Brodie Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 The Blood Spinning rules are currently being reviewed by HRNZ and the update to the rules will be announced at the annual conference at the end of September. As we all know the AllStars stable currently use the practice and the company that owns the business and lab that actually does the process is also owned by the owners of the AllStars stable. Industry veteran David Phillips has written an 18000 word submission for the special review as part of the Messara Report! Mr Phillips slams the process saying it is cruel and should be banned! PETA and SPCA and SAFE also have concerns about the process and its affect on animal welfare! Will be very interesting to see what happens here, as we all know that it does improve a horses performance unquestionably. Yes some will come on and defend it, the Blue and Silver fan base, but we all know what is going on don’t we? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Blood spinning hit "mainstream" media this week. Christchurch Star has an article on it. Worth a read. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshu Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: PETA and SPCA and SAFE also have concerns about the process and its affect on animal welfare! And yet they still do it,too much money at stake i guess and no morals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Rusty said: Blood spinning hit "mainstream" media this week. Christchurch Star has an article on it. Worth a read. Do you have link to article? Ta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 35 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Do you have link to article? Ta I do not think the article is online sorry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 If in Chch, grab a copy from your petrol station or supermarket, they are free, and the article is in the current edition. I will try taking a photo of the article and post it on here on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postman Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I just have this feeling the powers that be will make the right decision and it will be banned, its the only result that makes sense...... If it is banned I'm sure many will be watching to see if any stables performance stats decrease at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 SAFE and SPCA are concerned about this Blood Spinning, and nothing been done to date! SAFE and SPCA were t worried about the whip in harness racing and HRNZ brings in ridiculous rule! Go figure? Only right thing to do is it to be banned! Still good vets around though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 23 hours ago, Brodie said: SAFE and SPCA were t worried about the whip in harness racing and HRNZ brings in ridiculous rule! Only right thing to do is it to be banned! i was pretty sure you would come around eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, Rangatira said: i was pretty sure you would come around eventually are the as pushing for it to be banned???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 28, 2019 Author Share Posted July 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Rangatira said: i was pretty sure you would come around eventually Ranga, I was saying that the Blood Doping I mean Spinning, be banned!,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JJ Flash Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Harness racing in New Zealand is no different in many respects to the industry in the rest of the world with the odd notable exception in our view. While there is a knockers brigade in most countries within harness racing, some people in New Zealand seems to take it to extreme levels at times. Some of the comments and feedback we get about our best and most successful are undeserved and ill founded but are firmly held and expressed by the people involved. It is very easy to get a bad reputation and incredibly difficult to shake it off in our experience Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Harness racing in New Zealand is no different in many respects to the industry in the rest of the world with the odd notable exception in our view. While there is a knockers brigade in most countries within harness racing, some people in New Zealand seems to take it to extreme levels at times. Some of the comments and feedback we get about our best and most successful are undeserved and ill founded but are firmly held and expressed by the people involved. It is very easy to get a bad reputation and incredibly difficult to shake it off in our experience Greg That's life .People think and judge everyday on all aspects of their lives. Its not as if harness racing lives in some bubble where this doesn't exist. I think its inaccurate to say harness racing in nz is any different,or as you put it extreme. You make the point about the knockers brigade. But the mistake you and many others make is lumping everyone into the same group,who does not share your opinion. Most I believe who comment on the blood spinning issue have reservations in relation to' level playing field and animal welfare'. I personally think blood spinning is just one of those issues which magnifies how things have progressed to the point where access to the latest scientific advances have meant those with the most financial resources have considerable advantages over those who do not. Personally I think this historically has been one of the major factors in decreased participation. People with views like you fail to acknowledge this point,and because of that you ignore ,and do not look for solutions, and all the while harness racing declines. Edited July 28, 2019 by the galah 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Brodie said: Ranga, I was saying that the Blood Doping I mean Spinning, be banned!,, o i c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, the galah said: That's life .People think and judge everyday on all aspects of their lives. Its not as if harness racing lives in some bubble where this doesn't exist. I think its inaccurate to say harness racing in nz is any different,or as you put it extreme. You make the point about the knockers brigade. But the mistake you and many others make is lumping everyone into the same group,who does not share your opinion. Most I believe who comment on the blood spinning issue have reservations in relation to' level playing field and animal welfare'. I personally think blood spinning is just one of those issues