Brodie

Tote pools nowadays on harness are too small to bet anything worthwhile Ranga! I only ask to be treated equally with all other punters, that is what kindness is all about!

As Chief has asked, where are the figures for fixed odds?? Matt Peden’s noteworthy bets do not seem that noteworthy to mention! $50 bets are worth mentioning!!!! If the fixed odds betting is increasing and profit yield increasing how about the NZ TAB allowing all punters on, Andrew???? Have a word to the Bookies or whoever you are getting these figures from and as Michael Guerin suggested, be fair to all Punters! we know they wont, as they like to treat punters differently and unfairly!

Karrots, you need to post stuff that is debatable and then they come out of the woodwork!

How about bringing on TAB Bookmakers on course that actually allow you to wager what you want????? Would bring punters back on course and some atmosphere as unfortunately it is flat as a pancake nowadays! One other thing that is limiting turnover is the ridiculous $1k identify yourself rule that was brought in!! FFS no one in NZ is money laundering $1k punting on harness racing, it is all about TAB wanting total control of everything, nothing at all to do with Money Laundering!!!

There was a lot of good stuff in all the interviews, and great to see something being done, even if it is just words at the moment! You can have all these ideas from participants, but they didnt seem to say anything about getting people back on course, without that they are pushing shite uphill!! Michael Guerin spoke a lot of sense in his interview with Greg! He said that the heavy restrictions on certain punters by the TAB basically is not in the best interests of harness! He said the Bookies decisions are crucial to the industry! He asked for the NZ TAB to have the SAME LEVEL OF FAIRNESS!!! Is this not what BRODIE has been wanking on for many years NZ TAB? The TAB business plan is seriously flawed and if they continue along the lines of driving punters away, there will not be the income for them to be able to pay decent money to the owners of the horses! TAB you do need to change NOW, take the bloody restrictions off the fixed odds or at least have them at a reasonable level not $200 or less!!!!! I do not believe they will because they have not got the expertise working there and they are only interested in keeping the yield up rather than profit!! Hopefully things will improve and harness racing will flourish but they need it to start in Wellington!!!

Unhinged, more money than sense lol. Great that you are having success for you and other syndicate owners! You are an enthusiast and trying to bring newbies into the game even if it is as a small share in your syndicates! You can only do so much we need new initiatives and to entice people back oncourse or enthusiasm for the sport will wane!! I don’t bother as much for a couple of reasons which most are well aware of, but I am but one of many that have been driven away from being oncourse. The atmosphere that the track used to bring is long gone unfortunately!

As the field sizes drop off we then have the issue of punters not bothering as there is not enough in it to bother having a punt, even if you can get reasonable money on! The tote pools now on most races are abysmal and I believe there could be a touch of boredom going on for many. there is no way in hell that all meetings are making a profit and this becomes a huge worry. Good to have a meeting at Oamaru on Sunday for a change.

The handicapping system is not working because jt is uneconomic to race horses in NZ, and owners are getting the stitch and new ones are not coming thru!! Addington Friday night has 2 races for $15k each and have 6 and 7 starters?????? There is a huge disparity in the ratings of the horses as well, one is 62 to 100!!!!!!! The other has about 20 points different and they are both mobiles! Things are definitely at the crossroads for whether we have much of an industry in the medium term, but for it to continue things have to be changed! We need owners to be able to afford to race horses, we need PUNTERS to bet on races to give income for the owners to have a chance!

I am well aware I am not the only restricted, I am in bat for all restricted punters! Whether others are smarter in your eyes is up to you JJ! Not worth the effort to make money nowadays when there is far easier ways to make money

Yes I see it differently JJ! There is no way in hell that there is more money being wagered on harness racing in NZ! When Matt Peden quotes $100 is a noteworthy bet on Trackside things are not flash!

Am I missing something in regards to Ozzies not betting into NZ harness racing?? I thought it was not possible to bet on NZ harness on your NZ account if you were in Of course there is a decline in betting on NZ harness as it makes sense to bet on fixed odds rather than the tote, and the Bookies do not want to take any reasonable sized bets unless you are a known losing punter!! What I know is that they are driving punters away 8n their droves and they are just not bothering to bet now. There are very few true punters that go oncourse nowadays and the reality is that harness racing is in dire straights if there is not new punters coming thru! This is the case and despite the BS re harness punting increasing being spun, it is in major distress and the TAB are not doing anything to improve things! Yes I am well aware I hark on about this continually, however it ks trying to get thru to the TAB that they really have a flawedBusiness Plan in place. Yes the yield on harness may well be up but the profit and turnover is going in the wrong direction. Any increase if there is any is due to Bonus Bets to losing punters!!!!

Not sure what you mean by towing the line as far as commentsting goes in your case but yes you have to do what you are told in the media nowadays!! The Labour Government has put millions into the media it so that all employees have to do and say what the government wants and lick their butt! It is just pathetic how media presenters continue to push the Covid19 vaccine message continuously, even though they have absolutely no medical qualifications whatsoever!! This Covid BS is going to go for years even though it is no worse than the normal yearly flu. The vaccine is not the answer and in fact is more likely to make you crook, WATCH THIS SPACE! There was one death yesterday in Sydney a lady in her 90’s! No shit Sherlock, how surprising??

