holy ravioli Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 Are people ,NZ'ers losing interest in the Melbourne Cup? With the Everest,The Golden Mile ,the Cox plate glamour and the fact that the Cup seems a gift for the overseas brigade these days,has the average fan gone off it as the big event that stops a nation? NZ had a heritage of producing great stayers to excel at the Derby and Cup distances.Yes the Aussies can breed great sprinters but you could look across the Tasman for a decent stayer. Those days are...gone...will they ever..return?Rugby-X,Racing-X,and beer (Lion Red/DB)X!! The Fosters Melbourne Cup now the Emirates Melbourne Cup....who's flying? Quote
Kopia Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 Its an Aussie thing mate...thats what the Aussie sheila's reckon anyway. Aussies have got no staying power, a quick flash and its all over. I see someone suggesting 50% of the field should be reserved for Aussie/NZ horses, the rest UK, Japan etc. Thats bullshit. To carry on being the race that stops Aus/NZ it needs to be the best field possible..on the day. If its dominated by overseas horses, tough shit. Concentrate on breeding and developing young horses to stay the distance! And you aussie blokes too? 2 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 There are still zillions of office sweeps and parties held on the day in NZ. My only gripe(s) is that the supporting races on the day at Flemington aren't that flash and the TAB will crash. Quote
holy ravioli Posted November 3, 2019 Author Posted November 3, 2019 Looking at stallions at stud ,I guess Rich Hill is encouraging ,standing staying types with European/Jap credentials. Seems an awful lot of B Grade aussie sprinters at stud here. Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 Thomass, As a harness punter, can you steer me into something backable for the Melbourne Cup please. Thanks. Quote
SLB2.0 Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 Stick with the well-weighted European 4YO's masquerading as 3YO's. Il Paradiso fits the bill - just like Rekindling and Cross Counter. 1 Quote
Huey Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 Lexus MC maybe, definitely less interest but it's a racing thing in general. Quote
mardigras Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 The average fan may have gone off it. For me, the race is better than ever before. I've attended 20 cups and the Europeans make the race a better event for me. The supporting races may be lower grade than derby day etc, but the fields are generally very large making for difficult betting with no standouts usually. Irrespective of whether Il Paradiso/Constantinople wins or not, the idea that the NH 3yos are well weighted is pure knee jerk reaction and 100% unfounded. Those that win, are simply better than the rest at the time. Both of the last two winners simply had better credentials than the rest. The better 3yos will come, the better older horses won't. Straight away that will likely put the 3yos to the fore of those horses that come from off-shore. 2 1 Quote
Mooncoin Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, mardigras said: The average fan may have gone off it. For me, the race is better than ever before. I've attended 20 cups and the Europeans make the race a better event for me. The supporting races may be lower grade than derby day etc, but the fields are generally very large making for difficult betting with no standouts usually. Irrespective of whether Il Paradiso/Constantinople wins or not, the idea that the NH 3yos are well weighted is pure knee jerk reaction and 100% unfounded. Those that win, are simply better than the rest at the time. Both of the last two winners simply had better credentials than the rest. The better 3yos will come, the better older horses won't. Straight away that will likely put the 3yos to the fore of those horses that come from off-shore. How did you get on Derby day Mardi? Quote
mumbles Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 Is it on Free to View. Devlin on Radio Sport today was commenting that when you tke a sport off Free to Air you lose a generation. 1 Quote
mardigras Posted November 3, 2019 Posted November 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Mooncoin said: How did you get on Derby day Mardi? Pretty poorly. I rated 7 of the 9 in the top 3. But I'd assessed them on a good track and lost confidence when it bucketed down. And top rated then still won. That's racing. I usually don't change bet, just amount. Cup day is forecast to be dryer. Happy about that. 1 Quote
holy ravioli Posted November 3, 2019 Author Posted November 3, 2019 Once upon a time the CC was a good guide to the MC..I am going back to that formula with no.2 Mer De G and redhot jock Damian Lane..all the best.? Quote
holy ravioli Posted November 5, 2019 Author Posted November 5, 2019 On 11/3/2019 at 9:30 PM, holy ravioli said: Once upon a time the CC was a good guide to the MC..I am going back to that formula with no.2 Mer De G and redhot jock Damian Lane..all the best.? yes the CC was a good guide this year!? Quote
