Brodie

Would not have won a race while it was with Maria Peritton. Never really showed anything while it was with her, and it just shows how much different trainers can improve a horse. There are many horses in Canterbury that could be improved dramatically with a change of trainer.

Plenty of examples Ranga! It is What you do to the Brodster, Ranga lol

Ranga does make stuff up just to antagonise Westview

So TAB not adhering to the $1k Ranga ?

Far better punting on mediocre fields that aren’t dominated by form! Only problem is that you can’t get much on!! Havent had a bet for 2 weeks and just can’t be bothered with this stupid punters flippen card. Anyone put on or collected over $1k without the card?

Wouldn’t bet on it Hunter. Owners pay big vet bills!

Can’t afford the power Ranga? Give the nags away and you will get reconnected!

The thing with Junior drivers is that really only learn on race day with fuller fields than at trials where the fields are small and times are slower. I respect any junior driver that takes out a license and then has to step up and race against not only their peers but against experienced horsemen. I believe that the Stipes need to take into account the inexperience of the Juniors when looking at things and they clearly did with Alana but not Sam Thornley. Both are going to make it as reins people in the Junior ranks and you have to remember that our top junior John Morrison took over 100 drives to gain his first win! Stipes are very erratic with their decision making and Some of their rules that they are applying just doesn’t make sense.

The Ozzie’s aren’t worried about the use of the whip! So why are we worried now? Go back to the previous rule that worked just fine. Drivers didn’t have to be able to count to ten or wonder whether they have hit to many times without a break. Blatantly ridiculous rule needs to go!

Does anyone know what the several new sources of funding coming on stream mean? reduction of betting levy? Point of Consumption? Race fields?

Ranga, go and get into the ones on the Darkside and tell them that charges weren’t dropped, as they are saying the charges against McGrath were DROPPED!!!

Sorry no money

Jewels Day would cost the industry a helluva lot of money as well. We all know that there is money in racing a horse nowadays, with the costs continuing to increase and stake money no better than 30 years ago. You can not blame owners selling their horses overseas when they have got next to no show of winning the stakes races where the bigger stakes are! Stakes decreasing, punters being driven away, yeah going good Ken!

There clearly has been things said by trainers/drivers during the investigations, however does it constitute race fixing? Certainly got no real idea of what has been said or done by those charged, however if it is just people discussing driving tactics, this would hardly constitute race fixing, as this has been going on since racing probably started and drivers even discuss this on Trackside prior to races. Some of you will be well aware of what has been said, but from what I have heard, whether it be right or wrong, nothing like race fixing at all. Most of the drivers know each other pretty well and would often discuss things prior to a race. Are you saying that the drivers for a stable that has 4 or 5 runners in a big race never discuss things prior to the race??? Of course they do, so does that constitute race fixing charges as well?

Jonny, I reiterate Sam did manifestly overdo the whipp8mg without doubt, and no real defence either! However, there is a common trend that happens with many of the decisions made, and that is that the easykill are always targeted, and the big names are shown leniency and favoured. There are many instances of this which there is no point going into at this stage. Not defending Sam Thornley whatsoever and he should receive some sort of punishment. Have never seen him drive before and so just going off the one and only drive that he had on Copperhead Rose which I understand now is a male horse rather than female, as it name suggest more on the female side. The horse only responds to serious urgings as previous wins have shown it is the only way he wins. Apart from the excessive whip Sam drove the horse perfectly and sending him back to the trials to learn more is not necessarily the right way for him to learn that he used the whip far too many times! We need as many young ones coming into harness racing rather than driving them out of the sport, and geez we have got a major shortage of male juniors throughout the country at the moment and probably not looking too promising in the future! First drive and we castigate the young fellah and yes it was pretty reckless, however a severe telling off and maybe some work helping someone out unpaid would be more of a suitable punishment. Hopefully this young fellah doesn’t spit the dummy and leave the industry as I believe he has the makings of a very successful junior. As for the other stuff Johnny, you could be right, just frustrating when things are brought in to the detriment of the punter, who,without them, racing is done!

Plenty in Oz!

I must admit I do go over some things many times, but my perogative to keep pointing out the injustices and silliness that has crept into racing in NZ. You can think that everything is rosie, however just because there are rule changes doesn’t mean they are for the better or fair, and just because the NZ TAB only wants losing punters, doesn’t make it right, Tonka.

Dickhead!

FFS, Ranga, are you deliberately trying to be a pain in the arse! Can not be bothered with you as you are deliberately looking for an argument! Dismissing and dropping to most semi intelligent would be one and the same, but not to you because you just want to be antagonistic! Leave you to it

Exactly, they shouldn’t be charged unless there is sufficient evidence! Who pays for Nigel’s defence costs?

So isn’t the Judge dismissing the charge the same thing as the charge being dropped by the Judge, RANGA!!!!!!!! Not sufficient evidence so charge had to be dropped, he wasn’t found not guilty, the bloody charge was dropped!!!!!

What? It is headlines Ranga!!!!!

Happy, of course you are correct, I have previously stated that people aren’t punting all gotten gains thru the TAB. The rule of laundering at the TAB thru the AML act is $10k yet the TAB wants it to be $1k so they can control punters to determine who is wagering and collecting the pathetic amount of $1k! How many gang members or drug dealing people have you seen in TAB agencies and/or Oncourse? I suggest none and if they are putting large amounts in TAB accounts, then that is easily recognised by the TAB! The AML Act is just smoke and mirrors and being used as an excuse just so that they now have full control of everything!

I see the charge on Nigel McGrath has been dropped, not sufficient evidence. What an absolute balls up and waste of time and bad publicity this has caused!

Tonka, are you sure you got all of them? Forums, are an avenue for ranting or expressing opinion! The fact that you want to just disagree with Brodie on everything even when I am right, is just as tedious as me ranting!! You have absolutely no credibility whatsoever now, when you say that Iraklis is more intelligent than the “voice of reason”.