Correct I do not like the tight class racing but we do need them so that owners that have horses that win a few do actually have an opportunity to race their horses. No point me breeding a few at all, I will leave it to enthusiasts that are into that still. I have bred a few over the years but it is a very unprofitable exercise unless you have a top of the line mare and not that much in it then anyway. There are far more profitable and easier ways to make money nowadays without any risk!

There is other problems at the moment apart from the NZ TAB not wanting to take wagers from punters even though they put up fixed odds to wager on!! Originally thought that it was going to be good having more racing at Addington due to the fairness of the track! However, There is now the issue of field no.s dropping off and very few horses having odds that do not reflect the risk! Same horses racing each and every week and 5 horses paying under evens for a place is just an absolute waste of time. I am sure many are getting the stitch and not bothering especially on a Sunday arvo!!

Jason, dont put yourself down! You are a very good commentator and were also good at tipping out longshots at Forbury as you clearly did your homework. Rather than just tipping out the shorties with the form that went well on a grass track! Maybe you could start a tipping line as well as training as the commentating jobs seem to be a closed shop at the moment!

Exactly my point Jason. There are heaps of NZ horses that can run a very quick mile in Oz but not so flash here. Wasnt knocking your training ability at all just pointing out that miles suit certain horses. Fact remains mile racing is boring. Shame you arent commenting in Nz!

There is not enough races for tight class horses nowadays as so many horses just get sold overseas. The reason is that there is not enough money to make it likely for the owner to breakeven with the level of stake money nowadays. The Group Races are plundered by the one stable and since this has occurred harness racing has declined. The stake money needs to be increased or owners will continue to decline, and there are buggerall new owners coming thru a d why would there be? The TAB needs to wake up to what they are doing to the punter by turning them away and therefore reducing its profit and stake money availability. They say that it is to be increased this hear but by how much and no way can the amount available to Auckland continue!

Karrots, why would you be worried about a stupid rule that has no merit? I believe we are meant to be in a free speech country? Tell them to go and get one up them, as they can not stop you from expressing an opinion!!!

Ranga, as you are well aware, “The Brodster” is always on the money and now Chief has posted an article that is on the money. Ray Green has stated previously that the state of harness racing is in the shite! We get this stuff from a few that says that harness is in a good position with TAB turnover and stake money lol. It is BS and things need to be turned around quickly or it ks a downward spiral! With the cost of living increasing for many they just aint going to be racing horses with the cost and poor returns. The NZ TAB turn away many punters by not accepting what the punter wants and that is extremely detrimental to turnover!! Even tonight Matt Peden the Bookmaker that is on Trackside reckons bets of $100 on a horse as being worth mentioning!!!! Seriously, they need to look at their business model as it is only being held together by Sports Betting! Who knows the Greyhound Racing may well be on its last legs if the lovely Chloe Swarbrick and her looney Greenies have their way! Hopefully The Tubster puts her in her place, but wouldnt take evens on that!

Personally speaking my life is not declining, quite the opposite! You are correct many things are going backwards due to the crazy socialist lefties! Swarbrick and the loonies wanting to close down greyhound racing FFS! Greyhounds love to race, if greyhound racing is banned then that dog breed is gone!!!!!!

The issue with Auckland racing is that it does not warrant the bigger stakes that it has! However if the stakes dropped then there would be even less owners and less horses and then racing would fold up there! Catch 22 here and yes the racing in Auckland is such a yawn!

Mikey, it is about stating our thoughts and then discussing the merits or non merits! Harness racing to survive requires people that make the correct decisions or it is doomed! Mile harness racing is boring in the main, does not attract much wagering and does nothing to attract nee people to the sport! The Dickhead who continues to program mile racing at Alexandra Park is clueless if he thinks he has a winning formula by racing over a mile!!!!! The turnover being achieved at Alexandra Park just does not warrant the larger stakes that are being offered!!! It is high time that better decisions are being made before the truth comes out! No point soft soaping fact Mikey, and yes the Olympics are great to watch but hard to keep up with all the events.

When is Auckland going to learn that most punters do not want to punt on mile races!! You only need to look at the tote pools tonight once again and the racing is a big loser as they ate abysmal pool amounts! The racing is a yawn as well as they just wait till the straight to make any sort of move! Each to their own but seriously deluded club, if they think it is worth continuing with this distance!!

If you had Marburg winning stakes of $1500 you would need to be winning at least monthly to break even in NZ! The TAB needs more punters not less and harness will continue to lose enthusiasts with their very poor business model! Attract the Punters not turn them away, there is so much potential but alas the NZ TAB just havent got the game plan to be successful.

Yes it was something Like Arms of An Angel that went quick, and you have to take into account that she was not overly flash in NZ and was not that promising when sold. You have to remember that a helluva lot of the horses that you get are past their best in NZ so yes there would be a lot of NZ horses that would go 1.50 at Menangle as a lot would go very fast miles and not suited to longer distances here! Yes Spellbound has done a great job over their and sprinting really suits her. NZ horses are better bred and are far better than the average Oz bred horses!