Happy Sunrise Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 Got bored with Auckland trots so thought I would test Brodie's theory that everyone would be scared off by the All-Stars. 9 races X 12 horses so 108 horses in total which means 65 Canterbury based horses against 43 from outside the area. That is not bad considering the so-called intimidating All-Stars are on their home track. 21% are from the North which is a fair amount and the 14 from the south of the Waitaki must be a record but I am guessing about that. Disclaimer: It is Friday night after a big week so the accuracy of figures is not guaranteed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 It doesn't look like "everyone" has been scared off at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Got bored with Auckland trots so thought I would test Brodie's theory that everyone would be scared off by the All-Stars. 9 races X 12 horses so 108 horses in total which means 65 Canterbury based horses against 43 from outside the area. That is not bad considering the so-called intimidating All-Stars are on their home track. 21% are from the North which is a fair amount and the 14 from the south of the Waitaki must be a record but I am guessing about that. Disclaimer: It is Friday night after a big week so the accuracy of figures is not guaranteed. As they say Happy facts don't lie Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) They always get full fields in each race at the jewels. If someone drops out for whatever reason they just get the next ranked one ,and there is an endless pool of them. Paying them a few $1000 just to turn up also helps. I can't see any logic in your point. Edited June 1, 2019 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 5 wins for All-Stars. 1 for Canterbury non-All-Stars 3 for North Island. 0 for South of the Waitaki The North Island did well all things considered. Very well. Southern horses had a few placings. All-Stars close to absolute domination if Princess Tiffany pulled it off after a hard run and Enhance Your Calm was massive after its break and I believe it would have won by lengths if it hadn't. I expect big things from that horse. The Canterbury horses were awful really, shut out quite a lot in the placings too. Makes you wonder how powerful the Canterbury horses outside the All-Stars really are when they could only fill 8 out of the 27 placings available. Maybe that is the true myth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 (edited) The reality is that the best 12 horses aren’t the ones starting! There were many horses that were far better, didn’t actually get starts due to the qualification by earnings in the one season. There were many racing during the day that didn’t deserve to be lining up, but that is the system that the Jewels is working with. Auckland race for far larger stakes and so it doesn’t take a lot to qualify if many pull out. Far better racing at Addington over 1980m rather than mile racing anywhere! Not great for attracting new betting money when so many winners paid under $2 to win. Edited June 1, 2019 by Brodie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Brodie said: There were many racing during the day that didn’t deserve to be lining up, but that is the system that the Jewels is working with. I get a bit sick in the stomach when I hear Mick Guerin say that getting for 4th is like a win for connections as they know they are not going to win. It is a sad state of affairs when this applies to 80% of the field. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Not sure if it was the weather or because it was at Addington, but i just couldnt get too excited about it today. Watched them all, but just another day really 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Tony h did fantastic(even though he's in the family) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Apart from the weather it was a brilliant day. Unfortunately for us with Sundees Son tearing the last 400 off at an incredible clip 4th was our lot. Well done to Mardy with a placing in the first, the Northeners flew the flag well throughout the day. The run of the day was in the last. Gran Chico. Massive effort from dead last and nearly nutting Jessie Duke. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted June 1, 2019 Author Share Posted June 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Not sure if it was the weather or because it was at Addington, but i just couldnt get too excited about it today. Watched them all, but just another day really I am totally over it. I respect the All-Stars, I really do, but it is a boring procession. I was hoping Gran Chico would run down Jesse Duke but it is not to be. The All-Stars can be 3 and 4 wide, sit parked, face the howling wind and still win. They are not just at another level they are in a different stratosphere. They never seem to go through a lean year, let alone a dry patch, they always seem to be miles better than the rest. The reality is they are and it is boring. There are no matchups. There is no anticipation. Globe might be excited about Majestic Man but his horse is a rarity. It is dull for me and I don't apologise for saying it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Turny Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Was that the last Jewels Seems to have lost something and I don't think Addington is the right place I found it boring today 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Newmarket said: Not sure if it was the weather or because it was at Addington, but i just couldnt get too excited about it today. Watched them all, but just another day really 40 minutes ago, globederby12 said: Apart from the weather it was a brilliant day. Unfortunately for us with Sundees Son tearing the last 400 off at an incredible clip 4th was our lot. Well done to Mardy with a placing in the first, the Northeners flew the flag well throughout the day. The run of the day was in the last. Gran Chico. Massive effort from dead last and nearly nutting Jessie Duke. Yes we'll done Mardy great effort, your boy had too much to do, he'll keep for the longer trip, sundees sun was a machine today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 The reality is that the Jewels was a great idea. However it is now not worth the financial cost to the harness industry. It runs at a huge loss and the gloss has gone out of it, despite people trying to pump it up. We all know that the one stable is going to clean up and plunder all the major stakes! Yes the AllStars Owners Chuck a lot of money into the AllStars stables, but I am over seeing the camera beamed in on the said owners jumping up and down after they have won another big race. Puke material really, as it is so mundane. Yesterday has not done anything to suggest that owners will not continue to sell there horses overseas, as they know while the AllStars juggernaught continues, they are wasting there time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobybec Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 Question, why is Peter Lamb still starting. At least twice there were horses galloping prior to the start, didn't appear to affect any other horses, but no good no good. If this a reference to his own incompetence? 