Newmarket Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 Hey Mr Policeman, Can you please check betting records on this race too. I posted my thoughts at the time. Hail Christian draws 2, pulls back and lets the dunn boys go around to dictate. Not surprising, Hail Christian wins next start, $40k race??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 Funny that P4P and Scoobs stuck up for the ones under the spotlight, had no idea about harness, shit for brains. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Funny that P4P and Scoobs stuck up for the ones under the spotlight, had no idea about harness, shit for brains. Don't bring them into it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: Don't bring them into it. they are tossers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 Is every harness winner swabbed at Addington? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Newmarket said: Is every harness winner swabbed at Addington? yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Hey Mr Policeman, Good example but unfortunately there is one every race. How many times have I yelled at tv going ' put him into race' or ' go now' and they simply don't. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Good example but unfortunately there is one every race. How many times have I yelled at tv going ' put him into race' or ' go now' and they simply don't. Watch it again, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Is all this really surprising, many on both sites have commented on poor drives, alleged tactics, for a long time, nothing ever done or reported, some shunned by others posters, sometimes we put these top professional athletes on a pedestal, but at the end of they day they are only human. Guess it will all come out in the wash, whoever, whatever has gone on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 personally I have reviewed tapes of every harness race in Nz this year.Just trying to make a dollar. My view of Blair orange is that I have never doubted he was always trying to win. Obviously the dexter Dunn drive on Eamon McGuire at fotbuty was questionable, however he too in my opinion tries each time. Will be interesting to see what transpires . One assumes the investigation involves some type of kick backs or money invested on behalf of, both illegal activity. I must say i initially thought this inquiry may relate to horses being given something to improve performances.but obviously not this time. Also in my opinion the hardest place to predict drivers tactics is at manawatu where many,many times I have wondered about driving tactics of several families. That just my opinion. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 58 minutes ago, the galah said: personally I have reviewed tapes of every harness race in Nz this year.Just trying to make a dollar. My view of Blair orange is that I have never doubted he was always trying to win. Obviously the dexter Dunn drive on Eamon McGuire at fotbuty was questionable, however he too in my opinion tries each time. Will be interesting to see what transpires . One assumes the investigation involves some type of kick backs or money invested on behalf of, both illegal activity. I must say i initially thought this inquiry may relate to horses being given something to improve performances.but obviously not this time. Also in my opinion the hardest place to predict drivers tactics is at manawatu where many,many times I have wondered about driving tactics of several families. That just my opinion. I must admit watching Blair orange he seems to try hard, I would have to say Dex doesn't put them into a race like he used to, I put that down to been there done that going through the motions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) I am very much an amateur observer when it comes to this code. But I have watched harness races on TV and at the track where the tactics have beggared my belief. One time on-course there were 2 drivers who were clearly "connected". I watched as one would go to the front - a good horse would come up outside him and the front runner would go like hell in a speed duel to keep him out- ruining his own chances. Subsequently the leader's connected driver would come up outside him and the leader would obediently hand up at the perfect time and his "mate" would go on to win. If it happened once I might have been able to talk myself out of any conspiracy theory. But when I saw a similar pattern in several races, involving the same 2 drivers, I was struggling to put it down to coincidence or a series of honest explanations. When I expressed my observations my more learned mate shrugged and said "oh team driving - yeah - that lot do it quite a bit" Edited September 4, 2018 by jess 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Oh and just a quick post script ... it piqued my interest so I looked up the stewards' report later on ...... not a problem apparently. Must've imagined it .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 On 4/09/2018 at 2:54 AM, Happy Sunrise said: Good example but unfortunately there is one every race. How many times have I yelled at tv going ' put him into race' or ' go now' and they simply don't. haven't you heard of the mobile phone ? better than yelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 (edited) 7 people charged so far more details to follow Edited September 4, 2018 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12119404 Seven people have been charged in relation to Operation Inca — an investigation into alleged race-fixing in the harness racing industry. A 26-year-old man is due to appear in Christchurch District Court today on charges of deception by match-fixing, possessing Class B drugs for supply, and supplying Class B drugs. Four men, aged 34, 40, 41 and 44, are due to appear in Christchurch District Court next week on match-fixing charges. A 41-year-old woman was also due to appear the same day on two counts of supplying Class B drugs. A 27-year-old man has been charged with deception by match-fixing and is due to appear in Palmerston North District Court next week. The charges follow raids at 10 stables yesterday in Canterbury, Manawatu and Invercargill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, jess said: Oh and just a quick post script ... it piqued my interest so I looked up the stewards' report later on ...... not a problem apparently. Must've imagined it .... No Jess it happens alot as you say, not sure if they still do it in American thoroughbred racing but they used to couple up stable runners for betting purposes on the tote no matter if one was odds on and the other was 40-1 and I'm sure you weren't allowed more than 2 from one stable in a race. That was the one annoying thing I found in the top English races, a big stable like Godolphin were allowed to run a pacemaker so their top horse got the tempo it needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 Well, I have just been informed, from a very reliable source, that once this all comes out, the net will widen. Huge, huge, huge, we will all be surprised by outcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Just now, Newmarket said: Well, I have just been informed, from a very reliable source, that once this all comes out, the net will widen. Huge, huge, huge, we will all be surprised by outcome. well the waterhouses did get charged with having prior knowledge so anything is possible everytime i bet i think i have prior knowledge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 There is nothing new here, race fixing in the trotting code has happened since harness began. I remember reading a book by a well known identity in the code, name eludes me, came from the Waikato area about taking harness racing to England in the 50's 60's. They managed to establish it in Wales. Just about every race was fixed, and that is what sunk it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 19 hours ago, Rangatira said: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12119404 Seven people have been charged in relation to Operation Inca — an investigation into alleged race-fixing in the harness racing industry. A 26-year-old man is due to appear in Christchurch District Court today on charges of deception by match-fixing, possessing Class B drugs for supply, and supplying Class B drugs. Four men, aged 34, 40, 41 and 44, are due to appear in Christchurch District Court next week on match-fixing charges. A 41-year-old woman was also due to appear the same day on two counts of supplying Class B drugs. A 27-year-old man has been charged with deception by match-fixing and is due to appear in Palmerston North District Court next week. The charges follow raids at 10 stables yesterday in Canterbury, Manawatu and Invercargill. 41 y o woman-----same age as Natalie R ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 52 minutes ago, Rangatira said: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12119404 Seven people have been charged in relation to Operation Inca — an investigation into alleged race-fixing in the harness racing industry. A 26-year-old man is due to appear in Christchurch District Court today on charges of deception by match-fixing, possessing Class B drugs for supply, and supplying Class B drugs. Four men, aged 34, 40, 41 and 44, are due to appear in Christchurch District Court next week on match-fixing charges. A 41-year-old woman was also due to appear the same day on two counts of supplying Class B drugs. A 27-year-old man has been charged with deception by match-fixing and is due to appear in Palmerston North District Court next week. The charges follow raids at 10 stables yesterday in Canterbury, Manawatu and Invercargill. The “27yo” man in Palmerston North is actually 47 years old. Police confirm an error at their end and will be adjusting their release shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: 41 y o woman-----same age as Natalie R ? Horses maybe not drugged, but maybe humans???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Plot twist - the 47 year old from Palmerston North has a high profile in the thoroughbred industry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Michael Guerin @GuerinSports 39m39 minutes ago More The latest race fixing story update, which now included charges for recreational drug use/supply. I would suggest the drug use charges have come about from info gained from phone taps trying to prove race fixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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