why this has not yet been initiated. It ends up being one of JM's recommendations anyway and the the Minister determines the ToRs, so they could be as you say. 4. Request that a Performance and Efficiency Audit of the NZRB be initiated under section 14 of the Racing Act 2003, with particular emphasis on the operating costs of the NZRB Would you include the betting levy removal in your above plan? Another $13m?

Thommo probably will in the morning!