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, boobybec said: Question, why is Peter Lamb still starting. At least twice there were horses galloping prior to the start, didn't appear to affect any other horses, but no good no good. If this a reference to his own incompetence? he does lead a charmed life does he have something on his riu buddies 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Rangatira said: he does lead a charmed life does he have something on his riu buddies well he is a ex cop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 39 minutes ago, Brodie said: The reality is that the Jewels was a great idea. However it is now not worth the financial cost to the harness industry. It runs at a huge loss and the gloss has gone out of it, despite people trying to pump it up. We all know that the one stable is going to clean up and plunder all the major stakes! Yes the AllStars Owners Chuck a lot of money into the AllStars stables, but I am over seeing the camera beamed in on the said owners jumping up and down after they have won another big race. Puke material really, as it is so mundane. Yesterday has not done anything to suggest that owners will not continue to sell there horses overseas, as they know while the AllStars juggernaught continues, they are wasting there time. harness racing for one should be harness racing 4 all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Well, after being at the Jewels , seeing and talking to a lot of people in the Industry including owners , trainers and drivers , I have come to the conclusion that what most of you naysayers post up on here about firstly the Jewels and secondly ownership is a complete load of "bullshit." . The harness Industry seems in relatively good shape. Keep up the banter guys tho because no one is really listening . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 28 minutes ago, globederby12 said: Well, after being at the Jewels , seeing and talking to a lot of people in the Industry including owners , trainers and drivers , I have come to the conclusion that what most of you naysayers post up on here about firstly the Jewels and secondly ownership is a complete load of "bullshit." . The harness Industry seems in relatively good shape. Keep up the banter guys tho because no one is really listening . Good to hear globe. I will ignore owners, trainers and industry participants next time they complain about costs, training fees, stakes, the judicial system, track closures and the Messara Report. You are right, no one is really listening. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 42 minutes ago, globederby12 said: Well, after being at the Jewels , seeing and talking to a lot of people in the Industry including owners , trainers and drivers , I have come to the conclusion that what most of you naysayers post up on here about firstly the Jewels and secondly ownership is a complete load of "bullshit." . The harness Industry seems in relatively good shape. Keep up the banter guys tho because no one is really listening . ownership??? having a 300th of a share in a horse is not owning a horse it is just a money making scheme for the trainer 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 hour ago, globederby12 said: Well, after being at the Jewels , seeing and talking to a lot of people in the Industry including owners , trainers and drivers , I have come to the conclusion that what most of you naysayers post up on here about firstly the Jewels and secondly ownership is a complete load of "bullshit." . The harness Industry seems in relatively good shape. Keep up the banter guys tho because no one is really listening . Globe, great that after a day with the high flyers at the jewels, you are convinced harness is on a high? Can you explain what you base that on? Just a few people in syndicates that go to the races twice a year and have a good time? Harness can not survive on this alone, it is only a few meetings a year where anyone turns up at addington? How is turnover going on harness in nz, that should tell a story? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 hour ago, globederby12 said: Well, after being at the Jewels , seeing and talking to a lot of people in the Industry including owners , trainers and drivers , I have come to the conclusion that what most of you naysayers post up on here about firstly the Jewels and secondly ownership is a complete load of "bullshit." . The harness Industry seems in relatively good shape. Keep up the banter guys tho because no one is really listening . Globe, you are in La La land if you seriously think that the harness industry is in good shape! Can you quote these trainers and drivers that think that the industry is in good heart! Watching racing and then the dividends come up with a win div. of $1.20 is not productive. You May call us naysayers, I call us realists! I can tell you that I have not come across a single owner or trainer that is thinking that harness racing is in good heart, and it is a constant struggle to make ends meet, for most! The Harness Jewels is a loss making venture for Harness Racing and the fact that it is being dominated by the one outfit is just a blatant turnoff. The fact that horses with one start and being unplaced can get a start is certainly showing that it is overrated now. I have always loved harness racing, don’t like Gallops or greyhounds nowadays. It is great that you have an interest in horses that can run a bit, and that is what we need to get more and more people into harness racing! Nigel and Brenda Armstrong founders of Westview Racing are doing more for racing than anyone else in Nz trying to get new people into the industry. The costs to buy into their syndicates is next to nothing and giving a lot of people a lot of enjoyment. We need far more of this invention or the industry is going to die, without doubt! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 4 hours ago, globederby12 said: Well, after being at the Jewels , seeing and talking to a lot of people in the Industry including owners , trainers and drivers , I have come to the conclusion that what most of you naysayers post up on here about firstly the Jewels and secondly ownership is a complete load of "bullshit." . The harness Industry seems in relatively good shape. Keep up the banter guys tho because no one is really listening . I agree with you on the jewels globe. Its a great promotion for harness racing and attracts punters and viewers who don't normally follow harness racing. Part of it may be because of all the pre race publicity it gets,but at the end of the day it works. The real shame is it is not on any free to air channel. I think we have to look at the big picture sometimes, and one off days like the jewels fall into that category.. I do agree with brodie that there is no doubt harness racing is struggling to retain its followers and relevance in todays times. So are many other sports and businesses. I also have a view that part of what holds the industry back is directly a result self inflicted wounds. The industry and those within it are such a contradiction. On one hand they display unity and extreme generosity which is very admirable. just look at how they banded together over the nyhan/davis situation. On the other hand they only think of whats in their own interests and have no interest in helping other possible participants become involved. For example have you ever tried to rent facilities to train a horse from in the south island.. It seems no one wants to know you. They would rather have empty paddocks and stalls,or empty racecourse facilities They aren't interested in income . Just try and find somewhere in the south island and you will see what I mean. I was talking to a bloke just a couple of weeks ago who had spent weeks looking for somewhere,but no one wants to know. That is why I believe some tracks deserve to close.They get what they deserve. They are treated like the private playground of those that run them. Personally I believe events like the jewels mask much of what happens in the real world. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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