Newmarket Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 I see Mickey Mouse on his crazy FB post saying he is getting out of Harness to concentrate on Gallops?? i am surprised he has lasted this long trying to win races with his plodding team, I for one think it dumbs down races. 20 years ago we never had so many crap races, what good comes out of it. Poor old owners paying top dollar each month on training bills, hardly any pay their way. i usually avoid betting on races that his team are in, run hot and cold far too often, and hard to read the race. Good luck Micky, but I think you will find it just as hard training 50 start maiden gallopers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, Newmarket said: I see Mickey Mouse on his crazy FB post saying he is getting out of Harness to concentrate on Gallops?? i am surprised he has lasted this long trying to win races with his plodding team, I for one think it dumbs down races. 20 years ago we never had so many crap races, what good comes out of it. Poor old owners paying top dollar each month on training bills, hardly any pay their way. i usually avoid betting on races that his team are in, run hot and cold far too often, and hard to read the race. Good luck Micky, but I think you will find it just as hard training 50 start maiden gallopers. I think you are being a bit harsh on Mr House. Plodding team? He's wins more races than most trainers. He also uses top drivers on his horses, Blair Orange, Sarah O'Reilly something other trainers could learn from . Yes, most of his horses are in the middle gradings and that is why some are hard to follow. The grading system is difficult, I don't understand it. There are races with rating 35-48 that's quite a spread. Back in the day, there were more horses, and there would be plenty of C3 horses, for example, to have a C3 race. Today, that is not possible except on rare occasions - Premier days. So you have a horse like Changearound that will win again soon. When it does it will go up a grade and be uncompetitive until it has four or five misses and drops grades. I agree with you about crap races but that is not caused by Mr House, rather a lack of horses. Or too much racing? I get sick of the slow, grass track nags that run around week after week and seldom bet on them unless I see a good thing. At least Houses' horses are fit. Horses have hardly ever paid their way that is nothing new. I think it would be easier to make money today because there are fewer horses and the grading system does make it possible for horses, particularly trotters, to amass impressive earnings. Think of the likes of Bright Glow, The Bloss, Take After Me, Sod's Law, who have earned over $100,000. Back in the day horses like those would have got to C3-4 and that would be it. Personally, I think the industry needs more people like Mr House. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 10, 2022 Author Share Posted May 10, 2022 1 hour ago, Davis said: I think you are being a bit harsh on Mr House. Plodding team? He's wins more races than most trainers. He also uses top drivers on his horses, Blair Orange, Sarah O'Reilly something other trainers could learn from . Yes, most of his horses are in the middle gradings and that is why some are hard to follow. The grading system is difficult, I don't understand it. There are races with rating 35-48 that's quite a spread. Back in the day, there were more horses, and there would be plenty of C3 horses, for example, to have a C3 race. Today, that is not possible except on rare occasions - Premier days. So you have a horse like Changearound that will win again soon. When it does it will go up a grade and be uncompetitive until it has four or five misses and drops grades. I agree with you about crap races but that is not caused by Mr House, rather a lack of horses. Or too much racing? I get sick of the slow, grass track nags that run around week after week and seldom bet on them unless I see a good thing. At least Houses' horses are fit. Horses have hardly ever paid their way that is nothing new. I think it would be easier to make money today because there are fewer horses and the grading system does make it possible for horses, particularly trotters, to amass impressive earnings. Think of the likes of Bright Glow, The Bloss, Take After Me, Sod's Law, who have earned over $100,000. Back in the day horses like those would have got to C3-4 and that would be it. Personally, I think the industry needs more people like Mr House. Fair enough, each to their own. I am not sure the drop back system helps too much, I see no point in some runners going around for the hell of it. 20 years ago we had great fields, from C1 to OC, those that didn’t make the grade got sold or retired, or maybe end in a can☹️ But maybe they need to concentrate on the better horses, increase stakes for good horses which will make it likely they stay in NZ. Need to keep people excited with NZ harness, sir castleton vrs basil Dean, Royden Glenn vrs preux chav, hands down vrs delightful lady etc, etc. The game is getting stale, and these midweek meetings don’t get too many excited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: Fair enough, each to their own. I am not sure the drop back system helps too much, I see no point in some runners going around for the hell of it. 20 years ago we had great fields, from C1 to OC, those that didn’t make the grade got sold or retired, or maybe end in a can☹️ The game is getting stale, and these midweek meetings don’t get too many excited. There is a lot of same old same old almost non event meetings, I think if you over do the same product you switch off,(lose interest) over time, yet the hierarchy tell us alls well, turnovers wise etc etc. The old C1 C2 system seemed to work well to a point but should a winner at Manawatu winning a 5 horse race get the same penalty as a horse winning at Addington or Auckland, I'm not up with a lot of this now, so maybe they dont now but with the drop back system as it is a lot must be going around waiting for the dropdown so they can pick up another win, dont think there is any easy fix really, most of the racing is as you say stale Alexy was one who the system suited perfectly. Edited May 10, 2022 by mikeynz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Apparently Addington raced yesterday, I must have slept right through that one can anybody tell me if I missed anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Apparently Addington raced yesterday, I must have slept right through that one can anybody tell me if I missed anything. You sure sleep alot Mikey lol. Michael House 10 starters for 1 win, 2 x 2nds, 2 x 3rds, ... smack on the law of averages from weight of numbers. nothing to see there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 What I do know is if Michael House dies go to the gallopers then u would say Palmerston North is Goooone! