Brodie

Nowornever, what a stupid comment!!, how on earth is anyone meant to work anything out if they have not been damn well given the figures to work anything out???? You need to engage your brain before you try to put “The Brodster “ down! How are we to know what the fixed odds were when the horse was scratched if it isn’t damn well advised by the TAB? Are we meant to be 24/7 watching the racing channels or computers????

Where on earth have I questioned the TAB’s honesty? What I am saying is that it should be advised what the % deductions are! Punters go to the exercise of putting their money on and expect to get what their fixed ticket states. However when there is a scratching they get a reduced amount, which is fair enough! However, they should also have access to know what the deduction is prior to collection!!!!! Does the TAB think that the punter should just accept what they are given without explaining how the reduced amount is calculated? When the reduced amount is hundreds of dollars to some punters, I beleive that they are entitled to know!!!!

Agent54, Thanks for your response. I appreciate under those circumstances, there will be variances! However, there is never any % deduction published even when there is a late deduction when a late scratching after the race start time! The TAB knows what the scratched horse was paying and therefore % should be notified alongside the late scratched horse. How is the punter to know what the scratched horse was paying at the time of scratching?

Harewood, no apologies needed! Still think that the TAB should be quite easily be able to state what % reductions are taken off! Have very occasionally heard the commentators state what the % deduction is when a horse is late scratched oncourse. Hopefully someone from the TAB picks up on their shortcomings, and have the intuition to be able to provide this to the punters. Don’t believe it is fair for the punter to turn up to collect what is on their fixed odds ticket, and then given a much reduced figure which has happened to me many times! If I invested the day before a racemeeting , I am not aware that a horse has been taken out of the field, whether it being a late scratching or a scratching after my investment! How on earth are we to check that the deduction % is correct if it is not publicised anywhere????

I gave up cross dressing years ago!!!

Ranga, you well know that Brodie is always on the money! I realise that it will be very hard for you to admit that, but thinking it to yourself is ok!

Harewood, I believe you are incorrect. With Fixed Odds, the deduction will be the % deduction as to what the scratched horse was paying when it was scratched and nothing at all to do with closing prices. Anyway, it should be declared prior to the race by the commentator and also be noted on the TAB results!

Harewood, think you are wrong. Fixed odds bets, they should be able to calculate the deduction at the time of the scratching! The Thing is that if you have an investment at 6.0 pm on the Thursday night for a Friday night meeting you get a certain fixed return on your ticket. After that time if anything is scratched apart from the emergencies the dividend gets reduced. If anything apart from the emergencies are scratched even before the late scratching time occurs the collect is normally reduced!!!! Half the time I wouldn’t be aware that there has been a scratching that has affected the return as zi am not sitting there looking at the fields and odds sorry. All I am asking is that they should be disclosing the % being deducted after fixed odds betting being opened?? Is this not possible? It may not be of any concern to the $2 e,w. Punters but to punters who invest at larger levels, it should be displayed. To turn up and not receive what is shown on your ticket, and just get given a far reduced amount, is not reasonable in this day and age. The TAB workers just pay out what the machine says and have no idea what the deduction is unless they look up on records, which is time consuming!

Harewood, where do you find this % reduction? Where on earth is it shown? You back something on a Thursday night, and your horse is placed! You go to collect and you get several hundred less than what your ticket says!, There was a horse scratched after you backed your horse, and they drop the odds, unbeknown to you! Where is it shown what % is deducted??

You are kidding aren’t you? All I ask is the % being taken off!! No need for your sarcastic tone of voice, is there???? When the horse is late scratched, are we meant to know what that horse was paying GONSTA???? The results never make any mention of it!!!!!!

Hopefully, someone from the TAB is reading and puts it to the bigwigs to get sorted! Surely someone will be able to get this sorted, as it is not fair turning up to collect, and you don’t get what your ticket tells you!!!!!!!

When a horse is a late scratching, why doesn’t the TAB show what the % deduction is for fixed odds Bettors? They must know what the deduction is when the horse is taken out, so why isn’t it shown somewhere? I have often gone to collect and receive a helluva lot less than what I was expecting, due to a late scratching! Can not be that hard can it?

I was told that bet restrictions under this new betting platform were going to be relaxed! Obviously, people don’t always tell the truth! Regular transmission resumed!!

The fog conditions last night were nowhere near as bad as other times when they have raced! Nowadays there is too much of this health and safety BS! Was there any real chance of anyone getting hurt had they continued to race? There was always a chance, but then again there is a chance when there is full daylight. I would say it is far more dangerous for the drivers, training horses on their own tracks with a bit of moisture on the track!!!

