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They've completely f&*ked themselves and NZ racing at the same time. Brilliant! Won't even have a sports bet there anymore except where they've farked up the odds as they commonly do. It's a wonder sports betting makes any profit at all. Watch the NBA markets for example. I thought this crapsite was supposed to remedy that by automating the updates!

Yeahh but time from start to finish doesn't mean much to some as far as I can make out. Personally, I don't care if it's CWJ, Lester Piggott or Bill Shoemaker. I'll take the hard facts over their comments every time.

If you rely on the advice and comments and other hearsay of the likes of jockeys and trainers you will end up in the losing punters bin for sure. That's what Thommo does.

I've ridden a few gallops with CWJ in my time. I do not question his judgement for a moment. I admire it. That does not change my assessment of a horse's performance against their expected performance regardless of track condition.

Isn't the proof of the pudding an assessment of her performance yesterday relative to other horses cf. her performance against those same horses or similar on different track surfaces?

Does it really make sense that I can say buy a piece of artwork for 10k and sell it 2 years later for 100k and pay no tax when some other poor bugger has done 2 years of hard graft for the same 90k earnings but has to pay tax on it? I agree with mardigras about GST. Why should I have to pay income tax on what I earn, then have to pay another 15% when I spend those earnings?

It says it was sent to the senior leadership team?

Unfortunately, it seems to portray an attitude not far removed from that which was portrayed in the first road show promoting these same, now failed, strategies that were supposed to generate $50m a year. Any questions or challenges, especially from a wagering perspective were met with disdain and a lack of any sound evidence or numbers to support the strategies.

Yep, had 20c in mine for yonks to watch. Probably since about the 2014 Melbourne Cup

Definitely. Them's the rules. Can't be paid to anyone else. Subject to Rule 505A, NZTR, on behalf of a Club, shall pay to a Trainer a sum of money, being (as set out in Rule 503(2)) 10% of the gross stakes (exclusive of trophies, prizes and the value of any awards or rights)

Why are they continuing? Sounds like it's not safe. If one breaks down and brings down half the field, what then? How come they even started racing on it in the first place?

It would be about 10.5% if you exclude NH races. Still nowhere close to 15% and NZ includes jumping races highweights etc. in their calculation.

Was that last season? Similar numbers to 2016. About 4.5%. A bit less than NZ.

Someone else may have more accurate or recent data?

I stand to be corrected but I think you are mistaken Fred. The NZ Pattern committee aim is about 5% Group and Listed races and it hovers around there. The latest figures I have for Ireland are 2016. 120 Group and Listed races from 2577 total races. 4.65%.

I can. They are about the same.

https://www.racing.com/news/2019-02-06/news-darren-weir-rad-board

Yes, Weasel, but Thommo thinks that proves the blinkers made her run faster even though he insists we should consider wide without cover/gave up/etc

I'm here. Seen but not heard perhaps?

Me neither though some punters (including barryb I think) make successful use of them.

Prove they made her go faster.

The 2017 financials show current assets of $13 and an operating loss of ($133,253).

Did here Kakama. DEVELOPING STORY: Darren Weir stables raided by Victorian Police Darren Weir Photo: Darryl Sherer Article Author Brad Waters 30 January 2019 Detectives from Victoria Police’s sports integrity unit have raided the Ballarat and Warrnambool operations of the state’s premier trainer Darren Weir on Wednesday morning. Rumours of an investigation into the Weir stable have been circulating around racing for months before the police hit the Weir stables. Police have confirmed they have arrested Weir and two other men and taken in for questioning. "They will now be interviewed in relation to sporting integrity matters, including obtain financial advantage by deception, engaging in conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of event or event contingency, use of corrupt information for betting purposes and attempt to commit indictable finanical offence, namely obtain financial advantage by deception," a Victoria Police statement read. "A number of items, including a firearm and what is believed to be a conducted engery device were also seized from the properties. "This investigation remains ongoing and has also been assisted by Racing Victoria." Weir’s stable sent out a Commonwealth record of 491 winners and won more than $31 million in prizemoney last season. Racing Victoria has released a statement on the matter. Almost all media organisations have named Weir but RV’s general manager of integrity Jamie Stier says the organisation was not prepared to name the trainer involved. “Racing Victoria’s Integrity Services team has been conducting an investigation into the activities of licensed persons in the Warrnambool and Ballarat areas. During the course of our investigation we sought the support of Victoria Police’s Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit on the matter, instigating their investigation,” Stier said. “The Sporting Integrity Intelligence Unit this morning executed warrants at properties in Warrnambool and Ballarat where they arrested three licensed persons for questioning. Members of the Racing Victoria Integrity Services team attended licensed stables to assist Victoria Police and to investigate potential offences against the Rules of Racing. “As the matters are the subject of on-going investigations by Victoria Police and Racing Victoria we are not at liberty at this time to disclose the identities of the persons arrested nor the details of the investigations. “Racing Victoria is committed to maintaining the highest integrity standards in our sport and, where appropriate, we will continue to work with Victoria Police on those investigations.” As the matter is ongoing, comments have been turned off on this article.  Racenet

I thought that was about beating.

Can't even do that. I'm the designated driver. Hope lunch is good. I've already been through and marked all the horses starting with B and D though.