Gammalite

Yes , I have to retract that Chief, you are quite right and some of the cases you put on the thread from a lot of fine horsepeople would be mistakes and/or accidental administration. I know of one protracted saga involving a local Trainer Darrell Graham , who got a year from unknown source for Cobalt.

Form Horse Trainer Other Eng. Driver Class Hcp 1 424s1 THE BLACK PRINCE NZ Roy Roots Jnr Robert Morris NR120 FR1 2 24134 IGNATIUS Todd Rattray James Rattray NR120 FR2 3 11193 ONE CHANGE NZ (Em 2) Vicki Rasmussen Menangl 06/03/2021 Shane Graham NR120 FR- 4 21811 EXPENSIVE EGO Belinda McCarthy David Moran NR97 FR3 5 92122 ALTA ORLANDO NZ Belinda McCarthy Chris Alford NR120 FR4 6 11131 KING OF SWING NZ Belinda McCarthy Luke McCarthy NR120 FR5 7 13411 WOLF STRIDE A M Butt, S L Smith Anthony Butt NR120 FR6 8 26773 MACH SHARD NZ (Em 1) Belinda McCarthy Menangl 06/03/2021 John McCarthy NR100 FR- 9 10252 OUT TO PLAY Clayton Tonkin Greg Sugars NR120 FR7 10 32141 STYLISH MEMPHIS NZ Mark Jones Jack Trainor NR120 FR8 I cannot believe the McCarthy's have put on 2 of their MAIN opposition drivers on this week for the Miracle Mile. Alford (driving for Emma Stewart mostly with good horses) and Moran (driving Lochinvar Art to kick McCarthy brains in mostly) ENGAGED to DRIVE?????? They are kidding, Bad enough the Fraudulant 'Belinda' Bit in the training to 'protect' poor Lukey. Now they slap their stable reinsman in the face with a GIANT wet Fish. poor LEONARD CAIN. been winning heaps of races for them too. young reinsman Jack Trainer good enough to get a drive . GO Stylish Memphis !!!!! for NZ and Anthony Butt is Man enough to put his training Partner on the training ticket with him (Sonya Smith) GO Ant's !!!! and Wolf Stride. !!! for NZ I'll never support McCarthy's again !!!! hope Ego and Orlando run last and second last. don't deserve any better. Com'on Anthony !!! Com'on Jack Trainer (for Mark Jones) run the Quinella !!!!!!!

Yes, He got someone elses 'Order' apparently , from the great feed mixing company. that was lucky. (or unlucky)

Haha! yes you could run 3rd if luck on your side but from the draws you would think Copy That and Christianshavtime would be filling two of the three place spots

There goes Karrots $1 down the gurgler . Check out the ONE draw in that race? Do you have faith in it? sitting Pat on the favourites back?

Could Inca become involved and penalise these sheep to get results?

$1 ?? the pressure is on !! traditionally could of turned to ALLstars (like the NZ cup trifecta) but that has gone out the window...... mmmmmm any 50-1 tips Karrots ????? hahahaha

A great idea Galah, some positive media with a Personality is the answer. Karrots had lots of positive ideas to gather ownership and media support. Whether Chief likes it or not (because of expense) Inca helped show they are doing 'something' to keep the industry clean and cheats are penalised. Still a great day out for folk all over NZ and OZ because we have great horseman/women and lead the world nearly with some of the finest stock bred for racing on the planet. Now that the champion Mark P has stood down to a degree , after being like Clyde Barrow (from Bonnie and Clyde) and being the 'Bad guy' taking everyone's money, and machine gunned down lol..... more people can get some cake slices !!!!!!

Yeah I know what you mean. I'm very reluctant to use names myself , UNLESS convicted so are proven guilty. Many trainers 'retired' in QLD rather than get caught, some like S HUNTER , and A Donahue continued to cheat , and were caught and disqualified (on more than one occasion). Hey this thread has suddenly made me work out why everyone in world thinks harness racing is 'Cheats on Seats ' OMG !!!!!!!!!

Who are these three trainers Hunter? A thousand stables were 'milkshaking ' in the nineties , gallop and trot, and until the limits and testing was refined to be accurate and LIMITS set, many horses were winning with a good 'guzzle' all over NZ and Oz. without it , many trainers 'Gave up ' and quite a few just went and did something else, (all six leading stables in QLD were affected at the time, when Milkshakes were out-ruled) those that persisted ?? were caught and disqualified. Even to this very day , you will find the odd disqualification each month or two with a elevated CO2 . fools.

Cobalt is a very 'tricky' one , and very current , some Disqualified , some not (esp Thoroughbred) I can't say any of this List by Noodlum are mistakes . The horses are given something 'deliberately' as a way of making them feel good, look good, go good......... (and be near winning all going well) whether feed, inject or tube drench the trainer should know EVERYTHING that is going into that horse. It is his/her responsibility to KNOW the LIMITS> personally I think a few of the positives are 'Internal Sabotage' from disgruntled staff , at larger operations. Waller has had problems with this, with large amounts of staff. He also had 4 horses disqualified for Positives from contaminated feed. (the feed company was blamed for the error??????) and he got off. Why doesn't everyone just say that then ?

