Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: very quiet at spitfire lonestar tonight you go easy if you are drinking alone hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: meaning? he is inviting you for a drink happy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: meaning? no one in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: no one in there Do harness people drink there? Where is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Is that the one by the airport HP. Had a few drinks there few weeks ago,couldnt remember what it was called. Nice pub,is that your local Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Had a look. Just had to. See BOAY are being quoted on RC despite all the harness racing section pleas for peace between the sites. They can't help themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, Richie said: Is that the one by the airport HP. Had a few drinks there few weeks ago,couldnt remember what it was called. Nice pub,is that your local at airport some racing guys drink there run by big trev 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Aint this thing a f**king mess of enormous proportions. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: Aint this thing a f**king mess of enormous proportions. ? goes back to that race a forbury doesnt it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Had a look. Just had to. See BOAY are being quoted on RC despite all the harness racing section pleas for peace between the sites. They can't help themselves. Yeah I still post over there but some of them that say they not come on here quoting posts from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Rangatira said: goes back to that race a forbury doesnt it Yes, well that fizzled out seemingly. That reporter took a lot of heat over the article. Seemingly where there is smoke there is a blazing forest fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Yes, well that fizzled out seemingly. That reporter took a lot of heat over the article. Seemingly where there is smoke there is a blazing forest fire. Just a thought, but that driver's challenge that got debated where Dex was $1.06 and orange won it at $7s sticks out like dolly Parton.... really hope it's all a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Flagship uberalles said: Just a thought, but that driver's challenge that got debated where Dex was $1.06 and orange won it at $7s sticks out like dolly Parton.... really hope it's all a mistake. And 3 races earlier this year at Addington that Dex was fave and gave lead away to John who won all 3 and subsequently won drivers challenge 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Yes, well that fizzled out seemingly. That reporter took a lot of heat over the article. Seemingly where there is smoke there is a blazing forest fire. blazing forest fire Richie whent out with chic once called bush fire never left stick standing lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Just a thought, but that driver's challenge that got debated where Dex was $1.06 and orange won it at $7s sticks out like dolly Parton.... really hope it's all a mistake. But that will be revealed by the betting patterns. No patterns - no charge? Brodie obviously wasn't part of it lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: But that will be revealed by the betting patterns. No patterns - no charge? Brodie obviously wasn't part of it lol brodie scared to tip in case he was under investigation clever that brodie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rangatira said: brodie scared to tip in case he was under investigation clever that brodie Brighter than you give him credit for! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: But that will be revealed by the betting patterns. No patterns - no charge? Brodie obviously wasn't part of it lol They would go wtf this guy is all over the place with his rough place bets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 this wasnt the best drive i have seen on a 1.10 shot https://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=231307 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Nowornever said: They would go wtf this guy is all over the place with his rough place bets. ....and no one sane would bet on these horses... ....and I think we have got the wrong authorities involved.....I will get onto mental health in the morning lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Michael Guerin: The evidence that could bring racing industry to its knees COMMENT: Whether the current harness racing race fixing blow ends up a bleeding nose or a gaping wound will almost certainly depend on the contents of texts and phone calls now in police hands. Some of the industry's biggest names spent at least part of today in police custody, and while unconfirmed, some have already been charged with race fixing or similar offences. Names at the centre of the investigation named Operation Inca include last season's premiership-winning driver Blair Orange, the man he dethroned for that title Dexter Dunn, and Dunn's brother John, himself a leading driver. The Herald understands at least one other successful Canterbury trainer was extensively questioned by police, while they also visited the stables of champion trainers Mark Purdon and Natalie Rasmussen, with Purdon reportedly not part of the investigation. While police today suggested race fixing and potentially drugs are at the centre of their investigations the Herald was told that illegal performance-enhancing substances used on horses are not the focal point of Operation Inca. The investigation was sparked by information passed to police by the Racing Integrity Unit as early as April last year and police have tapped phones and checked text messages as part of the investigation. What they found or are still to find in those texts or calls will be crucial to building a case against any of those under investigation because race fixing is incredibly hard to prove. And often even harder to actually achieve. While there have and always will be those who are suspicious of racing being "fixed", the reality is it has never been cleaner because of technology. Most trainers and drivers/jockeys don't bet because it is too easy to trace, with bookies openly supplying betting records to authorities. So any of the people under investigation placing a bet on a race they were involved with would set off alarm bells regardless of the result. Which is why the spouses of several of those under investigation were also questioned today, to see whether they had placed bets on their partner's behalf. That is almost certain to be a dead end. What is more likely to end up at the centre of the investigation and any future charges will be betting activities of third parties who bet on information supplied by horsepeople and may have rewarded them for that information. That in itself is an offence but a relatively minor one. The real problem for harness racing would be if any of the parties involved colluded to rig a race, supplied that information to a third party and benefited from that information and any money subsequently won. That would have huge ramifications, an iceberg to racing's Titanic. Text messages, phone calls or face-to-face conversations between punters looking for a tip, even just an opinion, from horsepeople have been going on for as long as there have been phones or racetracks. So if the text messages, recordings and apparently emails, the latter a seemingly very strange way to fix a race, confirm that any drivers knew each other's plans and passed that information on, then harness racing has a problem like cricket's famous match fixing scandals. The other option is a punter ringing multiple horsepeople, putting that information together and betting accordingly for their own purposes. Christchurch-based owner Graham Beirne also had property raided today but was overseas and denies any wrongdoing. Whether any punter, in New Zealand or overseas, would have the money and more importantly the power to fix a race and convince the people at the centre of this investigation is questionable. Such scams are incredibly hard to pull off, as the mastermind needs drivers capable of controlling the main variables of the race without outside interference. The money gambled on New Zealand harness races is relatively small compared with overseas thoroughbred action and any unusual transactions are easily spotted and the driving tactics around them noted. The electronic trail is so pronounced, the telecommunications so easy to track, anybody engaging in prolonged race-fixing would be certain to get caught. This investigation could last a long time but regardless of how it pans out, to the punting public, perception is often reality, and harness racing's reputation has taken a huge blow. The irony is this: Orange and Dexter Dunn travelled to almost every race meeting they attended last season together. I spoke to them before, after and sometimes even during those meetings. They are, hand on heart, two of the worst tipsters I have ever met among the leading horsepeople and if your betting strategy was punting on what they thought was going to happen, you would go broke. But now the racing industry will wait to find out what was said, texted and written. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Mick has been reading my mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Hard to sort out truth from rumor at this stage ...but the wording might also be important ... Perhaps Police have not arrested anyone ... could still however have laid charges and proceed to court.by way of serving a summons on the defendant ... (without arresting him...) J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: I like Andrew Stuart's horses. They get backed when they are going to go close. Have noticed that quite a few times. Stagger Lee comes to mind on the grass one day at Rangiora. Thought it was a good bet anyway. Andrew Stuart is a mediocre trainer with a poor record. Last season he won 12 races from 182 starts, stakes $120,295, UDR .1274 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: Andrew Stuart is a mediocre trainer with a poor record. Last season he won 12 races from 182 starts, stakes $120,295, UDR .1274 i think you are being a bit harsh there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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