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Here ya go Thommo... I'll add to my 0 for 8. I think that's closer than the 0/18 that you dreamed up..... and mostly 20-30/1 shots in line with the thread ..... unlike your 2/1 losers. Gulfstream Park R5 #5 Alcuin R9 #8 Royalty Salvatore

You on the piss Reefton? Hard to make sense of that post!

Yes, I remember your posting and the ensuing conversation on that. I'm not sure why Messara has not also proposed that option. It would be good (maybe) to get that in front of the DIA via the call for submissions on the report. Then it seems logical that as part of the ToR for the upcoming P&E review, that both possibilities get extensive analysis by the reviewer/s.

While I agree with Messara that "the racing industry and NZRB should commit to spending a small amount of time and money to conduct further investigations on the opportunity" of outsourcing, it seems to me that other options, including one that I've previously proposed, should be looked at simultaneously. That is the idea that the RB (or whatever new entity replaces it) continues to operate the tote business and control racefields and media rights on NZ racing and sports, and that we openly license other operators to conduct FOB business in New Zealand, with those licences restricting the offering of any tote related products.

Firstly Frank, thank you very much for coming on here. I do have a couple more questions for you please. 1. For say an existing 2000m turf track, what is the likely cost difference between fully re-laying it as a conventional turf track cf. Strathayr? 2. Do you have or can you point us to hard data supporting the claim that Strathayr is safer than conventional turf? 3. I realise this will vary due to location and weather patterns etc., but what are the approximate water use savings that are likely with a Strathayr cf. conventional turf? Many thanks.

Most of you have probably seen all this, but does BOAY want to make a submission? Review of the New Zealand racing industry (PDF, 3MB) Stakeholder feedback sought on John Messara’s Review of the New Zealand Racing Industry We are seeking public feedback on the report and its recommendations. We are particularly interested in feedback relating to the 17 main recommendations summarised on pages 9 and 10 of the report. If your feedback relates to a specific recommendation, please let us know which recommendation it relates to. Please submit feedback by 19 October 2018 by email to racingreview@dia.govt.nz or by post to: Racing Review Department of Internal Affairs 45 Pipitea Street Wellington 6011 PO Box 805 Wellington 6140 Rt Hon Winston Peters' speech to the racing industry - 30 August 2018 (Beehive website)

I applaud the initiative of this thread Hesi but I'm not clear why we are introducing and reintroducing discussion of an Evergreen Turf installation at Eagle Farm in a thread on Strathayr tracks. Frank has already appropriately declined to comment on behalf of Strathayr. I'd like to see the conversation focus on the question of whether or not if 1-3 AWTs are installed in NZ, whether or not a Strathayr or a synthetic would be the best option for those. Pros and Cons?

You may need to invent a two letter alphabet and 10 word vocabulary and try that!

Aren't shorter price horses contributing the most to turnover?

Really? Fortunately that meet is over so I can save myself any further embarrassment. Congratulations on posting another 5/1 shot winner, this time only a bit less less than 12 hours AFTER the race.

I assume that he will have been barred from attending race meetings, workouts and trials the same as every one else charged but that shouldn't preclude him from otherwise doing his day job.

No they don't. The pokies do.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=12122908

http://www.prorideracing.com/tracks/lindsay-park

That's why they have to be re-waxed and then fully replenished every few years. The worst part about it though is that when subjected to higher temperatures they generally become slower, their consistency changes, and injury rates increase from what I've read. I really don't understand where the bright idea to install three of them emerged from.

I think they might be a useful option for training and possibly jumpouts. Shouldn't be used for anything else though. Virtually all the ones installed in the US have been ripped out.

That's a fair point. I was trying to sustain interest in the regions further than a couple of hours from the 3 central tracks though by having racing events closer to home but more sustainable by having a chance for horses to have a couple of runs if they go to the expense of the travel.

Not sure why racing should get the CGT on horse sales. Every other industry would claim the same treatment wouldn't they?

I'd focus on moving Mohammed to the mountain, not the other way around.

Ruakaka...Well, my aim is to keep racing strong in the regions, but make them more cost effective for owners and trainers by running 3 day events there, not one dayers. Matamata and Cambridge. No unnecessary and part of the reason for having both a Strathayr and synthetic at the new Waikato and other two new venues so they can also act as the major training centres in the area.

And there's little hope of his fantasies being taken seriously either. There's no effing horses in Auckland. Why keep a racetrack there?

Did Bernie and Winnie write the report? The only mention of consultation in it is with the codes except that it says the venue planning working group plans to consult with all participants once they complete their draft plan in August. Is that happening?

Yep. All of those but primarily the latter.

Both an hour's drive from the Waikato track and very few horses there is my thinking ....

If you want to do the track closure thing, off the top of my head, this is roughly what I'd do. NI. Sell all Auckland and Waikato tracks and build a new facility in the Waikato with a Strathayr, synthetic, and probably a trotting track, most likely in the Waikato Greenfields development. Same in the CD. Probably in the coastal Kapiti/Horowhenua area. Sell the rest. In the regions, retain and upgrade Ruakaka, Hastings and New Plymouth. Those tracks to have perhaps two 3 day carnivals a year - say, Saturday, Wednesday, Saturday. Scrap the rest. SI. Similar. Build one new facility same as Waikato /CD. Possibly Darfield/West Melton area. Retain and upgrade/ fix Blenheim, one coast track (probably Omoto), Wingatui, one Southland track (possibly Ascot Park), and maybe one in Central Otago (Kurow?). Same as the NI regions these all to have one or two 3 day, 1 week carnivals a year. Clubs no longer racing on their home tracks to decide their own destiny, have the option to revert the useage to other community activities, retain the harness racing if they are shared facilities, sell-up and decide usage of funds. The latter could be to invest in and race at the nearest new or upgraded facility. Objectives are to consolidate tracks, retain strong racing presence in the regions, similar overall cost of around $200 million, allow access to RDF $s for all new facilities, have the 3 main tracks proximal to existing horse populations, reduce total tracks to round a dozen. 2-3 year full implementation.