Not the first time either Noodles ! For an Interdominion FINAL in NZ. back in your day (Noodlum winning in the early 70's ) Newmarket wants 30 years (here's 50 years for him) 1971 Juniors Image (full of Caffiene at Addington in the final , burst clear 600m out and held on to win) DISQUALIFIED 5 days later , and Phil Coulson (a WA hall of famer with 1000 wins given 7 years DQ , a massive record penalty at the time.

Name: Whippy, Forbury, Gammalite, Retarded driver Date: 2020-21 Offence: Multiple BOAY indiscretions Drug Identified: Whippy (unknown substance) Gammalite (broke the testing machine) Forbury/Retarded driver (angry pills) Penalty: Looking like a goose or Pillock amongst your peers on BOAY.

I do agree with Galah that 'some' have 'Erred in their ways' , but may of learned from it and mended their ways. (hopefully) and now be training in a reputable manner. I do agree with Newmarket that some are 'repeat ' offenders and were always looking to Cheat with performance enhancing products. I named a couple of Aussie ones in Webberley and Hunter. I don't agree that people can just pop names on the 'GOOD GUYS' list without knowing How they treat their horses in 'All reality', and say others are not treating horses Honestly , and can't be on list. (JUST because they win the Most) lol....... I can't name anyone in that case lol.......

I did see it that way , as Newmarket downvoted my selections of Mark + Nat, Robert+ John Dunn early in thread. Apologies for dragging Te Akau into it. Mr McGrath sounds like a sad situation from what you say. Godspeed to him. Mark Purdon whom I know, is a fabulous bloke, a fine horseman , a good person too, and his dad Roy MBE , he is a legend.! I'm not surprised at the GOOD results. I think worthy of being on this thread list just as as much as any Battler. In Fact , you have summed it up perfectly up above, and Fully agree with this opinion of yours. sounds 'Spot on' to me.

It would be naive to think that horses are not going around without 'professional ' help. The line is crossed when traces of a substances are able to be determined 'excessive' according to the rules of the sport. Cobalt, bicarb CO2 levels spring to mind causing much angst around the place. McGrath a Convicted , disqualified for 8 YEARS NO LESS Cheat , SO I can name him as such. (so I did) Newmarkets accusations that Allstars , Dunns or TeAkau are Not good people and are NOT honest and NOT worthy of his list here, (even with no convictions) is just awful really . (Bagging your champions) They run multi million dollar operations from being SKILLFUL , not cheats, and risking it all for a poppy seed morphine thing Jamie Richards ? ??no chance. you are a smart person Galah (and Newmarket) and could pull some names out of DISQUALIFIED folk in NZ for using dodgey enhancers. I could list 100 in Aus if you wan't but what's the point. Webberley(tas), Hunter(qld) spring to mind, and are DQ so I can name them as cheats. They have been caught and disqualified many times each, over the years for example, trying to keep up. Hunter won a couple of NZ cups with an old washed up Tasmanian( like myself .lol......... ) early this century, now that should of been checked by your swabs team, BUT until convicted, MY VIEW is you're a GOOD ,honest horseperson and Congrats on any win , whether it be Avantage, Self Assured, Amazing Dream or Aveross Spitfire.

Fair enough, I did see the Dunn's copped a fine and had 3-4 horses disqualified for Caffiene at Nelson in 2018. They swear they were nobbled so guess that takes them off your list for honesty. Why everyone thinks these large operations like ALLSTARS, DUNN's and TE AKAU , etc, are 'risking' Positives , is a bit of mystery to me. More likely NOT TO BE in my opinion, great set-ups ,pre-racing training, great riders/drivers, farriers , vets, STOCK and Horseman and women. and a huge operation to look after. Is FAR MORE LIKELY for someone on your Battlers list to 'Try something dodgy" to KEEP up , if you ask me.

Mate you can downvote me if you want above, for answering your question , just because you do not agree, I'm saying disqualified Trainers are your 'dodgey' ones , my list up above you want to downvote, is of your Champion Ones , who by definition are the GOOD GUYS who lead the premiership tables . so more than good guys they are the CHAMPIONS. !!! and they are honest professional horsemen (and women) hardly deserving of demeaning with not being honest. AND just as likely as Anyone else, they could be pissed off running against convicted cheats like McGrath. ANYWAY I think they are all GOOD GUYS IMO , so get Downvoting (everyone doesn't have to have your opinion)

Beach training does help a lot of horses to relax and enjoy life. Helps people too ! recommended. It was only a field of NON WINNERS so why can't he win like that? , moderate 59.2 last half mile. The second Placegetter today, hadn't been closer than 7TH in it's 7 runs prior to date? so No world beater, good enough to beat the rest of the mob today though.

Mark Purdon and Nat, Robert Dunn and John, Cran D... and anyone else that was having to compete against the convicted cheat Nigel McGrath?

Lot less weight to haul lol...? like an Apprentice claim

Did they put Blinkers on him today Chief?

Persistancy and Determination , a true NZ quality that many at BOAY show through all the threads !! I thought at times BOAY supporters here were 'On the Spitfires side" Chief was thinking of even a punt once !!?? more than those doubters Not , (Gammalite was skeptical) so BOAY have pushed him to victory !!!(along with some other helpers like Johnny Cox) Well done BOAY !!! (oh ......and well done spitfire)

Not hard to pick which flying filly/mare is plastered all over Chief's living room walls. I went for Kolding in this , but got left 'out in the cold' alright ,by a verry hot Verry elleegant. She's a superstar.

What horse is Brodster In?