Brodie

Russian Alsu is an 11 year old Elsa mare that has won 5 races all at Cambridge I believe. The unusual thing is that she had her 73rd start tonight at Alexandra Park and ran 3rd but has never ever won on that track. Would it be some sort of record for a horse to have not won on the same course in so many starts?

Yes AllStars first and second as we have come to expect! It will continue for the years to come and the domination is only going to encourage owners to not bother investing! Yes it is negative, but it is just telling it the way it is! How many in the main race at Addington that the AllStars Ran first and second?

Noticed that as well Happy. Does seem a tad light when non Winners are racing for $11,500 the same night. Realkty is that our better horses are being sold overseas as there is bugger all racing for them, and when they are racing they are only running for minor stake money anyway. It is not going to be any different from now on either this year.

You are another intelligent one Hunter. Yes there have been many drivers who have been done for barely tapping the horse with the whip. Nathan Williamson has been done a couple of times when he was barely touching the horse. These Stipes are saying that drivers are getting done are cheating by breaking the rules, they are getting an advantage over the other other drivers and horses. If this is the case then let them DISQUALIFY the horses no questions asked!!!!! No they won’t do that because there will be too much of an outcry won’t there? Truth is that if it is bad enough to stand a driver down so that it costs him a lesson because the Stipes thinks that they have cheated, then go the full hog and cost the owner and trainer of the horses that have been given an advantage by this stupid rule.

Basil, Exactly, you agree with Brodie once again! What was said is”that harness whip,use is not currently high on SAFE’s list of priorities” Exactly what I have been saying Basil, and yet HRNZ goes ahead and brings out a rule that had not been thought about too much. Clearly there have been some sort of discussions as the the charge was excessive use of the whip and now is used the whip in excess of the permitted number! It needs amendment Basil, as drivers are being fined when they are not using it excessively at all, they are trying to win a race and yet they get done which affects their livelihood.

Not at all. What HRNZ has done has pointed out to the Animal Rights is that they think there is a problem with using the whip. The fact that they brought in the new rule points to that and now the Animal Rights will want even more restrictions!! It was a very dumb move as nothing had been said to HRNZ and therefore you should not be bringing it to their attention. if it did read its ugly heard at some time then something could’ve been done then to satisfy them! It was a change of rule that was railroaded through by HRNZ without any thought of the consequences and support of the parties mostly concerned. You can defend it till the cows come home and some will, but it was a stupid move and is a stupid rule that needed more thought put into it!!!

Yes, from the stand!!

Happy, that is exactly my point, and a lady from an Animal Rights outfit, whether it was SAFE or some other Animal Rights outfit stated that the harness whip usage was not on their agenda. I would bet my last betting voucher on that!!!!!! I reiterate that I don’t agree with horses being flogged but there was absolutely no need to change the previous whip rule, as it was working just fine. There are far more reinsman fined now that what there was previously so it clearly isn’t working! They need to take the no. 10 out of it and fine or suspend drivers that go overboard.

That is not what I asked for Tonkatime. What I asked for was the information that says that they had a problem with the harness whip use! Where does it say anything about the Animal Rights wanting the harness whip rules changed???? No where at all Tonkatime and I do know that it was in the media that stated that ANIMAL Rights did not have the harness use of the whip in their discussions whatsoever!! !! Whoever states that Brodie is making it up is blatantly telling porkies and that includes Basil!

Tonkatime, show me the facts that you say that Animal Rights had a problem with the whip use on harness horses! !!

Basil, ok where is your information in writing that SAFE have their eyes on harness whip use??????? Thats right you have made it up. They stated that the harness whip use was not on their radar, when the current rule came in!!!! That is damn fact and you know It!!!

Noticed that as well Happy. Does seem a tad light when non Winners are racing for $11,500 the same night. Realkty is that our better horses are being sold overseas as there is bugger all racing for them, and when they are racing they are only running for minor stake money anyway. It is not going to be any different from now on either this year.

You can piss off too! !

FFS, I am not going to continue answering you Rangatira, you are an absolute XXXXXXX. It was in the damn media when the current rule was brought in, and the Animal Rights group stated that the harness racing usage of the whip was not on their hit list. Get a life, stop trying to have Brodie on, because you are only an antagonist from the Darkside and I can’t be bothered with them, as that site is clearly dieing! You can talk to yourself because I have had a gutsful of your shite, I need to sort out the winners for Thursday night. Far more productive than your crap Ranga flippen Tira!

No, they said that they had no issues with the whip being used in harness racing!!! They had other things on their agenda!

He is down as a 4 year old entire with the TAB!!!! Not a Horse!!!!

Not at all. The Harness Rule was fine the way it was and HRNZ reacted after the Ozzie’s brought in the banning of the whip,over there. That has now been overturned I believe, just as the current rule here needs seriously looking at!!

Yes he did use the whip too much on Jack Frost when he had the field covered. I am not going to comment on thoroughbred Racing as it is for punters who can not make money on harness racing! Lol However, I reiterate the harness rule needs overhauling as many drivers have been fined or suspended for no good reason, and it has happened far too many times!

Why is it a thread? Because the TAB had Stunin Luck down as an ENTIRE!!!!!!!! Why isn’t he registered as a HORSE then if that is the NORM???????? Surely it should be one or the other if they are BOTH THE SAME!!!!

Don’t bother with Thoroughbred Racing, too hard to follow! Have not got a problem with suspending drivers if they do punish a horse too severely, but the current whip rule is ludicrous and unjustified. The no. Needs to come out of it and go back to previous rule that was working just fine!

Winter will never be over for you Kotare, you are always Doom and Gloom and stirring!

Yes somewhat close Kotare! They changed it from excessive use of the whip to using the whip in excess of the permitted. This clearly shows that they have erred in bringing in the rule with a no. On it and don’t agree that it is right, so they have changed the terminology Kotareboy!

Kotare, I keep scrolling and I don’t seem to be able to find the answer!! What is your answer, if you have one?

Yes I know it has been done before, but FFS it is such a dumb rule it has to be dumped! Just Watched Race 2 at Oamaru and Leo O’Reilly got done for using the whip in excess of the permitted no. of 10. On Flying Master Williams Leo is not known for being a heavy user of the whip,previously as far as I am aware and I don’t believe he has been on this occasion either. The horse only got out the last bit and yes Leo did give the horse a few to try and do its best but certainly wasn’t 10 hits one after the other or excessive whatsoever. He gets a holiday for trying on a horse that has been around a long and wants to win a race!!!! Harness NZ admit that you have made an error of judgement in bringing this damn stupid rule in and put it back to what it was before, which worked just fine. Animal Rights had no problem with the way the whip,was being used in harness in NZ. What happens in Oz is what should happen here, forget about trying to be PC and run the industry the way it should be!!!!

Andrew is out of a job at the moment as he is in Scotland at the mo. Matthew Peden has been doing the selections.