Gammalite Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Why does it have to be internal staff? Just count all the individuals involved in getting a horse to the races particularly if you are a small stable or even a big stable that uses a horse transporting company. No it doesn't. The Waller incident he got off in 2013 (even with 2 positive swabs! ) 'External' people at the Feed mixing place WRONGLY mixed Wallers feed order with someone elses. So Feed supplier got the blame. How convenient. Makes you wonder who the Contaminated order was really for ??? were they after a positive ?? hahaha..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: As for declarations of innocence "early on in the piece" I think it is accurate to say that most accused always attest to that. What did you want "no comment" or "yes we are guilty"? What do I want them to say? Well I guess they could always give the truth a go ..... 😜 Edited January 15, 2021 by jess typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 46 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: "Everybody would want them to fail." Didn't happen with the O'Sullivan stable did it? The fact is in this case it would be impossible to prove that they had "cheated" even if they had. The horse has recorded a positive. That in itself isn't sufficient evidence to prove anything other than there was morphine in the horse's system. Hardly performance enhancing is it? Morphine isn't a "Go Fast" drug. As I posted earlier - how many positive tests has Te Akau returned over the years? "..... and that your Honour, is the case for the defence" 😜😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 56 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: "Everybody would want them to fail." Didn't happen with the O'Sullivan stable did it? The fact is in this case it would be impossible to prove that they had "cheated" even if they had. The horse has recorded a positive. That in itself isn't sufficient evidence to prove anything other than there was morphine in the horse's system. Hardly performance enhancing is it? Morphine isn't a "Go Fast" drug. As I posted earlier - how many positive tests has Te Akau returned over the years? But they didn't cheat did they? They had a derby horse sharing a paddock with some beefies the night before the derby , a totally normal thing for any stable to do with horses, particularly heading into a G1. So why would anyone want them to fail? I'm inferring if they were caught cheating, not the completely innocent totally understandable normal course of events that went on at the O'Sullivan barn. Of course I'm one of the persons suffering from jealousy and tall poppy syndrome, cause I only wish I had one good enough to stick in the beefies paddock! 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, Huey said: I only wish I had one good enough to stick in the beefies paddock! Give David Ellis a call. He is a fine judge of beef livestock afterall that's where he first made his money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Has anyone answered my question about how many test positives Te Akau have had. I'm thinking only this latest one but as soon as I say that someone will do some digging. That's 1 in about 35+ years! Makes those Ozzie trainers look like bread thieves! Woops they are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Give David Ellis a call. He is a fine judge of beef livestock afterall that's where he first made his money. What Brando in the beefies paddock tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Huey said: What Brando in the beefies paddock tonight? Wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't been at some stage. Seen pics on their social media pages with some of their most valuable horses in a 26 acre paddock with steers. Of course a valuable colt might be a different story. But not unheard of for these properties to share paddocks with bloodstock and dry stock. Perhaps not at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Is it right that the paper should be surmising what the probable cause is before all the facts and tests have been completed, one should keep an open mind on this issue, all we can hope for is a level playing field for all, no matter who the stable belongs to. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Shad said: Is it right that the paper should be surmising what the probable cause is before all the facts and tests have been completed, one should keep an open mind on this issue, all we can hope for is a level playing field for all, no matter who the stable belongs to. When was the last time that you can remember the 4th Estate reporting the facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Very true, but alot of people take it as gospel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Wouldn't surprise me if he hasn't been at some stage. Seen pics on their social media pages with some of their most valuable horses in a 26 acre paddock with steers. Of course a valuable colt might be a different story. But not unheard of for these properties to share paddocks with bloodstock and dry stock. Perhaps not at the same time. Chief - cards on the table then - are you saying you actually swallowed (no pun intended) the infamous shared Cobalt trough defence from a while back? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 30 minutes ago, jess said: Chief - cards on the table then - are you saying you actually swallowed (no pun intended) the infamous shared Cobalt trough defence from a while back? I did not find it totally implausible. As someone from a farming background and horse training experience I could not find any reason to discount that defence. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 15 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Could be any number of reasons. However it is a double blow as the mare bled during the running of the Hallmark and has been stood down. So her racing career is on hold anyway. On the subject of bleeding. My wife tried to tell me she thought Advantage had blood from its nostril when it came back to scale after its last win. Last time she said that was about catalyst,which we read they blamed on a bump to the head,but where has that got to. Anyway back to Advantage. I assume it is the horse on the cover of the latest raceform magazine,with the headline "she's back to defend her crown". Well that photo seems to show it has blood coming from the nostril in the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 7 hours ago, the galah said: Anyway back to Advantage. I assume it is the horse on the cover of the latest raceform magazine,with the headline "she's back to defend her crown". Well that photo seems to show it has blood coming from the nostril in the picture. Come on Galah do you really think that would be the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Come on Galah do you really think that would be the case? Just have a look at the front cover picture if you don't believe me. Thats what it looked like on trackside at the time. Did the person leading the horse back not have a look? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, the galah said: Just have a look at the front cover picture if you don't believe me. Thats what it looked like on trackside at the time. Did the person leading the horse back not have a look? I don't get the raceform magazine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 22 minutes ago, the galah said: Just have a look at the front cover picture if you don't believe me. Thats what it looked like on trackside at the time. Did the person leading the horse back not have a look? Just checked the Stewards report - didn't you do that Galah? Yes there was blood in Avantage's nostril but it wasn't from its lungs. AVANTAGE (O Bosson) - Post-race the mare was found to have a small amount of blood in the left nostril due to a minor laceration in the nostril. No doubt the conspiracists will keep on with another interpretation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 10 hours ago, jess said: Chief - cards on the table then - are you saying you actually swallowed (no pun intended) the infamous shared Cobalt trough defence from a while back? It was a script that would make Enid Blyton blush. Who ever penned it deserved an Oscar and Lance's role in convincing the powers that be that is was credible, was his best ride EVER. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Just checked the Stewards report - didn't you do that Galah? Yes there was blood in Avantage's nostril but it wasn't from its lungs. AVANTAGE (O Bosson) - Post-race the mare was found to have a small amount of blood in the left nostril due to a minor laceration in the nostril. No doubt the conspiracists will keep on with another interpretation! No i didn't check the report. The trots stipes reports are much better on their website as they have that information in the results and have it up the same day as the races. So it appears it did bleed,but there was a reasonable explanation. Fair enough. Of course you have to be a bit wary of some explanations sometimes,and you would think the stipes should order some type of vet clearance or follow up. Then of course you had the Catalyst bleeding which they put down to bumping its head pre race. It may be just coincidence that its performances since have left questions over that explanation. Who knows,but i agree te akau must believe there is no problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) . Edited January 15, 2021 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, the galah said: So it appears it did bleed,but there was a reasonable explanation. Fair enough. Of course you have to be a bit wary of some explanations sometimes,and you would think the stipes should order some type of vet clearance or follow up. Well therein lies the problem. What the hell do the Stipes do? The lack of information being published only leads to scuttlebutt, innuendo and conspiracy. Can someone tell me what the hell Goober Godber actually do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, the galah said: Then of course you had the Catalyst bleeding which they put down to bumping its head pre race. It may be just coincidence that its performances since have left questions over that explanation. Who knows,but i agree te akau must believe there is no problem. When you consider that 90% of horses bleed at some stage then it is inevitable that there will be more examples. The only time it needs to be reported is if it originates from the lungs and displays in the nostrils! The Catalyst explanation is entirely plausible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 47 minutes ago, KickintheKods said: It was a script that would make Enid Blyton blush There oft nothing more stranger than the truth. If you are not providing supplementary cobalt to your livestock particularly on deficient soils then arguably you are not doing the best for your livestock. Hell 50 years ago in primary school I was taught about Cobalt deficiency on volcanic soils. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KickintheKods Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 When Larnie bought that magnificent farm a few years back he paid, what was at the time, a huge amount of coin because it was such a prized possesion to own. There were port a loos for the cattle in each paddock and the troughs were purchased second hand from the Hilton in Hawaii. The soil was trucked in from Palmer's gardenworld and the grass was as soft as toilet tissue at HQ. It was the Mecca for meat carrying bovine beauties. Perhaps the cobolt came in the troughs from Hawaii. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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