hesi Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, Taku Umanga said: Yes they do! If that is the case, then it should be a formality that the licenses of those charged are suspended by HRNZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Not sure if its been mentioned already.But i see that Blair,John and Matt aren't driving over the weekend now.With whats going on its probably a good thing i suppose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, hesi said: If that is the case, then it should be a formality that the licenses of those charged are suspended by HRNZ It should be but I doubt that HRNZ has the "balls" to do it ...... Maybe the RIU will ban them from racecourses, which I'm led to believe they are able to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Be careful guys you are starting to talk in the context that they have been found guilty as charged. Long way to go yet. Could be some interesting juries to be on! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, hesi said: I don't think it is an offense for one licensed person to send another licensed person a text arranging 'driving tactics'(could be wrong), unless it can be proved that it actually happened in a race, and this was supported by wagering evidence I agree with you and people in the industry would accept this goes on but the general public would see this as a massive rort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 In Ozzie they would be stood down and so they should be here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 46 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Well, for a start you could say that once you start texting driving tactics, one or more doing the texting, is obviously not giving their horse the best possible chance to win. what if their horse was no chance to win anyways and the tactic allowed it to place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Be careful guys you are starting to talk in the context that they have been found guilty as charged. Long way to go yet. Could be some interesting juries to be on! I'm just relating this to the Lisa Cropp case, where because she kept appealing, she was allowed to keep her license and keep on riding. This was because the rules did not allow NZTR to suspend her. They were subsequently amended, to allow NZTR to suspend a license holder while proceedings were happening I'm just asking the question as to whether the HRNZ rules also give them the power to suspend licenses while proceedings are underway, or whether they must wait till the outcome of any court case, including appeals If you recall, Cropp dragged it on for 4 years through appeal after appeal, made a monkey of NZTR, and they could not do anything, is the same thing going to happen here Edited September 5, 2018 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: Yes, 2 best horses clear out, but runner up should have won. You can clearly see blair looking back for runner early on, which is not a good look, and i say the biggest look i have ever seen. Then entering straight just over lap to go, looks again, takes hold of leader to allow other horse easy lead, dictates last lap, sprints to win. Now, very few would give the lead away a lap from home on that track would they, it makes little sense. Blair drove so many winners on the circuit, most from the front. I hope that he doesnt get charged, hope that there is no substance to it, but nothing surprises me. I disagree Newmarket. Leading drivers always look around to see who is where especially good ones. So he handed up to the favourite and got a trail for a lap and there was a passing lane. The favourite who won was 1/2 in the betting the second favourite was 2/1. They were lengths better than the rest. What was the last 400m run in? They'd be hard pressed to prove match fixing on the video alone. Let's face it the RIU advising the Police on how to read a race reminds me of the blind leading the blind. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 If the RIU stand those involved down then I feel really sorry for the Greyhound fraternity as Brendon Cole has been under investigation for 13 months and in the meantime has won stakes to the tune of $ 2.2 million dollars. What the fucks the difference 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 more canterbury trainers visited today. Seems southland stable was Barclay/ Ellis, no charges so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 http://www.harnesslink.com/New-Zealand/RIU-Media-Release---Operation-Inca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Garrick Knight @GarrickRKnight 1h1 hour ago More A prominent Canterbury trainer had not turned up at his stables by 12.30 this afternoon. This is highly unusual, according to someone else based there. His horses have not been worked or fed and his phone was off. Police have not been to the stable. WTF Edited September 5, 2018 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 28 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: I disagree Newmarket. Leading drivers always look around to see who is where especially good ones. So he handed up to the favourite and got a trail for a lap and there was a passing lane. The favourite who won was 1/2 in the betting the second favourite was 2/1. They were lengths better than the rest. What was the last 400m run in? They'd be hard pressed to prove match fixing on the video alone. Let's face it the RIU advising the Police on how to read a race reminds me of the blind leading the blind. Yes, if i had bet on that race initially and watched the race, i would say Blair should have kept the front rather than take a trail. Its a shitty track, most races are won from the front, in fact i would be surprised if you could find a race where Blair gave lead away a lap out on that track. But would have given him benefit of the doubt. But now, throw in the pot the names mentioned yesterday and the word race fixing, makes this a race to look at. Lets face it, for them to be charged after 17 months, tells us the police have the info. By the way, if a driver did have a rival at the back of the field, why slow down to allow him to take lead? Surely, with your main rival out back, run them along, and he is home 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 5, 2018 Author Share Posted September 5, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Garrick Knight @GarrickRKnight 1h1 hour ago More A prominent Canterbury trainer had not turned up at his stables by 12.30 this afternoon. This is highly unusual, according to someone else based there. His horses have not been worked or fed and his phone was off. Police have not been to the stable. WTF Hope all is well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Garrick Knight @GarrickRKnight 41s41 seconds ago More BREAKING: Four people have been arrested today, including two prominent Canterbury harness trainers. Range of charges include match fixing, supplying drugs and a weapons charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Garrick Knight @GarrickRKnight 41s41 seconds ago More BREAKING: Four people have been arrested today, including two prominent Canterbury harness trainers. Range of charges include match fixing, supplying drugs and a weapons charge. I don't mean to be pedantic, but is "match" fixing and "race" fixing one and the same, or have they made an error in the charge description? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Gavin said: I don't mean to be pedantic, but is "match" fixing and "race" fixing one and the same, or have they made an error in the charge description? i think so and races become matches for the purpose of charges same happened in australia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gavin said: I don't mean to be pedantic, but is "match" fixing and "race" fixing one and the same, or have they made an error in the charge description? I think "match fixing" might be a legal term used in the Act that the charges derive from. The key in this whole debacle is if the alleged crimes were committed who blinks first? That is who first pleads guilty under a plea bargain. Perhaps the TAB should open a book on it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, Chief Stipe said: I think "match fixing" might be a legal term used in the Act that the charges derive from. The key in this whole debacle is if the alleged crimes were committed who blinks first? That is who first pleads guilty under a plea bargain. the fact those charged are not allowed on a racecourse for the time being is going to make for some high pressure decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, Rangatira said: the fact those charged are not allowed on a racecourse for the time being is going to make for some high pressure decisions Is that official? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, Chief Stipe said: Is that official? Yes - according to Trackside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Just now, Chief Stipe said: Is that official? via riu http://www.harnesslink.com/New-Zealand/RIU-Media-Release---Operation-Inca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 Garrick Knight @GarrickRKnight 13m13 minutes ago More Garrick Knight Retweeted Garrick Knight Clarification, THREE today, one was one of yesterday’s with a different surname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 5, 2018 Share Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) Garrick Knight @GarrickRKnight 2m2 minutes ago More OK, I’m going to sleep. Been up 32 hours straight. Please do NOT ring me well earned give that man a db Edited September 5, 2018 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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