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Brodie said: What I do know is if Michael House dies go to the gallopers then u would say Palmerston North is Goooone! That bloke that trained quite a few including White Arrow might make a comeback. Mickey Mouse probably got the idea off him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) I've no idea what michael house says on facebook.Hes an intelligent man and says things for a reason but without the context of what has been suggested by newmarket,who really knows whether he's serious. Besides transferring to the gallopers would be like transferring from a ship taking on water to get on one that has started to sink in my opinion.Apart from the one day a year crowd that goes on the main racedays,the gallops doesn't have the following harness does in the south island. Maybe he dreams of relocating as well. But if you were to name the Trainer in New zealand who is making the greatest contribution to harness racing in New Zealand then Michael House stands out as the top choice. House trained racehorses operate at the grass roots level of NZ harness racing,and he supplies large numbers which enable races to be run that wouldn't without him. More stakes are paid to owners,more betting turnover is generated for the industry and more income goes to fellow trainers and drivers who can compete in the races that get off the ground because of his support. Hrnz,and for that matter anyone with any thinking capacity,have recognised that because of dwindling numbers being bred,greater use has to be made of the horse population that is here,and House does just that. Edited May 11, 2022 by the galah 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 11/05/2022 at 3:07 PM, Rangatira said: That bloke that trained quite a few including White Arrow might make a comeback. Nah Too busy selling railway sleepers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 11/05/2022 at 6:48 AM, Newmarket said: I see Mickey Mouse on his crazy FB post saying he is getting out of Harness to concentrate on Gallops?? i am surprised he has lasted this long trying to win races with his plodding team, I for one think it dumbs down races. 20 years ago we never had so many crap races, what good comes out of it. Poor old owners paying top dollar each month on training bills, hardly any pay their way. i usually avoid betting on races that his team are in, run hot and cold far too often, and hard to read the race. Good luck Micky, but I think you will find it just as hard training 50 start maiden gallopers. Hasn't done too bad so far. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 19 hours ago, Harewood said: Nah Too busy selling railway sleepers Money for old rope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 Thanks team. Got Platinum Petals at 15's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 On 13/05/2022 at 9:20 AM, Freda said: Hasn't done too bad so far. Still doing alright. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 22, 2022 Author Share Posted May 22, 2022 On 19/05/2022 at 3:22 PM, Chief Stipe said: Still doing alright. Take out Manawatu stats, and his UDR is lower than a sausage dogs guts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 22/05/2022 at 7:53 PM, Newmarket said: Take out Manawatu stats, and his UDR is lower than a sausage dogs guts. but why would you take out Manawatu stats? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Major Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Spatchcock said: but why would you take out Manawatu stats? Doesnt matter where the racing is,M. House is still winning races and doing more for Harness Racing than most could ever dream about.We need more people like him to keep Harness Racing going! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 5 hours ago, The Major said: Doesnt matter where the racing is,M. House is still winning races and doing more for Harness Racing than most could ever dream about.We need more people like him to keep Harness Racing going! Yes we do need more people coming thru all the ranks, punters, owners, trainers and drivers! Without any of them then racing is finished. House has insinuated that he may well jump ship to the gallopers in the future, so watch this space! Certainly wouldnt be as hard as training standardbreds, as anyone can be a galloping trainer!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: House has insinuated that he may well jump ship to the gallopers in the future, so watch this space! Keep up @Brodie he already is training gallopers and not doing too badly either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 On 22/05/2022 at 7:53 PM, Newmarket said: Take out Manawatu stats, and his UDR is lower than a sausage dogs guts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: That looks like some of the fine fine looking ladies I saw, last time I was in Palmy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 38 minutes ago, Ludwig said: That looks like some of the fine fine looking ladies I saw, last time I was in Palmy. Are you a retired jockey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Keep up @Brodie he already is training gallopers and not doing too badly either. He did say he was training gallopers but because I dont follow the cartless ones whatsoever, I wouldnt know how many he has trained or is currently training? His insinuation was that he may get out of harness in favour of the gallopers, Chief. Edited May 24, 2022 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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