which magnifies how things have progressed to the point where access to the latest scientific advances have meant those with the most financial resources have considerable advantages over those who do not. Personally I think this historically has been one of the major factors in decreased participation. People with views like you fail to acknowledge this point,and because of that you ignore ,and do not look for solutions, and all the while harness racing declines. Too true What you have said! Everyone knows that it is not a level playing field and there is absolutely no way that one stable can dominate the way it does for so long, without doing things differently or using something that gives them an advantage over all the others. To say that it is just to do with being more professional is just a load of bollocks! Harness Racing In NZ is haemorrhaging hugely at the moment for several reasons and will continue to do so while there is so much domination by one stable, and policies that the TAB are enforcing! Will be very interesting what actually happens in regards to the rules of this Blood Spinning. Edited July 29, 2019 by Brodie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 9 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Harness racing in New Zealand is no different in many respects to the industry in the rest of the world with the odd notable exception in our view. While there is a knockers brigade in most countries within harness racing, some people in New Zealand seems to take it to extreme levels at times. Some of the comments and feedback we get about our best and most successful are undeserved and ill founded but are firmly held and expressed by the people involved. It is very easy to get a bad reputation and incredibly difficult to shake it off in our experience Greg you should gone to spec savers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 (edited) I suppose i should have said where my previous post came from . It was Harness link Feb 3 2016 and the article was about Dave Phillips. ? Greg Edited July 29, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 hours ago, JJ Flash said: I suppose i should have said where my previous post came from . It was Harness link Feb 3 2016 and the article was about Dave Phillips. ? Greg So your quoting an unnamed harnesslink writer, who wrote an article about mr phillips. Harnesslink have always been so far up certain stables backsides that i view most of what they write as propaganda. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 7 hours ago, the galah said: So your quoting an unnamed harnesslink writer, who wrote an article about mr phillips. Harnesslink have always been so far up certain stables backsides that i view most of what they write as propaganda. Yes to your question but did so the basis of comparative views about DP given that Brodie wrote. "Industry veteran David Phillips has written an 18000 word submission for the special review as part of the Messara Report! Mr Phillips slams the process saying it is cruel and should be banned!" You and others should read the whole article which was too long for here . It paints a very interesting picture of DP's contribution to the NZ Harness industry over many years. It might appear you either loved or loathed him but he was no doubt a first mover in many respects. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Yes to your question but did so the basis of comparative views about DP given that Brodie wrote. "Industry veteran David Phillips has written an 18000 word submission for the special review as part of the Messara Report! Mr Phillips slams the process saying it is cruel and should be banned!" You and others should read the whole article which was too long for here . It paints a very interesting picture of DP's contribution to the NZ Harness industry over many years. It might appear you either loved or loathed him but he was no doubt a first mover in many respects. Greg I understood the point you were making. Just as I do when others make the point that they believe there is a possibiity that blood spinning gives the users of that procedure an advantage over others. My view is if the blood spinning was the secret weapon of the all stars then why would they make it available to everyone,albeit at a price. I agree with brodie when he says "their dominance due to them being more professional is bollocks". Having said that I think everyone agrees they are the benchmark for excellence in harness racing, But like ive said before,iI think they also lead the way on the use of products which enhance performance. And there have been scientific advances in this area in recent years which means the gap/dominance has become more noticeable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 On 29/07/2019 at 7:04 PM, JJ Flash said: I suppose i should have said where my previous post came from . It was Harness link Feb 3 2016 and the article was about Dave Phillips. ? Greg Dave phillips was he the National bloodstock guy that was the religious crank that lived in a tent???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: Dave phillips was he the National bloodstock guy that was the religious crank that lived in a tent???? not just a tent it was a teepee and enough of them to form a teepee village 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 ranga , shane jones and your sister tamara iti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) On 30/07/2019 at 1:09 PM, the galah said: I understood the point you were making. Just as I do when others make the point that they believe there is a possibiity that blood spinning gives the users of that procedure an advantage over others. My view is if the blood spinning was the secret weapon of the all stars then why would they make it available to everyone,albeit at a price. I agree with brodie when he says "their dominance due to them being more professional is bollocks". Having said that I think everyone agrees they are the benchmark for excellence in harness racing, But like ive said before,iI think they also lead the way on the use of products which enhance performance. And there have been scientific advances in this area in recent years which means the gap/dominance has become more noticeable. Might i enquire as to what these products are that you feel enhance All Stars horse's performances. Might start using them in future on my ponies Greg Edited July 31, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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