Thomass Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 On 3/11/2019 at 4:01 PM, Happy Sunrise said: Thomass, As a harness punter, can you steer me into something backable for the Melbourne Cup please. Thanks. Here's the tip Happy... ...if Frankie had half blinds on...he wins Quote
Weasel Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 On 5/11/2019 at 9:52 PM, holy ravioli said: yes the CC was a good guide this year!? it always has been and always will be the best single guide to MC chances. Any horse running on well or winning strongly that goes on to the MC is a great ew chance in the Cup. Quote
Weasel Posted November 6, 2019 Posted November 6, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, Thomass said: Here's the tip Happy... ...if Frankie had half blinds on...he wins BIG RED FLAG for you here, Thomass. 1) You're supposed to tip the horse for Happy before the race. (Who knew?) 2) Frankie didn't need half blinds, he needed half a brain to be functioning, cos he went way too soon on MoR, didn't correct the horse soon enough when veering dramatically Stage Left, didn't change his whip hand to compensate for that, wanted to cry after the race (sookie-bubba - when it was his own fault, not the horse's) and admitted a charge of careless riding - in the MELBOURNE CUP! Edited November 6, 2019 by Weasel 1 Quote
Murray Fish Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 8 hours ago, Weasel said: it always has been and always will be the best single guide to MC chances. Any horse running on well or winning strongly that goes on to the MC is a great ew chance in the Cup. other than yesterday, no winner has come out of that race since 2008 Quote
Thomass Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Weasel said: BIG RED FLAG for you here, Thomass. 1) You're supposed to tip the horse for Happy before the race. (Who knew?) 2) Frankie didn't need half blinds, he needed half a brain to be functioning, cos he went way too soon on MoR, didn't correct the horse soon enough when veering dramatically Stage Left, didn't change his whip hand to compensate for that, wanted to cry after the race (sookie-bubba - when it was his own fault, not the horse's) and admitted a charge of careless riding - in the MELBOURNE CUP! Toot toot chuga chuga right back at ya Wees.... Happy doesn't care a toot for Thoroughbreds...so he got what was coming... As for Fwankie...he could ride you senseless while swinging a wabbit with one hand and chewing on a dried up old weasels pizzle You missed seeing Fwankie Star Jumping his way into overjoyment...but got WILLO thanking EVERYONE on Earth including his Dentist... Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, Thomass said: Happy doesn't care a toot for Thoroughbreds...so he got what was coming... I asked you , as a seemingly knowledgeable person on the galloping code, what would be worth a look in the MC. Better than a stab in the dark on my part as the MC is a maze of uncertainty with all the variable factors. Were you worried I was going to influence the tote and FF pools? Don't panic. I won't ask again. 2 Quote
Thomass Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 Sorry Happy I could have sworn you were the one who accused me of dismantling this Thoroughbred site by posting normal debatable stuff? ...when those who couldn't handle a debate...buggered off when hit midships with facts... If not my advice is to follow the Blue Print in any race...young legs, less convictions, 20% extra for Blinkers et el....best 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thomass said: Sorry Happy I could have sworn you were the one who accused me of dismantling this Thoroughbred site by posting normal debatable stuff? ...when those who couldn't handle a debate...buggered off when hit midships with facts... If not my advice is to follow the Blue Print in any race...young legs, less convictions, 20% extra for Blinkers et el....best Fair enough. Quote
hunterthepunter Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, Thomass said: Sorry Happy I could have sworn you were the one who accused me of dismantling this Thoroughbred site by posting normal debatable stuff? ...when those who couldn't handle a debate...buggered off when hit midships with facts... If not my advice is to follow the Blue Print in any race...young legs, less convictions, 20% extra for Blinkers et el....best Thomas happy is a good bugger Quote
Mooncoin Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 Thomo, Happy is making plenty off the golf!Some nice pressies coming Mrs Happy's way me thinks!? 1 Quote
hunterthepunter Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mooncoin said: Thomo, Happy is making plenty off the golf!Some nice pressies coming Mrs Happy's way me thinks!? I think Brodie stole his mrs lol Quote
Mooncoin Posted November 7, 2019 Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said: I think Brodie stole his mrs lol Brodie, some nice pressies coming your way! 1 Quote
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