Joe Bloggs

Chief, I partly agree, the breaker is very important, Greg Bennett perhaps the most renowned breaker/trainer/breaker is a point in question. Greg trained horses for us, he also broke them in, he is different to many, including myself. I broke my own in at Flemington, back in the day when we had 2 meetings a week. The jumps jocks used to be our go to riders and would get on once the ground work was done......they still do now, but not to the extent they did back in the 70's and 80's when jumping in VIC was huge and riders plentiful. Greg rides his own, he's a class act and as Makybe Diva's breaker plus countless other gr1 horses, including Saturday's Magic Millions quinella, has a record to excel. Rutten broke our filly in as I was living in AUS and I met him when we were over on business, Benner trained her, he was only starting out then....I watched him grow as a trainer as you all did. I'm sure if Johno had of left for Oz he would have made it, with Holly he really can't fail, NZ may well fail him though Chief, if the prizemoney and programming keeps rolling south, it's goodnight Irene and Johno will have to bail....surely. I've seen some horrible jobs done by breakers, one of ours nearly ruined by a unprofessional sicko who is now out of business, told us our was 'one in a hundred' too the 10K for breaking in the 4 we sent them, but yes Chief they defined greatly the future path of that filly in particular. Thankfully, a patient and gifted lady trainer salvaged her career for us and she improved enough to show she deserved to be here in Oz. As Nomates alluded, Karen Z may not have trained a lot of 2yo winners, but I'm sure Johno learnt his early horsemanship skills from her and let's not forget the importance Holly brings to that partnership....she worked for Gai, Chief, ask Holly if she agrees with you and your assassination of Gai and her Dad......London to a brick on she wont agree with you.

Chief, there is pressure and then there's pressure, you have to know how to apply that pressure, I'm sure Freda knows what I'm talking about. Some trainers burn them out because they can't identify the 'signals' the horse gives, I know first hand from what I saw, people that had never left the village telling me how to train 2yo....don't make me laugh. Benner wasn't taught by the Horse whisperer, he was taught by Karen Z........the other bloke has a great eye for a horse, but you think he could train them as well as young Benner can.......there's an art to training 2yo's, you can critique TJ and Gai, but I saw them with their 2yo's while I was with Angus August Armanasco, and those icons would run rings around these people today, I can't vouch for M Baker, he was a stablehand when I was an apprentice, apparently, but he sure kicked on......

First paragraph I see your thinking, as for Gai and TJ, nah, you're way off the mark there. I've been lucky enough to have seen at least 20 slippers, TJ, could train both stayers and sprinters, 2yo inc.......I was foreman for the greatest trainer of 2yo's ever Gus Armanasco, Gus could identify what could run early, and train them accordingly, 6 weeks from Paddock to post, no fucking around, the champions Gus produced were amazing, Gai too, she produced plenty of magic 2yo's inc Sebring of course that went on to be a champion stallion, as did Angus Armanasco, TJ had Toy Show and Bounding Away, both trained on to be great 3yo's........they trained 2yo's to be vastly different to what I witnessed in NZ......at Deacs we didn't have 2yo's, Deac never pushed em, even though we had so many Copenhagen's we didn't aim for for the 2yo races. Jim Didham had a few smart 2yo's, he trained them a little like the Aussies do, but remember, Jim grew up at W Farm in SYD when old Arthur trained there, Jim had his first race ride at W Farm.......the Aussies know how to train 2yo's, or they did as the new breed of young gun, is a very different animal. Johno Benner knows better than most Kiwi's how to train a 2yo.......and its not twice round on the sand like I saw.

I just think Chief there are talented horses not qualified, it's the same here for the MM.......a good race but not a Golden Slipper......no way Jose.........the Blue diamond is the same, to be fair I'm an anti Karaka fella, as you've guessed and as I've stated, a closed race shouldn't hold sway, the VOBIS series in VIC have several huge purses, and dominate the racedays, to see better performed horses home in their boxes shits me.......VOBIS used to be a recipe for mediocrity, it hasn't improved much with the exception Written Tycoon has improved VIC bloodstock no-end. It's also a Te Akau benefit mostly, it was good to see Birchley travel over and spoil the party, although he's now going to struggle with his return to training due to the ''I was too pissed to remember'' confession........shoot me, I'm rambling.

I'm backing Huey, what an average lot this mob are, if you did a free handicap it would be embarrassing.

Hardline for one, massive problems after that race and never reached his potential.

Absolutely and absolute common sense. Oh and good sound business acumen. Petone is bereft of both sadly.

If ever there an excuse for not subsidising it, it was this year, FFS, taking K500 off the core industry to prop up Vella and his sycophants is sickening, although the cartel are all for it of course......#otherpeoplesmoney.

AKA ''Everyone loves David''.

The comedy channel?

You couldn't make this shite up could you?

Wouldn't you think as an Aussie Bernard would have consulted his countrymen on the cock ups here? Pakenham is going to go the same way as Geelong, you wait, so will Ballarat, it makes me think, [dangerous] was there a little incentive somewhere along the line.

Not for racing Chief, that went the same way.

People flock to Blackpool for a reason, they have done so for 100 years, same as the coast, a blow-in from Oz wouldn't know that, but he should. I believe he's been to Warrnambool, or he should have, if so he should empathise. The resident Kiwi's have no excuse, the revenue's there, the enthusiasm is there, the passion is there, the crowds are there, but the brains trust are bereft of, well, brains......#letsallheadtoellerslie.

Knife at a gunfight, it's never ended well.

Exaggeration.

ffs, I'm about to put my head in the oven......

Can I ask a polite question? Bosson on a 6 figure retainer, when you're racing most of the time for less than 5K to the winner? Do Ellis's syndicate owners pay it? is it in the prospectus? I can see this coming up in the next release of 'Trivial Pursuit'............it's a real crowd stumper......if true.

And never will, the rumour is the Toowoomba boys are pissing themselves.....no one called them.

The storms are all around the Goldie, we've missed them so far, the hail is like bricks, hail cover on!

Is that a trick question?

Otaki Mafia!

Why don't they talk anymore?

Yep, a mate strapped Grosvenor, he was Murph's foreman, he's got a bite mark to prove you're correct!

There is a problem with sons of Savabeel....if they were worth anything, don't you think Waikato Stud would be standing one? But no, people more interested in shoving them off to Hong Kong...because they're worth more money... I don't believe the majority have good temperaments...and thats why they're gelded... The only value I see is owning a Savabeel nom and selling the progeny.... Newhaven are not big players these days...and perhaps it suits them to stand a stallion like him...plenty of breed to race people in southern NSW...and with BOBS bonuses it might work out well.