I’m pleased you left me out of the Cross dressing !

Will be very interesting to see how many North Island trainers send their horses down for the Jewels, knowing that they have got next to no chance of winning if they are competing against the said Stable with 2 or 3 runners? All starters get a few thousand dollars just for lining up which is good, but is it worth the risk, when they could probably earn more money racing at Auckland! Yes I know it is flippen negative, Brodie just asking the question and telling it the way he sees it! Hopefully the Jewels is not dominated, but then we know that they will be, as Addington over 1980m is going to suit them more than Cambridge and Ashburton over a mile!

Appreciate it that for many it isn’t about the money! However, unless you have a successful business or big savings, you won’t be buying harness horses and racing them. The average wage earner can not afford to pay training bills of at least $2000 per month racing a horse, unless they are in With others. I want people to own horses, so that racing can continue. Have owned horses over the years and still have a small interest, which has been going pretty well!

Your contributions are always valuable. As I say I don’t follow Gallops,in Oz or NZ nowadays. I did when I was a lot younger but too hard to follow form and racing not that exciting in my humble opinion. Chris Waller May well dominate group races, but I am sure it is not the same owners that are scooping the stakes, plus there are so many more races and opportunities for horses to be placed for good money. In NZ any race with good stakes are gobbled up by the one stable and same owners! I appreciate that those owners throw a lot of money into their horses and training bills, and therefore would want a return from it! However, does it make a happy place for all the other owners who also spend plenty owning and racing horses, and get a paltry return? No it doesn’t, and is it detrimental to the harness industry? Anyone with a business brain and is open minded knows that the answer is YES!!

Greg, surely that comment is in jest? Yes Winx won everytime, and won huge stakemoney. I am not a follower of Gallops at all, however the races that Winx won was not dominated by the one stable plundering all the major stakes!!! The galloping races were for massive money and even running in the first 5 or so returned the owners good money! The fact that Winx dominated every race she was in also massively affected the size of the fields that she was in as well! There are so many great stake money races as well in Oz that the trainers can send their horses to a different state to race to avoid Winx!! Winx publicity was great for galloping Racing in Oz, whereas the dominance of the one STABLE in harness racing in NZ is to its detriment, in many ways! You need to take your parochial blinkers off and see what is actually happening!

Hi Robert. Yes there are plenty of races that the AllStars horses don’t compete in. A helluva lot in the North Island Apart from the group races and Premier nights. Do you really believe that owners in Canterbury want to be racing their horses at Palmy ? Most owners want to own a horse capable of at least being able to repay part of the training costs, which today are rather sizeable! I do not beleive there are many new owners coming thru in Canterbury at all, unless they are in a syndicate! Why would you be bothered if you weren’t from an existing harness background, as there is certainly no money in it for you! Reality is that the industry is struggling big time, and is only being held together by diehard owners and enthusiasts, and as they move on, they are not going to be replaced at all, by the next generation unfortunately. The Jewels is once again going to be dominated by the one stable, we all know that! Yes there will be some that are going to be promoting it as being fantastic and we will get the same BS leading up to it. We will then watch as the one stable win everything and the same owners are shown jumping up and down with excitement, and the other owners will be happy to have had a Starter on Jewels day. The unfortunate thing is that they had very little chance of winning the first or second stake money! Some may disagree, but I can tell you now, it is reality and it can not carry on I definitely. Articles such as we had on The Box Seat in the last couple of weeks has done nothing to dispel the truth! Showing a mad scientist playing around with blood in syringes in a lab, just shows that all is not equal in the training ranks, despite what they say!!

Reality is as I have said many times, owners and trainers are over it! Owners are going to disappear and new ones not coming thru! Most people know that it is far more than so-called being more professional, end of storey! Harness is doomed, doomed I say, if this domination of major races continues!!!!

Cryptic Monday!

Sorry Ranga, I am not preoccupied with upcoming meetings and when they are! I take it as it comes nowadays, and have a very rounded happy life! Until the fields are out, I don’t know whether I am investing or not! Have been much quieter in the last year or so, as I co lid to be bothered trying to beat the TAB’s system! I will be back though, as the fields get better to invest on this time of year apart from the Jewels!

Till when? Jewels? If so your maths isn’t too flash!

Pay Me Visa was actually thrown into that race today! He was a multi race winner up against one race winners! He did go very good at Forbury as well.